Farming....no not that kind

[DK412]

I sometimes get my head in a twist trying to work out the morals of killing animals to eat.

Firstly I start by going "I hate that animals have to be raised specifically to be killed, it doesn't seem fair on them that they've been unlucky enough to be used by us" but then I begin to think about the fact that we're omnivores, and have to eat meat (I know the possibility of not doing so is out there, but I do like meat..) and looking at the way animals die in the wild, i.e. get caught and eaten alive, which is worse? Cause when they're eaten in the wild I spose that's nature at work, they get caught, and eaten, if they're not eaten then the lion etc may die; whereas on the side that they are kept in captivity to be killed at some point and then eaten, they are a product, nothing more nothing less, but they die humanely (if there is such a thing). So why do I feel so morally confused on this issue? It's one of those issues where you know you can do nothing about it, but are sure you should feel something towards it....I know it's a particularly off topic....topic, but I wondered what you guys think

 

[thylasos]

That's a lovely bringing up the possibility of vegetarianism, expressing your moral qualms about eating meat from the modern farming system, then dismissing these things on the grounds of taste or laziness. Sorry to bring it up, but I see it all the time.

I don't accuse you of being a horrible person, it's probably a qauandry most people find themselves in at some stage of their lives, what with the varying socieatal norms in terms of eating meat or different types of meat. (I.e. Dog, for omnivores, would you eat it? If not, what makes it different from other animals, if you didn't have a bond with the one you're eating?).

People find it tough to make the leap to vegetarianism or veganism, for various reasons, and I'll just say that if you've got qualms about animal-rearing and slaughter, then consider more ethically raised meat, or less of it, if you're not willing to cut it out completely.
Educate yourself a bit more, and and see what you're comfortable with.




Post-script:

Yes, I'm a vegetarian, and I have been for nine years. This is the side of the argument I speak form whilst trying not to intimidate people or provoke the inevitable reaction when people feel that I'm judging them for their dietary choices.

I don't do that. Unless you're a hypocrite. But then moral hypocrisy is fairly commonly considered... an unsympathetic trait, let's say.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Do you know how many millions of insects and small critters are killed by farming equipment every year? Just because we stop eating meat, it doesn't mean we suddenly stop killing animals.

Animals in the wild live live a cold and hungry life, and will most likely die a very painful death.

Cattle have it better than most animals ever will.

I'm all for having high standards of care for the animals we ultimately eat, but I don't think it's something we should stop doing.


I want a cow to live a happy life before I eat it.

 

[senordesol]

Hey, it's nature at work for us too. We're just more efficient about it.

I do find that animals that have been raised more-or-less 'free range' tend to taste better (depending on prep, of course). Kobe Beef is insanely delicious.

 

[lRookiel]

I think meat is awesome and I have no issues with eating it.

LETS GET STUCK IN LADS

Ahem... It's summer after all...

>.>
<.<


Anyway, meat is delicious and I shall continue to munch on it.

You people repulse me.... (kidding, do what ya like :3)

OT: I'm veggie due to the fact I was raised that way, and I realise I don't actually care if I am vegetarian, if I wanted to eat meat, I would, but I haven't ever had it, nor will I for many many years to come, I like the substitutes anyway, Quorn is delicious.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I think meat is awesome and I have no issues with eating it.

LETS GET STUCK IN LADS

Ahem... It's summer after all...

>.>
<.<


Anyway, meat is delicious and I shall continue to munch on it.

You people repulse me.... (kidding, do what ya like :3)

OT: I'm veggie due to the fact I was raised that way, and I realise I don't actually care if I am vegetarian, if I wanted to eat meat, I would, but I haven't ever had it, nor will I for many many years to come, I like the substitutes anyway, Quorn is delicious.

One of my friends is vegetarian, but she's the awesome kind.

You know, the kind who doesn't define her entire personality around the fact she's vegetarian?

Also, I once tried one of her sandwiches that had chicken flavoured quorn slices on it.

Pretty damn tasty actually, although the texture was a little off...

 

[DK412]

I'm well aware that I'll probably criss-cross from one side to the other on how I view it, but that's the whole point, I'm not sure how to feel on it, I want to eat meat but I could never kill the animal myself, as with many conversational land mines (politics/religion and otherwise) I find it a lot easier to be willingly ignorant, although I know that's a widely disliked opinion to have.

 

[lRookiel]

I think meat is awesome and I have no issues with eating it.

LETS GET STUCK IN LADS

Ahem... It's summer after all...

>.>
<.<


Anyway, meat is delicious and I shall continue to munch on it.

You people repulse me.... (kidding, do what ya like :3)

OT: I'm veggie due to the fact I was raised that way, and I realise I don't actually care if I am vegetarian, if I wanted to eat meat, I would, but I haven't ever had it, nor will I for many many years to come, I like the substitutes anyway, Quorn is delicious.

One of my friends is vegetarian, but she's the awesome kind.

You know, the kind who doesn't define her entire personality around the fact she's vegetarian?

Also, I once tried one of her sandwiches that had chicken flavoured quorn slices on it.

Pretty damn tasty actually, although the texture was a little off...

I do hope you regard me in that sense as well, I'm not really one of the "Militant veggies" that give us normal veggies a bad rep. God damn crazies >.>

And by the way, try the Quorn peppered steaks if you ever get the chance, it's a tastegasm, with a better texture, I agree that the quorn slices can be a bit 'rough' sometimes.

 

[Leemaster777]

In my mind, there's nothing wrong with eating meat. Mankind has always killed other animals to survive. Other predators kill animals to survive. I see nothing wrong with it.

As to the subject of farming, I can sort of see why you might be opposed to the idea of it. But frankly, there's no other way. With the human population as large and spread-out as we are, hunting just will not cut it. Not only would we NEVER be able to sustain our population through meat gained by hunting, but we'd kill off existing populations of animal incredibly quick.

And, as Daystar said, animals raised in farms have much easier lives than those wild.

 

[Dags90]

It's a bit derpy to say "we have to eat meat" and then acknowledge in the same sentence that we actually don't have to, poor writing skills.

Until cows, chickens, pigs, or fish rise up and demand "Let my people go!", I'll continue eating them.

(I.e. Dog, for omnivores, would you eat it? If not, what makes it different from other animals, if you didn't have a bond with the one you're eating?).

I feel like dog would be super gamey. I'm kind of a wimp when it comes to meat, it can't have too much of its own flavor.

 

[Scrustle]

I eat meat and have no problem with the idea of animals being bred for nothing more than to be killed and eaten (circle of life and all that), but I don't like the idea than an animal has been put through unnecessary suffering. But when I think about it more I find that I don't really care.

Yeah, suffering is bad and I don't want to cause it, but I don't see any reason why the suffering of a farm animal should really matter to a human. Obviously everyone would want to prevent suffering of an animal that they have an emotional connection too, but that's only really because the animal makes us happy and provides companionship. But the human race would gain or lose nothing if certain farm animal X had a happy or sad life. They don't matter and I just can't bring myself to care. We've got far more immediate problems with our own species to worry about before anything resembling the suffering of a farm animal with have anything more than superficial importance.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I think meat is awesome and I have no issues with eating it.

LETS GET STUCK IN LADS

Ahem... It's summer after all...

>.>
<.<


Anyway, meat is delicious and I shall continue to munch on it.

You people repulse me.... (kidding, do what ya like :3)

OT: I'm veggie due to the fact I was raised that way, and I realise I don't actually care if I am vegetarian, if I wanted to eat meat, I would, but I haven't ever had it, nor will I for many many years to come, I like the substitutes anyway, Quorn is delicious.

One of my friends is vegetarian, but she's the awesome kind.

You know, the kind who doesn't define her entire personality around the fact she's vegetarian?

Also, I once tried one of her sandwiches that had chicken flavoured quorn slices on it.

Pretty damn tasty actually, although the texture was a little off...

I do hope you regard me in that sense as well, I'm not really one of the "Militant veggies" that give us normal veggies a bad rep. God damn crazies >.>

And by the way, try the Quorn peppered steaks if you ever get the chance, it's a tastegasm, with a better texture, I agree that the quorn fillets can be a bit 'rough' sometimes.

Hey, this is the first I've ever heard of your food preferences, so that's good news to me.

The kind of vegetarians I hate, drop it in conversations every opportunity they get.

 

[Hazy992]

All I'm getting from this is 'I think eating meat is morally questionable but fuck it because bacon'. If you carry on eating it simply because it's tasty then I seriously doubt it's bothering you that much.

 

[DK412]

Also, I am aware how many animals die every day for many, many, many reasons, and I'm aware they'll keep dying whether I eat them or not, so that changes nothing, but it is depressing, the same way that millions of people are evil wastes of air that spend each and every day of their lives ruining other peoples, that live happy lives till the day they die spreading their hate, though you know there's nothing you can do about that, perhaps it's more just when I think about topics such as this ^^ that I feel particularly helpless and realise how insignificant I am /woeisme.

But no I know posting things like this is normally an exercise in futility, simply cause there isn't really an answer for it, and the answers there are are personal more than anything, however sometimes it's nice to get peoples opinions on similar situations, or to just vent and write down things you can't fully understand,

/rant

 

[lRookiel]

I think meat is awesome and I have no issues with eating it.

LETS GET STUCK IN LADS

Ahem... It's summer after all...

>.>
<.<


Anyway, meat is delicious and I shall continue to munch on it.

You people repulse me.... (kidding, do what ya like :3)

OT: I'm veggie due to the fact I was raised that way, and I realise I don't actually care if I am vegetarian, if I wanted to eat meat, I would, but I haven't ever had it, nor will I for many many years to come, I like the substitutes anyway, Quorn is delicious.

One of my friends is vegetarian, but she's the awesome kind.

You know, the kind who doesn't define her entire personality around the fact she's vegetarian?

Also, I once tried one of her sandwiches that had chicken flavoured quorn slices on it.

Pretty damn tasty actually, although the texture was a little off...

I do hope you regard me in that sense as well, I'm not really one of the "Militant veggies" that give us normal veggies a bad rep. God damn crazies >.>

And by the way, try the Quorn peppered steaks if you ever get the chance, it's a tastegasm, with a better texture, I agree that the quorn fillets can be a bit 'rough' sometimes.

Hey, this is the first I've ever heard of your food preferences, so that's good news to me.

The kind of vegetarians I hate, drop it on conversations every opportunity they get.

Woohoo, I feel happy now, anyway break over. I shall inevitably return....

/Back to assignments (Already feeling sleepy with a hard day ahead of me after this sleepless night)

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Well, overall I'm of the opinion that, despite what Disney wants us to think, nature isn't nice. We shouldn't feel guilty that Bambi's mum is on our plate right now, because if it hadn't been us it probably would have been a wolf that got her the next day anyway. The circle of life is bloody and unpleasant, and humans are just as much a part of it as any other animal, so get used to it.

That said, while I eat meat because I see no reason why I should give up something that is in my instinct to do, I do not in any way condone necessary cruelty towards animals out of nothing but laziness or sadism. I'm against battery farming, against fur (unless you're an Inuit and fur is the only way you'll survive winter, that's ok) etc. As well as being very anti-waste when it comes to food. It really pisses me off when some whiny little brat tuns down a perfectly good cut of meat just because it's not what they're used to, meaning it most likely goes to waste, meaning we have to kill on a larger scale than should be necessary to feed everyone.

 

[ReadyAmyFire]

I think most people don't eat dog for the same reason we don't eat cat, wolf, bear, hawk, fox etc. Aren't prey species tastier, more tender? I've never eaten a predator species but I imagine the meat wouldn't be great.

Also, it's a hunters adage that one has to eat what they hunt, barring pest control.

 

[Hazy992]

Hey, this is the first I've ever heard of your food preferences, so that's good news to me.

The kind of vegetarians I hate, drop it in conversations every opportunity they get.

Like that stupid prick Onision who basically says meat eaters are murderers?

EDIT: Can't forget PETA!

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I think most people don't eat dog for the same reason we don't eat cat, wolf, bear, hawk, fox etc. Aren't prey species tastier, more tender? I've never eaten a predator species but I imagine the meat wouldn't be great.

Also, it's a hunters adage that one has to eat what they hunt, barring pest control.

Not just tastier, but also less dangerous.

You can eat red meat raw with very little worry about food poisoning.

Try doing that with a piece of raw tiger, and you'll probably get very ill, very quickly.