Escapist's Own Andy Chalk Called-Out By Game Heroes.

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k-ossuburb

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You all must remember this video [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107628-Fox-News-Says-Bulletstorm-Could-Make-You-a-Rapist] where they effectively call him out on it.

"....We've got this person Andy Chalk, who apparently has made a similarly racy title by saying that Fox News says that Bullet Storm could make you a rapist."

"Now, Andy, you just quoted exactly what the new rape scenario scene said video games could...",

"Videogames not Bullet Storm. Not Fox News, but an expert on Fox News, on the Fox News website could encourage people to rape. But now, apparently, Andy has said that Fox news, it says, that Fox News said that Bullet Storm makes you a rapist. Which makes Andy a hypocrite, ignorant reporter because all you're doing in here, is chopping up a news story so that you can make it even more racy because you're playing on the fact that everybody on the internet loves to take stabs at Fox News. So what we're not going to do, we're not going to attack The Escapist, because maybe they didn't see you publish this piece-of-shit article. You know what? Maybe they said this guy; "woooo, he is a god amongst columnists, he can publish whatever he wants and nobody has anything to say about it. So, of course, what he's done is not included the original article, in a way he's misquoted an original article so that he can serve his own point."

"Well sure, and, you know, that's what's popular because people are really defensive when it comes to wanting to play their violent video games, because the government keeps trying to ban it so it makes the article look like he's defending video games, but actually I think he's doing the opposite, it's making it out to be worse than it is, so that people are more aware of, maybe, more violent situations which I guess if that's what you want your kid to see it works."

"And what's the deal attacking Bill O'Rielly, isn't sure where the moon came from? What does that have to do with anything? That doesn't have anything to do with this so clearly you hate Fox News, you have a computer, you have a forum and you have a lot of people willing to read about that so congratulations for pandering you idiot. Hey Andy why don't you be a real man and write a real article? You know what? If you got a problem with it, you can e-mail me, but you know what I say? SMOKE YOU!"

So, what do you think? Do you think these guys are right in criticizing the critic? Or do you think this is just an attack out of spite?

Some of the stuff they said I tend to agree with (to a fashion, that is), but I know what The Escapist stands for (or at least tries to) and that's having video games viewed as legitimately and fairly as any other medium. I can't speak for Andy since I don't know personally, but I'm pretty sure Andy has at least an idea of what this sites positions are on certain topics.

Sure, Andy may have dropped the ball on this one, but I think there was far too much spite in the Game Heroes rebuttal for me to take it seriously. It does sound a little too mean-spirited in places (especially near the end), like when they question a pretty tame joke about Bill O'Rielly's ignorance on simple astronomy. Maybe that joke should have been best left out, but I don't see what difference that would make overall.

So, what do you think? Do you agree with these guys or do you think they're just talking out of their sphincters?

MINOR EDIT: First off, there's a few grammatical errors in here that I'm trying to catch. Secondly, I'm trying to sound as unbiased as possible in this, I thought I better mention that now because I've been known for not being entirely clear. I think that my opinion here is meaningless but yours is not so I'm a lot more interested in hearing your feelings towards this than my gut-reaction.

But if you're interested: I think these guys are being way too mean on ol' Andy. Fox News has a bad reputation for a reason, and when the Game Heroes mentioned their position on gun laws it has lead me to believe that there is a strict bias here and maybe this is less about the article or the game and more about The Left VS The Right, but that's just me.
 

Legion

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This thread has already been done I am sorry to say. I would post a link but I cannot seem to find the thread. It may have been deleted...
 

Agayek

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k-ossuburb said:
I'd say that they have a valid point, insofar as it wasn't actually Faux News but an outside expert who claimed that Bulletstorm is a rape-trainer, but other than that, not really. Even then, by posting, and thus implicitly supporting, the opinion of said expert, Fox News really did open themselves to catching flak for it.

That's really the only part of their whole rant that has any merit. Everything else is just them ranting because someone on the internet doesn't agree with them.
 

Cherry Cola

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I shall congratulamate these Game Heroes people.

Oh wait, no, they are on Blistered Thumbs. Blistered Thumbs is a thousand times more retarded than Andy Chalk could ever hope to be. They receive no congratulamations.
 

TheDrunkNinja

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The article was particularly popular, getting more than 700 replies. When I saw the title when it was first posted, the terms "generalization" and "pandering" did come to mind, especially after reading the imposing article, but it didn't really strike me as anything wrong in a journalistic sense. However, I have to admit, when it comes down to it, Andy did exactly what Fox is best known for: pandering, taking things out of context. It's certainly a hypocritical move given the subject matter. Think back to how Fox had blown up the sex scene in the first Mass Effect as "an interactive sexual experience being sold to children" despite the fact that it was actually a 30 second clip in an M-rated game that could be shown in any television series without fear of censorship. It really is unnerving that such similarities can be seen between an expert at Fox News and one of our own here on the Escapist, but that is exactly what has happened.

The best thing that can be done is a public apology for the misinformed news story, not to Fox News mind you. To us, for bending the truth of the matter to suit certain agendas. We shouldn't do that here. We're better than this. I'm sure Andy knows that and will quite agree that action should be taken to resolve this mistake. No one should really blame him for it, but he should at least clarify the situation.
 

Andy Chalk

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Here's the thing, dudes - and I explained this in the original thread but I don't mind repeating here, briefly. The Fox News article was pure, unadulterated bullshit. The anti-gaming side of the argument was presented by "experts," psychologists and authors and so forth, while the pro-gaming side was presented by Hal Halpin - a guy who quite clearly has a vested interest in supporting the game industry. Is that balanced? Why does the anti-gaming side get "experts" while the pro-gaming side gets a guy who's essentially employed by the industry?

Other sites, particularly Rock Paper Shotgun, have already utterly demolished Lieberman's position and evidence, so I won't even get into that here except to mention that she's one of the more obvious and repulsive media whores I've run into in recent years.

Fox gets the blame for saying "games cause rape" because it provided a platform for this kind of nonsense. It sought out Lieberman and the rest, it got them to say idiotic things (probably not much work required there) and then it spread them all over the net, in the guise of news. That's on them. They bear the responsibility for that, and I called them out on it. Is that unfair? I don't think so, and I'm not about to give Fox credit for presenting both sides of the issue when it quite obviously did not do so.
 

Sacman

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Hubilub said:
I shall congratulamate these Game Heroes people.

Oh wait, no, they are on Blistered Thumbs. Blistered Thumbs is a thousand times more retarded than Andy Chalk could ever hope to be. They receive no congratulamations.
Oh Hai There, when did you get back? haven't seen you around since like October...

OT: It seems to appear that I also agree with the above persons post...
 

Souplex

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People pay attention to Game Heroes? I thought we just treated them as a joke since their themepark did't have blackjack and hookers as promised.
 

Cherry Cola

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Then I guess we can directly blame ESC for all the stupid shit that's been said on the forums over the years.

After all, they gave them the platform!
 

mjc0961

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k-ossuburb said:
Or do you think this is just an attack out of spite?
That. Fox News purposely posted what that woman said, and twisted the words of other people they interviewed, in order for their story to say that games cause rape as well. So Fox News and that other woman both said it.
 

Jaeriko

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Andy Chalk said:
...Why does the anti-gaming side get "experts" while the pro-gaming side gets a guy who's essentially employed by the industry?....
As far as I can tell, said "expert" is also up for employment for anyone(I assume employment to mean, in this context, "Repeatedly use studies that don't show what you think they show to base entire report on and then be condescending to those who call you out on it") and practically flaunts the fact that she will find a way to support your argument if you hire her (from what I have read anyways, perhaps I read her quotes out of context or something)

EDIT: How hilarious would it be if a gaming industry representative hired her and she had to refute everything she just said about video game violence?
 
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If Fox News took the claims of anyone, and put them up into a report as fact, then they are in support of the claim, unless they are using it to specifically take down an argument.

Fox News did claim that videogames could make you a rapist, because they deliberately went out to find someone who would back up their claim, you don't find people like that and put their view forward unless you support that view, and any claims to the contrary is taking a belief in the impartial nature of the media to such a staggeringly stupid level it makes me wonder if Game Heroes in fact have any knowledge of persuasive writing.

EDIT: Also, let's not be unfair here, they criticise Andy for not using the whole article, so you really should quote their entire video where they make ridiculous points about the law and handguns in relation to videogames, hurting their own point about impartial reporting. When you're going to quote someone who's wrong, as they so rightly pointed out, you should quote the entirety of their wrongness.

If Andy Chalk is a hypocrite reporter, these guys aren't even reporters, they are an absolute joke, and I suddenly remember why I don't watch their videos on TGWTG
 

Logan Westbrook

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I find it very interesting that those two call Andy out for cherry picking sections of an article to prove his point by - surprise, surprise - cherry picking sections of an article to prove their point.

If people want to criticize what the Escapist's news team does, that's fine - as long as it's constructive and fair. At no point did they address the fact that the Fox News article was filled with misinformation and fear mongering, nor they they acknowledge Andy's efforts to correct the mistakes that Fox News had made. Instead, they just went straight to name-calling and the "pandering" they claim to dislike so much.
 

Pilkingtube

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While anything I want to add has already been said, I feel that I should add my support for Andy Chalk in the face of such stupidity.

As such, Andy Chalk is a stud, stfu.
 

Andy Chalk

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Hubilub said:
Then I guess we can directly blame ESC for all the stupid shit that's been said on the forums over the years.
There's a big difference between providing an open mic and actively soliciting an opinion that will support your own views.