Explain how "malevolant" the Lovecraftian gods/deities/demons are?
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Im no Cthulu expert, but Im gonna say shit anyways.
From my understanding, a big part of Cthulu is incomprehension. Beings we as humans cannot comprehend, who do not obey our rules of reality and morality. I would not be surprised if they aren't malevolent, since that is putting it into our terms as people. I mean, most of them are so powerful that couldn't many of them just destroy everything? Some may be destructive, or evil by our standards, but think about us and say, bugs or animals. We kill them, destroy them, mess with their reality constantly. Sometimes it is out of evil and cruelty, sometimes necessity, sometimes something else. Who knows what people are understood to be by bugs, because we are so alien to each other. I imagine its something like that.
But again...I could be talking out of my ass.
From my understanding, a big part of Cthulu is incomprehension. Beings we as humans cannot comprehend, who do not obey our rules of reality and morality. I would not be surprised if they aren't malevolent, since that is putting it into our terms as people. I mean, most of them are so powerful that couldn't many of them just destroy everything? Some may be destructive, or evil by our standards, but think about us and say, bugs or animals. We kill them, destroy them, mess with their reality constantly. Sometimes it is out of evil and cruelty, sometimes necessity, sometimes something else. Who knows what people are understood to be by bugs, because we are so alien to each other. I imagine its something like that.
But again...I could be talking out of my ass.
Cthulhu could wreck the entire world on his own, or at least so I'm led to understand - that's the lower end of the scale.
Yog-Sothoth could wreck our universe - that's the upper end of the scale.
Neither of them are malevolent, however; to them, we are no more significant than a fruitfly. When Cthulhu kills all of humanity, that's the equivalent of you getting rid of the wasps that moved into your summer home while you were away - no malevolence, you're just not a welcome presence.
Yog-Sothoth could wreck our universe - that's the upper end of the scale.
Neither of them are malevolent, however; to them, we are no more significant than a fruitfly. When Cthulhu kills all of humanity, that's the equivalent of you getting rid of the wasps that moved into your summer home while you were away - no malevolence, you're just not a welcome presence.
Saelune is correct, most of them aren't interested in humanity at all. Sometimes they don't even notice humanity, because humanity is totally unimportant.
As such, calling them "deities" isn't really accurate, they've not interested in being worshiped. Cthullu started cults dedicated to it, by not consciously, its dreaming mind affected various people across the world.
As to what they can actually do...generally it's really bad, but unspecified, and their existence is supposed to be scary enough.
Nyarlothep (sp?) is an exception, it actively interacts with humans, and is powerful enough to get called a deity. Usually it's one or the other.
As such, calling them "deities" isn't really accurate, they've not interested in being worshiped. Cthullu started cults dedicated to it, by not consciously, its dreaming mind affected various people across the world.
As to what they can actually do...generally it's really bad, but unspecified, and their existence is supposed to be scary enough.
Nyarlothep (sp?) is an exception, it actively interacts with humans, and is powerful enough to get called a deity. Usually it's one or the other.
After checking a Villains Wiki, I found Azathoth, also known as the "Blind Idiot God" http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Azathoth. All of existence as we know it was created unconsciously by him (it?) in his dreams as he slumbers. The lesser beings create a maddening drone to keep him asleep. He is not malevolent, but if he wakes up for even a moment, our reality vanishes forever. Earth, the universe, Cthulu and others of his ilk... Everything.Samtemdo8 said:
That sounds like the worst possible thing any of them could do, unless there is something worse than universal oblivion.
They are not malevolent, not by our standards, they just are. They are forces of nature on a cosmic scale, most of them can drive people insane and cause havoc in our world just by being there (no ill intention needed). Some are like animals and are barely rational (by our standards) but extremely dangerous nonetheless, others have their own agenda that is as insurmountable to us as it would be to an ant to comprehend human society.
No, Azathoth is the top end of the scale, Yog would actually have to act to destroy the universe, Azathoth would destroy the universe by becoming aware there was a universe to begin with.Mangod said:
You're giving humanity both undue consideration and undue power, wasps can sting after all. To Cthulhu, wiping out humanity would be more akin to dusting. When was the last time you even considered the microscopic critter living in the dust while you were dusting? That is how utterly insignificant humanity is in the scale of things to Lovecraft.Mangod said:
The Old Ones and the Outer Gods aren't malevolent, we're just that far beneath their notice. Nyarlathotep being a notable exception.
Funny, Lovecraft's own gods are barely malevolant, where all the other Eldtrich gods I know are straight up evil and want to kill everything, "looks at Warcraft":
Apocalypse in the 90s X-Men cartoon put it best. "I am not malevolent. I simply am." A lot of the Lovecraft Great Old Ones and outer gods fuck things up simply by existing, they're that powerful and alien. None of them are really malevolent though.
....well, except one. Nyarlathotep. Not the strongest of the Outer Gods, but certainly up there being the "heart and soul" of the Outer Gods. Most of the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods function on morality completely different from human morality. Nyarlathotep, on the other hand, actually understands human morality, and he utilizes that the way a child with a magnifying glass utilizes his knowledge of ants. To torment. Not for any grand reason, mainly for shits and giggles.
....well, except one. Nyarlathotep. Not the strongest of the Outer Gods, but certainly up there being the "heart and soul" of the Outer Gods. Most of the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods function on morality completely different from human morality. Nyarlathotep, on the other hand, actually understands human morality, and he utilizes that the way a child with a magnifying glass utilizes his knowledge of ants. To torment. Not for any grand reason, mainly for shits and giggles.
Yeah, as far as I can tell, ol' Nara and Dagon are the only "gods" who actively fuck with humanity. The rest just tend to hang about, not caring that sharing what they know about the true fundumental underpinnings of the universe causes humans to go mad and mutate. Cthulhu tends to give out lavish (to us) gifts of power and gold just to make sure his alarm clock functions properly. The Hounds of Tindalos hunt people down who manage to travel through time. The Mi-Go are positively benevolent, willing to cart scientists around the solar system via brain jars. Think if all the sanity blasting information you'd find out there! They're really doing our best and brightest a favor.
Like everyone says, the Lovecraftian gods are chill as fuck and couldn't care less about anything, especially a bunch of hairless apes going around with Tommy guns and fedoras. Its like you getting super pissed at that new ant colony in Swaziland moving ten feet from one rotting tree trunk to another rotting tree trunk.
Now as far as actual power, its not clear. Some are little more than trolls who just like fucking with people's minds. Others are so primordial and ancient it'd be easier to just list what they can't do. And that's a short list.
Now as far as actual power, its not clear. Some are little more than trolls who just like fucking with people's minds. Others are so primordial and ancient it'd be easier to just list what they can't do. And that's a short list.
Firstly, Cthulhu isn't an eldtrich god. He's just a fat bloated high priest of an alien species.
Anyhou, they aren't really malevolent.
It's just...well, we're nothing to them. You kill microbes and similar lifeforms every day in your every day stuff. Do you hate them? Insult them? Justify your ending of their existence. Hell no.
As pointed out, the Crawling Chaos is the only one who acknowledges us to mess with us directly, but we're not his enemies so much as we're his entertainment.
Anyhou, they aren't really malevolent.
It's just...well, we're nothing to them. You kill microbes and similar lifeforms every day in your every day stuff. Do you hate them? Insult them? Justify your ending of their existence. Hell no.
As pointed out, the Crawling Chaos is the only one who acknowledges us to mess with us directly, but we're not his enemies so much as we're his entertainment.
Nyarlethotep is the most malevolent of the Lovecraftian Horrors, as he actively interacts with Humanity, and almost always for the worse. Hastur (The Unspeakable One, originally from The King In Yellow) becomes the worst in Post-Lovecraft Lovecraftian Horror novels, but those aren't really canon. The other Dieties usually don't care about Humans at all, although a few may or may not notice them.
Power wise, I think it would indeed go to Azathoth, who's existence we are dependent upon so long as it sleeps. The moment it wakes up, we all simply vanish out of existence.
Power wise, I think it would indeed go to Azathoth, who's existence we are dependent upon so long as it sleeps. The moment it wakes up, we all simply vanish out of existence.
That's because Lovecraft wanted to write Cosmic Horror. To him it was horror to know that something that was much more powerful than you wanted to eat your still living body, but it was even more terrifying to imagine that that powerful being simply didn't care about you or humanity. That no matter what you or humanity achieved it would not warrant more thought from that being than the thought we pay to the hundreds of worms and bugs that die when we decide to blast holes to build a new apartment complex.Samtemdo8 said:
The Elder Gods are meant to be scary because they are both powerful beyond human reckoning and totally oblivious to humanity.
So to use a metaphor, A Lovecraftian God is like a Hurricane, Volcano, Earthquake, and Tidal Wave?Gethsemani said:
They are such horrifyingly powerful forces of nature that really does not care about anything in thier way or not, even humans.
More or less, with the added insult that at least some of them could comprehend humanity if they wanted to, they just don't see any reason to bother.Samtemdo8 said:
There are plenty of very powerful and more conventionally malevolent monsters in Lovecraft, though even those tend to be amoral rather than immoral.
Great Old Ones provoke mass extinctions or even destroy entire planets upon their awakening or by their mere presence. They aren't malevolent, as their intentions are beyond human compression. Arguably, the malevolent ones are the people and creatures that actively try to awake them or invoke them.
*Cracks knuckles*
Okay, here we go.
The Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods are in a very long sort of conflict to basically control the entire universe, or destroy it, or cause as much chaos and madness within it as possible to the point of no recovery. This varies from creature to creature. Individually, their machinations are beyond the scope of mortal man. Collectively, even your flowchart might warp while trying to understand it all. The point to remember is that we're actually a very small and vulnerable part of this conflict. The universe is a very big place and we're just one of the skirmish zones.
Now, to be more specific on the part of the big bads and what they're capable of (to us and each other and to the cosmos at large), I will explain.
There are a number of Great Old Ones that go on like some of the above. I'm going to move on to the Outer God types now.
NOTE: Above music is for another tremendously horribly powerful being, but it sets the mood.
In the center of all creation lies Azathoth. He may have created the universe, or the universe may have created him. We're not sure. The only thing we're certain of is that he is power. LOTS of power.
Completely indestructible. Any physical appearance he has can only be driven or lured away, never destroyed. He only goes back to his place of being once thwarted. Why? Because he is regenerating and spawning at a rate so high, existing on levels that are unsound dimensionally, that we literally just don't have the firepower to end him. SUNS don't have the firepower to get him. Black holes would merely displace him.
He sits in his place of being, perpetually swaying to a tune of lunacy that is played endlessly in his realm, all of which probably came into being by instinct, because he has no mind. Azathoth is all-powerful, but never-seeing and never-thinking. The only thing stopping him from willing galactic destruction is that he never considered it, ever, or anything.
No, he just instinctively has wants and needs, so he formed Nyarlathotep - all-powerful and self-loathing - without thinking, damning much of the cosmos as is. Demon Sultan Azathoth cares not, and knows not what 'cares not' even means. He sits there and he endlessly spawns many MANY spawns, sometimes eating them out of instinct.
His many spawns orbit him like satellites, each powerful in their own right, though many are just as thoughtless as he is, total monsters. It is unclear if the intelligent ones - they happen sometimes - went on to become Great Old Ones and Outer Gods or not. Thinking ones are dangerous, because apart from being powerful, Nyarlathotep MUST SERVE THEM.
Every book on the subject states clearly that nobody seeks out the power or understanding of Azathoth without being COMPLETELY insane and, in all likelyhood, wanting to destroy the universe. You have been warned.
I hope that clears up some of the doomifying nature of the bastards. Good day!
Okay, here we go.
The Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods are in a very long sort of conflict to basically control the entire universe, or destroy it, or cause as much chaos and madness within it as possible to the point of no recovery. This varies from creature to creature. Individually, their machinations are beyond the scope of mortal man. Collectively, even your flowchart might warp while trying to understand it all. The point to remember is that we're actually a very small and vulnerable part of this conflict. The universe is a very big place and we're just one of the skirmish zones.
Now, to be more specific on the part of the big bads and what they're capable of (to us and each other and to the cosmos at large), I will explain.
Cthulhu is - first of all - both the lord of R'lyeh and all its Star Spawn, but the boss of Dagon and Hydra. So, all your fishmen and Deep Ones working under the sea for that seaborn cult are ultimately in league with the squidfaces. In terms of servitor power, quite alot is going on here, and that's just at the cultist/monster level. It is also known that at somepoint AFTER the Elder Things lost control of their city, Cthulhu's group managed to gain control of Shoggoths, those huge shapeshiftings blobs. These and all Star Spawn are active even with Cthulhu himself is not. In terms of an army, there is nothing at sea that they cannot touch, and only really tough nations could resist them in modern day conflict, provided the insanity of seeing things beyond what the mind can properly process does not get to them.
Cthulhu himself is massive, possibly more massive than even a kaiju. He is both psychic and hugely powerful, to the point where he can touch any mind on Earth and crush anything in his path. Presumably, he can also fly, which means that this giant bulk and move through the air, displacing air to the point of knocking anything nearby right out of it because of the physics involved alone. Of course, there is also a great deal of just blatent magic that the Big C can perform as well. First and foremost: Weather control. It's always storming like hell or horrible in general whenever R'lyeh surfaces. Stands to reason Cthulhu makes it murky, which means that you almost can't approach him unless he's come to you, and practically destroyed everything in his path to get there.
Point is, on any day when Cthulhu or his forces gets in motion, we bite the big one and he moves on to the next world, leaving everything in a state of destruction with gibbering or crazy cultish insanity.
Cthulhu himself is massive, possibly more massive than even a kaiju. He is both psychic and hugely powerful, to the point where he can touch any mind on Earth and crush anything in his path. Presumably, he can also fly, which means that this giant bulk and move through the air, displacing air to the point of knocking anything nearby right out of it because of the physics involved alone. Of course, there is also a great deal of just blatent magic that the Big C can perform as well. First and foremost: Weather control. It's always storming like hell or horrible in general whenever R'lyeh surfaces. Stands to reason Cthulhu makes it murky, which means that you almost can't approach him unless he's come to you, and practically destroyed everything in his path to get there.
Point is, on any day when Cthulhu or his forces gets in motion, we bite the big one and he moves on to the next world, leaving everything in a state of destruction with gibbering or crazy cultish insanity.
I'm putting these three together because they have similar attributes. They're all formless, shapeless beings of different types with somewhat similar abilities...mostly. Abhoth is an amorphous mass which will consume everything that it can envelope without question. Nyogtha is basically made of shadow and will consume everything in darkness if given half a chance. Ubbo-Sathla is somewhat different, but also a consumer of life. Actually, they seem to be great sources OF primordeal life, but they will spawn as well as consume pretty much by instinct, eat anything that moves, basically.
Ubbo-Sathla specifically has some more unusual existence. He's supposedly the source of ALL life on Earth, and is very likely the original source for Shoggoths, as he gives birth to a series of spawns that are kind of like primitive and feral Shoggoths. So, that should give you some idea of HIS power. Apart from being an immortal blob, apparently you can't get too close to him, even through scrying or other means of viewing, because it will actually pull you back to its source, further and further back in development until you are primordeal soup to return to The Unbegotten Source.
All life hat makes contact with these three are generally doomed.
Ubbo-Sathla specifically has some more unusual existence. He's supposedly the source of ALL life on Earth, and is very likely the original source for Shoggoths, as he gives birth to a series of spawns that are kind of like primitive and feral Shoggoths. So, that should give you some idea of HIS power. Apart from being an immortal blob, apparently you can't get too close to him, even through scrying or other means of viewing, because it will actually pull you back to its source, further and further back in development until you are primordeal soup to return to The Unbegotten Source.
All life hat makes contact with these three are generally doomed.
PUTTING ASIDE all jokes and references to Old Man Henderson for a moment, Hastur is major rival to Cthulhu. The King in Yellow is somewhat more spacefaring than Great C, a giant horrible destructive psychic squid-octopoid in his own right, but while he doesn't seem to have the same staring power on Earth, he does seem to have alot going on from Aldebaron. First off, he DOES have cults on Earth that can come and go as they please by Byakhee, who can travel IN SPACE without trouble. Yes, there are creatures who magically act as space travel without harm, and Hastur and others have complete access, something we're not able to do yet despite all technology.
Apart from who works for the guy, he himself is pretty crazy. He can make you insane AND he can possess you, expanding your body into a horrible monstrosity that is pretty hard to stop without significant firepower. So, if he can do that to you by pushing part of himself into a human being, what's that say about the guy himself? He's got impressive reach, to say nothing of the least.
Apart from who works for the guy, he himself is pretty crazy. He can make you insane AND he can possess you, expanding your body into a horrible monstrosity that is pretty hard to stop without significant firepower. So, if he can do that to you by pushing part of himself into a human being, what's that say about the guy himself? He's got impressive reach, to say nothing of the least.
Personal favorite of mine, Atlach-Nacha is an immortal spider working tirelessly beneath the Earth. Like all Great Old Ones, you would find it exceedingly hard to permanently kill him, but he isn't focused on killing or battling in order to claim the Earth or any other place. He's making a web. He's making a web, away from all prying eyes, to ensnare the Earth. Once it is complete, there is...some debate on what will happen. In my opinion, it will immediately pull Earth into the Dreamlands - a place of Gugs and Shantaks and other dream-like horrors - and become the dominion of Leng, where his spider-kin will feast upon humanity. Basically, whatever Nacha gets in his web, he keeps...forever.
There are a number of Great Old Ones that go on like some of the above. I'm going to move on to the Outer God types now.
The nature of Daoloth is highly mysterious. It's not really known if he's malevolent or just his way by nature. He has no cult, so people don' in general learn much about him. He is a gathering of what looks like disharmonious parts and machinery and materials all in an ever-shifting mass that you cannot determine how far or near there are, relative to your position. Daoloth is, in fact, dimensionally unsound and is appearing to you from angles of the universe that M.C. Ecsher might appreciate or cringe at. As he approaches, the area will be struck by, surrounded in, destroyed by, or engulfed in his many rods, spinning parts, and collection of unknown materials until whatever he has come across simply becomes part of the whole...and is gone. All space is in danger at his passing.
Most definitely culted on Earth and other places, Shub herself can be massively destructive and horrible to every living thing, culture, construct, and so on. But...she doesn't usually bother unless you make her MAD. Through her insane cults, all of whom are probably beyond saving if they've seen her, she tends to bring down her young. Her many young. Her size-of-frigging-redwoods young. They're numerous and endless in number. It just takes time to bring them in. here's no doubt she wants to cover every world in her young and overwhelm the universe at large with their kind. She can and she will.
Okay, right out of the bat, Yog is everywhere, and everywhen. Time has no meaning with him. He sees all, he knows all. He is connected to all of time and space, and if you so much as touch him, he can send you through it. Presumably, every measure of consuming or enveloping anything that he's ever done, every case of having some sort of spawn or cult on a living world to do his bidding and be an extension of his will, is to control all that exists according to his will, whatever that is. We can't know, because those who walk in eternity are bad enough. Those who ARE eternity cannot be read.
He's next to all-powerful, if not completely so.
He has a thousand forms and faces, or even more than that. He knows how to do anything and he has the power to bring it about. He has the command of many sorts of cultists and monstrous minions, and is extremely...dangerously...intelligent.
Nyarlathotep has it all. His one lament is that he is a slave.
Nyarlathotep came into being, somehow, as a creation or extension of Azathoth, the all-powerful. He has all that I have described and more, but he must serve to the mindless whims of the Seething Nuclear Chaos that birthed him and all of its spawns, no question. Mostly, none of them even know their own names, if they even HAVE nams. We can only guess what the intelligent Lesser Other Gods born of Azathoth's think, as we rarely hear from them. Nyarlathotep is both the greatest and the lowest, because he has to serve what he serves with all that he has.
So, given all that, he decided to make the universe suffer.
Why should he be put through misery alone? So, he organizes as many complicated machinations as possible to make the universe...more entertaining. He doesn't want to destroy or kill en masse PER SE, although it is likely that some of it amuses him, but rather he wants to watch the chaos unfold and unfold and keep unfolding as things get more and more disastrous as it goes on. The more manipulations go off, the more the hero goofs and the villain stumbles and the more out-of-control things occur, the happier he is.
Try to imagine Q from Star Trek with the gloves off. Hell, try to imagine John De Lancie putting all effort into being the cleverest, smarmiest, most arrogant and powerful being there ever was...only more-so, without holding back.
That's Nyarlathotep. You may gibber when ready.
He has a thousand forms and faces, or even more than that. He knows how to do anything and he has the power to bring it about. He has the command of many sorts of cultists and monstrous minions, and is extremely...dangerously...intelligent.
Nyarlathotep has it all. His one lament is that he is a slave.
Nyarlathotep came into being, somehow, as a creation or extension of Azathoth, the all-powerful. He has all that I have described and more, but he must serve to the mindless whims of the Seething Nuclear Chaos that birthed him and all of its spawns, no question. Mostly, none of them even know their own names, if they even HAVE nams. We can only guess what the intelligent Lesser Other Gods born of Azathoth's think, as we rarely hear from them. Nyarlathotep is both the greatest and the lowest, because he has to serve what he serves with all that he has.
So, given all that, he decided to make the universe suffer.
Why should he be put through misery alone? So, he organizes as many complicated machinations as possible to make the universe...more entertaining. He doesn't want to destroy or kill en masse PER SE, although it is likely that some of it amuses him, but rather he wants to watch the chaos unfold and unfold and keep unfolding as things get more and more disastrous as it goes on. The more manipulations go off, the more the hero goofs and the villain stumbles and the more out-of-control things occur, the happier he is.
Try to imagine Q from Star Trek with the gloves off. Hell, try to imagine John De Lancie putting all effort into being the cleverest, smarmiest, most arrogant and powerful being there ever was...only more-so, without holding back.
That's Nyarlathotep. You may gibber when ready.
NOTE: Above music is for another tremendously horribly powerful being, but it sets the mood.
In the center of all creation lies Azathoth. He may have created the universe, or the universe may have created him. We're not sure. The only thing we're certain of is that he is power. LOTS of power.
Completely indestructible. Any physical appearance he has can only be driven or lured away, never destroyed. He only goes back to his place of being once thwarted. Why? Because he is regenerating and spawning at a rate so high, existing on levels that are unsound dimensionally, that we literally just don't have the firepower to end him. SUNS don't have the firepower to get him. Black holes would merely displace him.
He sits in his place of being, perpetually swaying to a tune of lunacy that is played endlessly in his realm, all of which probably came into being by instinct, because he has no mind. Azathoth is all-powerful, but never-seeing and never-thinking. The only thing stopping him from willing galactic destruction is that he never considered it, ever, or anything.
No, he just instinctively has wants and needs, so he formed Nyarlathotep - all-powerful and self-loathing - without thinking, damning much of the cosmos as is. Demon Sultan Azathoth cares not, and knows not what 'cares not' even means. He sits there and he endlessly spawns many MANY spawns, sometimes eating them out of instinct.
His many spawns orbit him like satellites, each powerful in their own right, though many are just as thoughtless as he is, total monsters. It is unclear if the intelligent ones - they happen sometimes - went on to become Great Old Ones and Outer Gods or not. Thinking ones are dangerous, because apart from being powerful, Nyarlathotep MUST SERVE THEM.
Every book on the subject states clearly that nobody seeks out the power or understanding of Azathoth without being COMPLETELY insane and, in all likelyhood, wanting to destroy the universe. You have been warned.
I hope that clears up some of the doomifying nature of the bastards. Good day!
Basically chiming in to affirm that, among the dieties of Lovecraft's creation, their relationship to humanity was one where man's existence is best summed up as insignificant. Some of these stories have human agents interfering with these being's plans (like The Shadow Over Innsmouth), but Cthulhu, Dagon and several other entities are, technically, not 'gods', like Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth, or Shub-Niggurath.
August Derleth classified the entities in different categories, as have other writers since (even some of Lovecraft's own writings are contradictory). I'd say that the original concepts of Lovecraft's stories were of beings "too big to be evil".
As to what is the worst they can do? Well... Cthulhu was able to warp the minds of the sensitive and artistic simply by being brought closer to the surface by seismic activity while lying dead and dreaming in his tomb city. Dagon and Hydra both have been actively corrupting stagnant populations of humans for centuries. But the greater entities? Azathoth is the primal source of the universe as we know it, and is kept sleeping/placated by blind idiot piping god-things. Yog Sothoth is supposedly coterminous with all time and space, and at the same time is hedged out of our reality. So, some really powerful entities here.
August Derleth classified the entities in different categories, as have other writers since (even some of Lovecraft's own writings are contradictory). I'd say that the original concepts of Lovecraft's stories were of beings "too big to be evil".
As to what is the worst they can do? Well... Cthulhu was able to warp the minds of the sensitive and artistic simply by being brought closer to the surface by seismic activity while lying dead and dreaming in his tomb city. Dagon and Hydra both have been actively corrupting stagnant populations of humans for centuries. But the greater entities? Azathoth is the primal source of the universe as we know it, and is kept sleeping/placated by blind idiot piping god-things. Yog Sothoth is supposedly coterminous with all time and space, and at the same time is hedged out of our reality. So, some really powerful entities here.
I think Schadrach put it best actually. All of humanity are a spot of dust on a window sill, and the Old Gods are going to use a featherduster on it. They're going to wipe out our entire species, and they're not even gonna realise that's what they're doing - they're just cleaning away a speck of dust.Samtemdo8 said: