Explain to me why/how the NAACP and La Raza are not considered "hate organizations".

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Arsen

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Simple as that. Tell me how supporting one race for the sake of benefit is no different than withholding a benefit from someone.

I am not going to sit here and pretend that everyone under the sun that is born with African skin in America is immediately a victim. There is a difference between racism and opportunity to declare racism.

Also, the members of La Raza actually attempt to affirm that many portions of Texas and California naturally belong to them, despite the fact that many "Hispanics" never technically lived in Texas or California in the first place. Plus they openly encourage breaking the law by illegal entry as well as any action deemed respectable in their own eyes. Can they stop calling themselves Spanish already? It's an insult to Spain.
 

chronobreak

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Well, anybody that advocates illegal activity, such as border crossing, should absolutely be considered a criminal, but I don't see a hate crime behind it. Being behind one set of people and not behind another isn't hate, if you aren't actively out to get everyone else, or at least have it proven.
 

UltraParanoia

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They aren't considered hate organizations because the members aren't white.

I wish that was just me being a cynical asshole, or at the very least an eensy bit racist.
But it's the truth.

As far as I can tell, the biggest racists in America are all "minorities*", not the honkies.

* I have that in quotes because I don't really go by national numbers when I think of stuff like that, I go by local numbers. Where I live blacks are a minority, 15 minutes down the road, not so much.
 

2012 Wont Happen

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UltraParanoia said:
They aren't considered hate organizations because the members aren't white.

I wish that was just me being a cynical asshole, or at the very least an eensy bit racist.
But it's the truth.

As far as I can tell, the biggest racists in America are all "minorities*", not the honkies.
us honkies can't be racist. Its not good to be racist anyway- so I'm glad that its not exceptable for us to be racist. However, I find it unfortunate that discrimination (I will NOT call it "reverse discrimination" because that is a meaningless fucking term) is acceptable when it is whites being discriminated against for the sake of a "minority" (hispanics are given special treatment here in TX even though they outnumber us now)

To quote a song that everyone knows and I can't be bothered to look up the authoring artist:

Why caaaan't we be friends...
 

Btoken

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This thread is silly. If you really need further debate after doing a few minutes of research, you are a freaking moron.
 

FluffyNeurosis

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I think the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was fine back in the day but now it seems to be less about getting equality and more about getting whatever they can for black people. I bet La Raza would catch a lot less flak for being a racist organization if they didn?t decide to name themselves the national council of the race. It?s the fact that these groups seek to advance the agenda of one race over another that sits poorly with me? the least they could do is try and be like the ACLU and be an equal opportunity complainer.
 

UltraParanoia

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
UltraParanoia said:
* I have that in quotes because I don't really go by national numbers when I think of stuff like that, I go by local numbers. Where I live blacks are a minority, 15 minutes down the road, not so much.
In defining a minority, you shouldn't go by numbers at all: you should go by power.

The British Royal Family is a very, very small in number relative to the population of the UK, but I wouldn't call them a 'minority'...
Well, If I went by power, my method would still be the correct one.
 

2012 Wont Happen

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
2012 Wont Happen said:
UltraParanoia said:
They aren't considered hate organizations because the members aren't white.

I wish that was just me being a cynical asshole, or at the very least an eensy bit racist.
But it's the truth.

As far as I can tell, the biggest racists in America are all "minorities*", not the honkies.
us honkies can't be racist. Its not good to be racist anyway- so I'm glad that its not exceptable for us to be racist. However, I find it unfortunate that discrimination (I will NOT call it "reverse discrimination" because that is a meaningless fucking term) is acceptable when it is whites being discriminated against for the sake of a "minority" (hispanics are given special treatment here in TX even though they outnumber us now)
"special treatment" does not necessarily mean "(reverse) discrimination." What kind of treatment are you talking about?

You need to show how that "special treatment" isn't just discrimination, but illegitimate discrimination for your point to be valid.
There is no such thing as legitimate discrimination. However, for the sake of argument, I will assume such to exist and prove what I am talking about to be illegitimate discrimination.

For example:

In fire departments (and other civil service) across the nation, people are more and more being hired not on skill- but on race. Let me give you a more specific example. My dad is a fire chief Austin, Texas and was head of training at the following time. In the training academy- if you fail three essential skills, you're supposed to be fired from the academy. However, a black cadet failed three and the city made a special permission for him to stay because they needed more black fire fighters.

That was a few years ago. It's only gotten worse now. The city tried to renegotiate a contract with them recently, and demanded that they be given special permission to hire anyone for any reason. They did this so that they could hire minorities without regard to qualifications. In exchange, they offered a pay raise. Now, I've grown up knowing the firefighters of the Austin Fire Department. They are all for diversity in the workforce. However, they also know that if somebody is hired due to a race based decision, rather than one based on a rigorous testing and training program, that it puts civilians, other firefighters, and the person them self in danger. So it was voted down.

Such rules, if allowed to be enacted are racist in all degrees. They are racist in the sense that whites do not have a fair chance of being employed if minorities are given special preference. Furthermore, it is racist in that it patronizes the minorities themselves and implies that they could not get the jobs without special treatment. People of all races are perfectly capable of being hired on an even playing field. Special treatment accomplishes nothing but to further separate us as a society.

I love the idea of diversity and equality. I am an economic socialist, and a civil libertarian. I do not believe in oppression. However, I see this brand of racism, that people inaccurately describe as "reverse discrimination" infecting the institutions of our society and it saddens me.

The great Martin Luther King Jr. said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

He did not say "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will be given a job because they are minorities."

And with that long winded response, I bid you good day, and good night (I'm going to sleep)
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
FluffyNeurosis said:
I think the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was fine back in the day but now it seems to be less about getting equality and more about getting whatever they can for black people.
The chariman of the NAACP recently made the statement: "I believe gay rights are civil rights"

Oh yeah he is really stepping up to the plate there. Saying gay rights are civil rights at a gay rights dinner. Ill appreciate it when he puts his ass on the line and calls out Obama for not ending don?t ask don?t tell like he promised he would. The NAACP has usually not supported gay marriage or tied to stay neutral on the issue because most blacks(the group the NAACP works for) oppose it. http://people-press.org/report/553/same-sex-marriage