FFXII... why the hate?

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icypenguin117

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I've recently bought Final Fantasy 12 cheap as my friend suggested it to me, but while researching the game and the general opinion of the game... I found some sort of anomaly. Critics rated the game very high, but a lot of the FF fans hated the game. Saying it is the worst one of the series... Why is this? Is it because of the change of art style? Or no random encounters? The plot? I'm mystified why it generates so much hate.
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Citrus

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Critics rated the game very high because it is Final Fantasy - a big game from a big franchise, and you'll find that many reviewers are almost afraid not to give a high-profile game like that a high rating. Sometimes game reviews can be more political than genuine, unfortunately.

Everybody else hated it because it wasn't that great a game. The story was dull, the characters were dull, the gameplay was mediocre, etc. It's all opinion, of course, but I'm certainly not alone in thinking this.
 

Cabisco

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I don't know, but ever since 10 I had tried to avoid all the final fantasy games like a plague, then of course I got 13 and I've quite liked it. It's certainly not the same as the previous ones, but for me thats not a problem. As for 12, I couldn't tell you sadly but if it was because some of the changes from 10-13 happened in it it's likely an alright game.

I must add that was very hard to write because of an almost ADD obsession with your avatar i've got, it's a spacemarine AND a penguin. awesome.
 

Booze Zombie

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Final Fantasy 12 wasn't terrible, it just wasn't exceptional.
Still better than 10, though.

Also, it's got Fran and her ass in it.
 

FlyAwayAutumn

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I'm not familiar with FFXII or any such hate but I'm starting to hate these "Why the hate" threads at the very least people could stop using that phrase.

Edit: Actually I do have something helpful to add. It just wasn't a very good game. I remember seeing it and watching my bro play it. Even though I thought it looked like a good game I can see why it would be hated.
 

LeonLethality

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I think so much hate towards it came because it was different and if the internet has taught me anything it's that the majority of people hate change.

I honestly loved XII, great characters, great story and fantastic gameplay not to mention Ivalice is a brilliantly designed land and full of great scenery.
 

icypenguin117

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Admittedly I've only being playing FFXII for about an hour, but it doesn't seem as bad as some of FF fans are saying... but I have to agree, it's better than X :d
 

Thunderhorse31

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It definitely feels too MMO-like for me, a lot of the game feels like too much of a grind-fest while the story is mostly forgettable. I admit that I did like several of the characters (except Vahn should die in fire) and I did enjoy the hunts, but by the end most of it feels pointless.

I should mention that I played the game for 85 hours, so it's not like I only tried it for a day before giving up.
 

OtherSideofSky

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I've never played FFXII, but if Final Fantasy fans hate it I should probably give it a try (I think I probably dislike FF fans slightly more than nazis at the moment).
 

xXAsherahXx

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I loved XII to be honest, the story wasn't the most developed out there. The characters weren't too great. However, the gameplay was awesome. I don't like random encounters very much. It's alright at first but it just gets annoying after a while. I also liked the MMO aspects of it. The marks are a good addition to the game and it's nice that I don't have to follow the game at all times. I can take a break and do other stuff like level grind, go after marks, get money, capture summons etc.

So it is beyond me why people hate it so much.
 

Akihiko

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It depends what you enjoy.

As others said I thought it was too mmoish. Having played WoW for years, you get a bit bored of the style of quests. The story and characters ended up taking a back seat to all of this vast world, and consequently I didn't really like it.

On the otherhand, FFXIII is the complete opposite, and still has lots of hate. Fans are just never happy, apparently.
 

Cody211282

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I thought the plot, characters, battle system, and leveling system were all very bad. I had a hard time trying to justify to myself why I should spend time playing it, and well the elder wyrm gave me a damn good reason to stop.

Edit: also if I wanted to play a MMO by myself I would pick up WAR
 

Bat Vader

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I played Final Fantasy XII and I found it to be mediocre. The combat was what made me kinda annoyed at it. You had to wait to swing a weapon, you could not just swing it when you wanted to. The license system was kinda odd as well. I could understand having to train to use a sword really well but to wear a hat or something should not have required a license.

The story also felt kinda uninspired too. In my opinion it reminded me a bit of Star Wars.
 

Kinichie

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I liked Gambits, I liked Licenses and the new battle system was refreshingly different, especially since at the time I was always talking to myself about wanting "a 40 man Raid group I could completely control". World of Warcraft really made me enjoy Gambits because then at least if I died it was my fault instead of some Russian Priest.

I didn't like the characters or the story. They were boring as Hell. Actually made me lose interest because the characters were that bad. Vaan was the focus... but he wasn't even related to the main story in any way. He seemed to just be the guy that tagged along. Seemed to cater more to Ashe and Balthier and Basch (sp?) then Vaan. And I had such high hope for this game after how good Final Fantasy X was.
 

GundamSentinel

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I played FFXII for hundreds of hours. I loved it. I like the combat system, the setting and the story. Granted, some of the characters were atrocious, but when you're just roaming around leveling and exploring you don't notice. People hate it because it was different, that's all.
 

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Citrus Insanity said:
Critics rated the game very high because it is Final Fantasy - a big game from a big franchise, and you'll find that many reviewers are almost afraid not to give a high-profile game like that a high rating. Sometimes game reviews can be more political than genuine, unfortunately.
Except this is not true, otherwise the same critics would have rated Final Fantasy 13 highly, rather than the contraversies involving its rating.

And they'd have lauded Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles My Life as a King as the best game ever, only to be outdone by Final Fantasy Dissidia.

You need to read critical reviews past the score.

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Those that rated Final Fantasy 12 highly did so because of the more subtle story elements, the more mature storyline of a woman's revenge and her eventual abandonment of it for the sake of her kingdom, and as well the vast amount of exploration within the game. The battle system itself was compared favorably to such classics as Knights of the Old Republic, lauding its customizability, and the ability of the player to have as much control as they like.

It was seen as an experimental marriage of Japanese and American roleplaying game design philosophies.

Kinichie said:
I didn't like the characters or the story. They were boring as Hell. Actually made me lose interest because the characters were that bad. Vaan was the focus... but he wasn't even related to the main story in any way. He seemed to just be the guy that tagged along. Seemed to cater more to Ashe and Balthier and Basch (sp?) then Vaan. And I had such high hope for this game after how good Final Fantasy X was.
People who rated it poorly usually did so because they couldn't understand Vaan is not the main character, or that a story doesn't have to have more backs stabbed than a G.R.R. Martin novel (or FFTactics for that matter) to actually be mature and good.

Vaan's purpose is to go through the same conflict Ashe (the main character) does, to contain within him a need for revenge and hatred that must be expressed... but to find out in the end that it is futile, and that to do so would be fighting for the wrong cause. Vaan figures it out really early in the story, not long after he meets Basch, who he thought was responsible for the death of his brother. As it turns out, Basch was the victim of his brother, Gabranth, and by that point, Vaan has come to terms with his brother's death, and has decided to instead serve the greater good.

Ashe, on the other hand, is a widow who wants to avenge her husband, and her kingdom itself, who is being manipulated by the 'gods' to that extent, and has a lot more to lose. The stakes are higher, so the conflict burns for the entire story, until she rejects the Occuria's plan at the Suncryst.

Vaan is not the protagonist of the story, he's the point of view, being not knowledged of anything past Rabanastre's streets and underground, he's the perfect role to play the ignorant boy, so that we can be told the things going on in a less contrived fashion than, say, how information of the world is portrayed in Final Fantasy 7.

If the worst complaint you have of the story is that you figure the story was about Ashe and Basch and not Vaan, that's not the product of bad storytelling, that's the good storytelling trying to get past your own paradigm that the player's avatar must be the most important protagonist.
 

blankedboy

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There's a disturbingly high number of 'why the hate' threads...
I haven't played it, but 2, 3, and X were good enough, dunno why this one would be any different.
 

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Unpleasable Fanbase. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnpleasableFanbase]

They Changed It, Now It Sucks. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks]

It's The Same, Now It Sucks. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlezx89c5u5txaj?from=Main.ItIsTheSameNowItSucks]

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joshuaayt

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The love is because it's a Final Fantasy game.
The hate is because it's a Final Fantasy game.
I'm playing it as we speak, and I personally think it's awesome.