I have been working on a cipher (is that the right word?) So far my friends have not been able to decode it and of course since the internet has infinite awesome sauce it should be able to.
Q2+Q2+Q<2Q5Q>2Q<2+Q1Q>2Q>3Q1+Q1+Q1+Q5Q>2+Q>1Q>1+Q>2Q1+Q1+Q>2Q>2+Q>1
If you have any questions I may or may not answer them because it might give it away.
(Sorry if this is too off topic, this seemed like an appropriate forum)
EDIT: There was a mistake, when I copied the code from notepad it missed a small portion on the end. I have re checked it and it is now correct. all that was missing was the last Q>1 and an added plus symbol for some reason, real sorry about that I thought my checking skills were diligent enough
I'm not that good at ciphers but it is always fun to try. But before anything few things I would like to ask. Is it a single word or phrase? Is each symbol a letter? Or are there combinations of symbols to make letters? if the latter, how to know the difference? The process to reverse it is the same to encrypt it?(that last one is probably true, asymmetrical encryption is a lot harder to know, if not to do) Does the same symbol always represent the same letter or is it dependant on otehr factors? And maybe a larger samble size would eb useful.
I like puzzles and was trying to find a pattern or way to display the given for a clue to how to look at this.
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that a cipher would be the process of encoding. Cipher is to encryption like a key is to a lock. It depends on how you are using the word cipher: the cipher enables the encryption but your friends would be decoding the encryption -trying to figure out the cipher. Did you mean cypher? As in, its a rap and we need to jump in: "Queue less than four cue greater than... my ability to rhyme because I don't have a clue." (joke)
The plus signs make me think its twelve character; international phone number like in that movie (TV show[?]) where NSA had secret code in puzzle book and this savant kid dials the number before an adventure ensues!
Another way, breaking at the addition sign:
Q2+
Q2+
Q<2Q5Q>2Q<2+
Q1Q>2Q>3Q1+
Q1+
Q1+
Q5Q>2+
Q>1Q>1+
Q>2Q1+
Q1+
Q>2+
Q>1
The Q1+ repeating stands out.
Tried looking for a value in each part with the above, let Q=17, and apply (mod 26) after calculating each bit. The way that I set it up I got overflow on my handheld calc with the operators that I chose.
OP, did you double check that the given is written correctly? I really don't have a clue how to approach this but it seems interesting.
I made sure I double checked that is was "correct" after posting it I decoded it and it is correct. A few times in your breaking it down you got close to how it worked, keep it up.
I'm not that good at ciphers but it is always fun to try. But before anything few things I would like to ask. Is it a single word or phrase? Is each symbol a letter? Or are there combinations of symbols to make letters? if the latter, how to know the difference? The process to reverse it is the same to encrypt it?(that last one is probably true, asymmetrical encryption is a lot harder to know, if not to do) Does the same symbol always represent the same letter or is it dependant on otehr factors? And maybe a larger samble size would eb useful.
Yeah, I dont know the proper name for it. I use a series of steps to change a into something, then somthing again, then something again then I get the symbols above and it is a single sentence in English.
The plus signs make me think its twelve character; international phone number like in that movie (TV show[?]) where NSA had secret code in puzzle book and this savant kid dials the number before an adventure ensues!
Pluses as a separator is a good call, unless OP didn't encode them...but then the pluses are really out of place. But my bet is that pluses do mark boundries of some sort.
If we take the clusters with Q to be symbols, here is how the pattern looks like if they get converted to X-es
XX+XX+XXXXX+XXXXXX+XX+XX+XXX+XX+XXX+XX+X+X
making a total of 31 X-es.
However, this looks slightly odd as an English sentence - the two singular symbols at the end are a really odd construct. Given that the Q clusters don't have high numbers associated with them - they seem to go from 5 but a reasonable assumption would be that there could be more. Another reasonable assumption is that OP is not a bastard and has given us a non-skewed sample to work with, so taht we don't hit our heads against A Void or something. So with these assumptions, I suspect that while a construct such as Q>9 or something could be possible, but rarer, however they woldn't go really high.
Given the low numbers, I suspect this is not a straight encryption of characters. So, basically, not a Caeser cypher - it's likely the encoding is done on groups. However, again, the range of characters is low, in fact, too low, for this - even if characters are encoded in twos, the numbers we see should be higher. So I strongly suspect there is an intermediary step (or even more than one) between getting this output - something to reduce the initial input to a common set which is then encoded into these Q clusters we see here. And with that in mind, I still suspect that the plus signs are boundaries, but with an other cycles of encryption in mind, this means they might be boundries there or in the initial input. So we could have a twelve word sentence, with each word encoded into one or more Q cluster, or the result of the previous encryption.
Consideration - OP could have been a bastard but only slightly and ran two cycles of the same encryption on the initial input. This would give a possible explanation to why we see such low numbers in the output there - if encrypted again, the cipher would be working on a reduced set of characters as an input thus resulting in even more reduced number of characters as an output.
But that's it from me, I really don't feel like doing more work on this.
Ok. So you have 10 possible combinations of Qxn where x represents and n represents an integer from 1-5. The + seems to represent a space between words but that could be an intentional red herring or a result of some other process.
If you do convert each Qxn into a single number from 0-9, you get -
16 26 31963 256782 15 15 296 55 685 15 66 5
where Q<5 = 0 and Q>5 = 9
There are ots of 15s, so maybe that's something?
The most obvious solution would be that each instance of Qxn represents a letter in English, but there aren?t enough combinations even if you limit it to just consonants. It also doesn?t help if you limit it to consonant phonemes, although it could work if you limited it to consonants in a dialect with a very restricted phonemic inventory.*
As a linguist if I was to write a code I?d just say that each Q was a phoneme and each xn value represented a positive or negative for a certain phonological feature, and using this you could easily narrow it down to a particular phoneme from the 30ish that show up in English. But most codes are written by mathematicians, not linguists, so I?d be surprised if this is the case here.
So, as DoPo said, I?m guessing you?ve done something to narrow down the inputs.
Hmm.
I might have a look at this tomorrow. I can?t do math type stuff when I?m tired.
I had an arbitrary go at it. Changed how to look at it too.
Possible solutions:
"Um Milo so GAMES J MAFIOSO"
"GAUSS EMAILS IF MOJO MOMO"
more [http://boulter.com/anagram/?letters=M+J+U+M+A+I+L+E+I+G+M+S+S+F+A+O+O+M+S+O+O]
I had an arbitrary go at it. Changed how to look at it too.
Possible solutions:
"Um Milo so GAMES J MAFIOSO"
"GAUSS EMAILS IF MOJO MOMO"
more [http://boulter.com/anagram/?letters=M+J+U+M+A+I+L+E+I+G+M+S+S+F+A+O+O+M+S+O+O]
I was thinking "Have a nice day[.]" or "Hi[,] Hello World[.]" I don't know how many characters its supposed to be.
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Is a cyclic permutation a better way to approach it? Q is a starting letter in the alphabet and the inequalities determine a direction for the number moves?
I was thinking the (+) broke it up along the lines of:
(+4 -2)(+3 -2)(-2 +2 +4 -5 -2 +2)(+3 -1 -2 -3 +4 -1) (...)
"ON M MJ GK JIF JK"
"On Monday, Micheal Jordan Guild kicked 'Jif,' just kidding."
I was thinking "Have a nice day[.]" or "Hi[,] Hello World[.]" I don't know how many characters its supposed to be.
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Is a cyclic permutation a better way to approach it? Q is a starting letter in the alphabet and the inequalities determine a direction for the number moves?
I was thinking the (+) broke it up along the lines of:
(+4 -2)(+3 -2)(-2 +2 +4 -5 -2 +2)(+3 -1 -2 -3 +4 -1) (...)
"ON M MJ GK JIF JK"
"On Monday, Micheal Jordan Guild kicked 'Jif,' just kidding."
I have to say it is interesting to see how you can take the code and make it output something. unfourtunatly you havnt guess the phrase using the system you have.
I have to say it is interesting to see how you can take the code and make it output something. unfourtunatly you havnt guess the phrase using the system you have.
I'm really just putting wild guesses out there to just probe for hints. It could reference a book and words in that book. Not that it does, but I feel like the number of possible solutions are uncountable.
Maybe there is a clue but if the purpose was to make a difficult code then I'd doubt that.
edit: Considering that there is a limited amount of information, possible solutions ought to be countable but its more like how to apply that information (uncountably), as it would be applied to a key in order to read the message is where I'm aimless on approaching the given.
This is assuming there is a solution, respective to human error and the possibility this is some experiment with having people look for meaning in noise, patternicity.
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