Failure "All the cool kids are doing it."

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Throughout my school life I have been surrounded by people I'm sure many of us would affectionately refer to as "idiots". Almost every day I am amazed by just how unintelligent someone can be. People who are in their last year of nationally mandated education and yet have no idea what the Soviet Union was much less the Cold War. People who never knew that Japan was a major power in the Second World War, or that there was even a First World War. There is even one person in my Political Science class who doesn't even know his ABCs, and yet has ended up sitting next to me in a class that is part of my school's College Preparatory Program. People like this are a nickel a score at my school and tend to annoy the hell out of me. But the one thing I find admirable about some of these people is that they actually try, even though they might not succeed in their endeavor.

In the last few years though I have seen this particularly dim flock begin to thin and have begun noticing a new trend of willfully failing classes growing in my school, as well as other schools as far as I can tell from my social interactions with other people both online and in reality.

Yes. Students who willfully tell their future to fuck right off and fail all of their scheduled classes, all while trying to maintain the status of "the cool kid", as if repeating the same grade and classes over and over again is somehow consider cool by any stretch of the imagination. I'm sure almost all of us in high school at the time have either seen, know, or befriended one of these people. The kind of kid who sits in the back with their cellphone texting all class period then comes up with a bullshit excuse for not being able to turn in their homework they swore they did, or if they have the gall, will outright curse out the teacher knowing they can't do very much about it. From the classes I have been in over the last few years I hove noticed almost all of these people have a gangster mentality and view school more or less as force labor camp or a place meant exclusively to hang out with similar minded friends.

I am aware this trend has existed as long as school or much less civilization as a whole, but it has exploded form just a small percentage of students to an alarmingly large portion the past few years. In a modern day world where jobs are scarce and students in one country have to compete for even the most menial jobs with people with more degrees and better education from a country on the other side of the world, education and skills are key. What's worse is that a lot of these people will find jobs in their life and still have this same attitude towards work. It's because of this that hard working people like me have to serve an increasingly large line of impatient customers while they text in a corner and contribute very little to the workplace.

I don't claim to know the causes of this trend, but I do have my theories. Regardless of the cause, I do not believe that many will disagree with me that this is indeed a major problem in modern day society.

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Booze Zombie

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I dropped out of school at 12 because I couldn't handle the social side of things and then floundered as social workers scrambled to figure out how to "deal with me".

I wish I could've put up with school, I wish I had stayed to be properly educated, but I didn't.
I just wanted to learn whilst ignoring people, but I had to put up with them, it crushed my soul, I couldn't handle it.

I hope that doesn't make me "a cool kid".

Regardless, I can't understand "normal people" wanting to dick around and not be educated.
I wanted to be educated, I just couldn't handle being social.

It really baffles me.
 

Death on Trapezoids

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Like you said, this ailment has been with society since, well, its beginning.
What you're seeing is the slow destruction of natural selection by modern medicine beginning to take effect.
 

Angryman101

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This is highly subjective. It really depends where you live.
In the school that I attended, I was honestly getting annoyed with the people around me because they were so focused on getting into a good college that they never had any time to spend enjoying themselves. There were one or two kids that didn't try very hard, sure, but aside from the intelligent slackers like myself, the rest of the school was constantly overachieving in every single facet of scholastic life to the point where it was almost obsessive.
 

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I don't know why failing and being an asshole is popular now. Talking back to the teacher and make the class laugh? at what cost? failing the class and making it that much harder to get a job. If they don't have the papers that say they at least got out of highschool, then they are going to have a hard time getting and holding a job

I have no patients for them, I do my work so I can get a good job and live a happy life. I have .a self declared no social life. I don't go to party or dances, or very rarely hang out with my friend on weekends. Why? Because I want to get through highschool, then collage, and if I'm lucky, medschool. And I'm not going to be able to do that if I goof off and fail all my classes.
 

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Thats weird... my class won an award for being the smartest in our school grouping. Not only that we probably 15 valedictorians and I believe 20+ salutatorians. This was my public high school. We did kinda suck at sports, but our XC, swimming and girls track team kicked ass.

I can remember a single instances where any of your example of stupid students that appeared in our school.
 

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Being one of those intelligent slackers, i never much cared for school. I found it easy and boring, and i never held it against anyone who didnt give a crap either. I graduated with a 4.0... to many of my peers anger... like being top in my AP class all while never reading a chapter of thier stupid ass book, suck on that education system... but honestly some kids just dont have the foresight to think ahead. dont worry about them, they sure dont.

EDIT: And anyone who thinks you cant have a social life to be successful. I want you to know that who you know is just as if not more important than what you know. Its sad really, there has to be a line somewhere between work and play. Otherwise you'll be working through school, working through college, working through your work, and then working to dig your grave. Whatever, happiness is different for everyone i guess.
 

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I just have the satisfaction of knowing that ten years from now, I'll have a steady good paying job, a wife, .5 kids, etc. while they're living paycheck to paycheck attempting to support 3 baby-mommas.
 

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Booze Zombie said:
I dropped out of school at 12 because I couldn't handle the social side of things and then floundered as social workers scrambled to figure out how to "deal with me".

I wish I could've put up with school, I wish I had stayed to be properly educated, but I didn't.
I just wanted to learn whilst ignoring people, but I had to put up with them, it crushed my soul, I couldn't handle it.

I hope that doesn't make me "a cool kid".
Wait, are you receiving alternative education, so you can still do something with your life?

Because if not... then a lot of job opportunities have just closed for you.
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My English class is the worst offender of what the OP stated.

Luckily though, most of the riff raff go to the Applied level courses, not Academic.
 

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im going to say this as a person that has been at the bottom of his classes since the beginning

The problem with schools is that there not doing anything about it the teacher's will teach but they can only help the one's who want help thease kids who are failing school because they can wouldent survive in the original education system which they need to bring back its the only way kids that are trying are actualy going to get anywhere because the teacher respects that where if a kid that dosent do anything would the STICK ..
You also have to remember how they learn i myself am an active learner which means i have to be doing something that interest me or involves movement not what the state set out.

i think this make's some seance
 

Poomanchu745

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Shit, im working my ass off in my last semester of college to keep my GPA up over 3.5 and not let it drop even though it probably really wont matter. But in this shitty job market I need every advantage I can get an if it means a 3.55 instead of 3.49 then well, I gotta do what i gotta do.

People shitting their life away is a funny way to end up flipping burgers and wondering why you don't date the hot girl any more.
 

Wadders

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I guess some of those people just don't consider themselves cut out for compulsory education, which is fair enough. The world needs builders plumbers, practically skilled people in general.

The people you talk about tend to dissapear at college/ university, because the only people in class are people who want to be there, or have payed to be there. My advice is to let the "cool kids" get along with it. Pay them no heed.

But then there are just those who are plain lazy. I'm afaid I'm becoming one of those people you talk about. I've somehow made it to University, and I am both overwhelmed and intimidated by the amount of work required, and the willingness of some people to do it. I feel like a complete goon here sometimes, because my own insufficient knowledge is dwarfed by the knowledge of those who have fully committed themselves to their degree, rather than drinking, shagging and sleeping.

I guess it just comes down to the fact that's it's easier to enjoy yourself, have fun and dick around, than commit yourself to your education.

The majority of that post was Entirely off topic. Very sorry, had to get it off my chest.
 

Master Kuja

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This is a trend that I've honestly tried to get my head round before, but try as I might, I can never truly grasp why someone would possibly think it's cool to systematically fuck up your education and all chances of having at least a half decent life and career.
There's one incident of this that I discovered recently that frustrated me so much.

One kid from my old school, he was one of those "sit at the back of class and text all lesson" sorts, he was the kid that backchatted the teacher, swore at them, never did work in class and never did any of the homework either. On top of that, he bullied people, regularly started fights, frequently came in either drunk or stoned and yet last week, I discovered that he somehow managed to get accepted to mother fucking Oxford University.

Explain that one to me would you? How is it that someone who did sweet fuck all in the course of their education, failing most of their exams, manages to get into somewhere as prestigious and demanding as Oxford? It's beyond me...
 

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I hate to send the wrong impression, it's all very vindicating to believe that the cool kids who avoid doing their homework aren't going to amount of anything, but that sure hasn't been my experience on the job market.

On the contrary, it seems that the jobs don't go to people who are intelligent so much as people who have the contacts to get jobs. In other words, they're good at schmoozing. Who are the schmoozing masters? That's right: the cool kids.

And when they grow up, they become your dumbass pointy-haired boss.


And if you're really smart and have great grades, nobody employs you because they're terrified you'll take their job. Heaven help you [http://www.nocklebeast.net/Links/native/massyreport.html] if you took the time to earn a doctorate!

Yay, New Economy!
 

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Who cares? Sure it pisses me off when they disrupt the class with their BS, but it IS their life, let them fuck it up as they wish. Their "gangster" posing does make me die a little inside, but most people agree with me, it just makes THEM look like dumb-asses. So people (like my brother) manage to pass school with decent grades and no effort. I am jealous, as I work my ass off for only slightly better grades, but some people are just lucky.

P.S. Since when have "cool kids" been good role models? They're usually brainless jocks or people who try to act like "gangstas".
 

DanDeFool

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Booze Zombie said:
I dropped out of school at 12 because I couldn't handle the social side of things and then floundered as social workers scrambled to figure out how to "deal with me".

I wish I could've put up with school, I wish I had stayed to be properly educated, but I didn't.
I just wanted to learn whilst ignoring people, but I had to put up with them, it crushed my soul, I couldn't handle it.

I hope that doesn't make me "a cool kid".
Nope, I think that makes you a nerd.

I was a nerd too, but I didn't really have a problem ignoring people at my school (or with them ignoring me, rather) as long as I remembered to keep clean and dress well. It got a lot easier after I finished the stupid mandatory PE credits I had to take. Plus I was able to endear myself to people with the occasional memorable or snarky comment. Most people saw me as more of an amusing curiosity than a target for bullying.

OT: The problem with these kids is that their parents either don't care or are unable, for whatever reason, to impress upon them the value of education and the importance of doing well in school, getting a high-school diploma, and some kind of college degree or vocational training. My parents kicking my ass and driving the education point home was really the only reason I did so well in school. Of course, I have a very agreeable personality and have always been the type who listens to his parents, so it's not like I gave them a hard time of it. I know it's different when your kid is a gang banger who threatens you with a knife or a gun every time you try to discipline them.
 

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the only thing I hate most is those slackers here got Jobs, I'm still job hunting 14 months later and I'm the one with Certificates, degrees and good marks. If your thinking of moving to Australia, DONT.

EDIT: and every employer are all Generation-ists to Gen Y these days. Useless old geezers...
 

DanDeFool

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geldonyetich said:
I hate to send the wrong impression, it's all very vindicating to believe that the cool kids who avoid doing their homework aren't going to amount of anything, but that sure hasn't been my experience on the job market.

On the contrary, it seems that the jobs don't go to people who are intelligent so much as people who have the contacts to get jobs. In other words, they're good at schmoozing. Who are the schmoozing masters? That's right: the cool kids.

And when they grow up, they become your dumbass pointy-haired boss.


And if you're really smart and have great grades, nobody employs you because they're terrified you'll take their job. Heaven help you [http://www.nocklebeast.net/Links/native/massyreport.html] if you took the time to earn a doctorate!

Yay, New Economy!
Yeah, this too. Listen to Brian Tracy or pretty much any self-help or business guru and they'll tell you that people are paid about 80% on their interpersonal skills and 20% on their intelligence.

That's why I don't like listening to those materials much. It gets kind of irritating being told over and over the things you're actually good at don't really count.