Furry != Bestiality

[TimeLord]

This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.255213-Am-in-love-with-a-dog-from-a-movie-Is-is-that-normal]; oh god this. Forever this. This is the reason why we can't be different. This is the reason we can't express ourselves.

I must point out. I am not against the OP. Despite being slightly disturbing. His business is his own. I am against the assumption in the comments that because he "loves" a dog. He is a Furry.

Wrong.
So wrong.
Oh god! So wrong.
Being a Furry does not equal bestiality.

To quote a fellow sympathiser on my grief;

I hate the assumption made that Furries Love Animals.
We do not, we love Anthros, that is to say Animal-Human Hybrids, not fucking (in any sense of the word) animals.

[img_inline width=250 align="left" Caption="This is a dog"]http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu272/tristaria1/bolt-the-dog.jpg[/img_inline]

[img_inline width=250 align="left" Caption="This is an Anthro, Human-Animal Hybrid"]http://www.gemakei.com/media/albums/userpics/10006/furryForKrystal.jpg[/img_inline]

[img_inline width=200 align="left" Caption="This explains everything"]http://memepedia.info/images/f/fb/Furry_classification.jpg[/img_inline]

Actually, I suppose this is more aimed at fellow furries who have noticed the same thing but I also hope it educates others who are ignorant on such matters!

I suppose it is more a generalisation of something that not everyone understands. Which is par for the course with anything different. But generalisations that paint a specific group in a bad light right from the start is a human failing I despise.

[sub][sub]I managed to write all that without swearing. Despite the RAGE inside me[/sub][/sub]

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

If people are ignorant, and make ignorant comments, they are unlikely to change, seeing as they haven't tried to learn anything before they make their comments.
Still, some do learn, thankfully.
Maybe this will make a few people change their views. Maybe not. It can only be hoped that some more ignorance is wiped away.
Just don't expect things to change drastically >.>

 

[Daedalus1942]

This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.255213-Am-in-love-with-a-dog-from-a-movie-Is-is-that-normal]; oh god this. Forever this. This is the reason why we can't be different. This is the reason we can't express ourselves.

I must point out. I am not against the OP. Despite being slightly disturbing. His business is his own. I am against the assumption in the comments that because he "loves" a dog. He is a Furry.

Wrong.
So wrong.
Oh god! So wrong.
Being a Furry does not equal bestiality.

To quote a fellow sympathiser on my grief;

I hate the assumption made that Furries Love Animals.
We do not, we love Anthros, that is to say Animal-Human Hybrids, not fucking (in any sense of the word) animals.

Actually, I suppose this is more aimed at fellow furries who have noticed the same thing but I also hope it educates others who are ignorant on such matters!

I suppose it is more a generalisation of something that not everyone understands. Which is par for the course with anything different. But generalisations that paint a specific group in a bad light right from the start is a human failing I despise.

[sub][sub]I managed to write all that without swearing. Despite the RAGE inside me[/sub][/sub]

I know! It's kind of bullshit.
I had an image of Bunnie Rabbot on my msn a little while back and people were saying things "you're sick and should be put to death".
After ranting at them for half hour I realised it had nothing to do with me being a transsexual... no it was because they assumed I was a furry for putting Bunnie up -.-

The online prejudice you poor people recieve, is just insane.
I find anthopomorphic animals kind of cute, but I wouldn't call myself a furry. I don't play furry characters online, and I don't have a fursuit that I made myself, but I have several friends that are furries (great people btw), who are everyday normal people, not into beastiality.

I just don't see the problem that so many people have with furries. It must stem from some event that happened years that was minconstrued and somehow got tied to include all furries. Kind of like the whole new zealand tihng with sheep...

In any case I'm friendly and do not have any qualms with you people.
I only hope it's the same in reverse for you and transpeople.

-Tabs<3-
P.S Who isn't furry for Krystal?
I fell in love with her while playing Starfox Adventures and she would easily be my 2nd game crush (right behind Liara T'soni from Mass Effect).

 

[sketch_zeppelin]

Its hard to get people to stop bashing furries. For one thing we're into somthing that doesn't exist. The closest parallel they can think of is real life animals. Secondly fur suiting is...strange. plane and simple. asking someone to accept that without being judgemental is actually asking a bit.

I'm not saying we should be bashed but its not likely to stop. were a very rare and different fringe of society. we're going to get shit for it. so we might as well man up and learn to love it...at least we'll know who the assholes are right away and can avoid them easily afterwards.

 

[Lieju]

I like drawing furries (and human-like animal characters like Donald Duck), but I in no way find them sexually attractive.

If someone does, well feel free to, but it's not my thing.

Except for nagas. Those are hot.

But I have noticed how sometimes just putting up pics of anthropomorphic animals in your gallery will get you a lot of hate.

 

[TimeLord]

Secondly fur suiting is...strange. plane and simple. asking someone to accept that without being judgemental is actually asking a bit.

I understand that. I myself am not into the whole fursuiting malarky but the problem is that a lot of people only see that side of the furry community. I accept that nothing will probably change. But if I can educate one person then I will deem this thread a success!

 

[smithy_2045]

How does that make it any better?

 

[emeraldrafael]

I know I made the comment he may be furry, but there's levels of furries.

you want to doubt me? Lets talk about Mitch, a friend in a furry club (proud co founder by the way. I am, I mean) we have locally. He cant legally own cats. Why? Well, lets just say there's been a popsicaling or two of cats.

but I do agree, people need to not assume so much that furries want animals. Furries like Anthros, and usually an anthro has the human bits that make them human so its not weird.

 

[Rednog]

Wait, wait, wait...back that train up!
Anthropomorphism does not equal half human half animal. Anthropomorphism is any non human thing whether living or not having human traits and or characteristics. From a majority of what I've seen in relation to furry art there is very little to link or to show that in fact many furies are indeed half human/human animal and evolved in some way or are genetically half-half for some reason. They are for all intensive purposes, genetically non-human. Yes there is art out there showing people transforming into furies but let's leave that for another debate.
For example the character you posted, Krystal. Now I admit I haven't played Starfox, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I highly doubt that there is any mention in her back story or during the game that she is indeed part human part animal genetically.

This is where you have to draw the fine line, being anthropomorphic means you can and are humanoid. They might look and act human, but they are definitely not human. Considering the basic definition of bestiality is is the practice of sex between humans and non-human animals, furries kind of fall into that category.

So...umm yea, while yes there are clear differences if you sit down and try to think why people like furies (it's sexualizing animals with human physical characteristics) you know there is a difference between liking that and a straight up animal.
Sorry to say it man, but people who call it bestiality are technically right.

 

[TimeLord]

So...umm yea, while yes there are clear differences if you sit down and try to think why people like furies (it's sexualizing animals with human physical characteristics)

Being a furry is not about sex. I should know, I am one.
People assume sexualisation because of the media portrayed around furries.

Deviant art doesn't do anything to help my argument either....

But seriously. Watch this;

http://vimeo.com/17995012

The guy near the end explains my entire argument.

 

[Rednog]

So...umm yea, while yes there are clear differences if you sit down and try to think why people like furies (it's sexualizing animals with human physical characteristics)

Being a furry is not about sex. I should know, I am one.
People assume sexualisation because of the media portrayed around furries.

Deviant art doesn't do anything to help my argument either....

But seriously. Watch this;

http://vimeo.com/17995012

The guy near the end explains my entire argument.

Ok, first off, not to sound like a dick, but I'm not about to go jump into a 37 minute video or accept blindly that it will somehow/somewhere have some sort of counter to my whole argument. Seriously, I'm not a fan of someone taking a tiny snippet of someone's argument, saying they disagree with it and thus saying it's somehow negating the rest of the argument. It doesn't.
Really sorry, but unless there is more to the arguing against my point I'm not about to go spend half an hour watching a video, that I'm pretty sure won't counter my argument about the definition you're trying to convince people to believe.

Secondly, sexualization and sex are two different things. You're really mincing words if you directly connect sexualization to sex. Like I said sexualization in the furry world is sexualizing animals with human physical characteristics.

While I agree that being a furry might not be about throwing down a furry and wanting to shag it, there is still some sort of physical(sexual)attraction to said furry characters. I mean just because someone likes an character that happens to be a furry doesn't make them a furry.
For example I like Ren and Stimpy, I enjoy their show, and they are animals with human traits both mental and physical. But me liking them does not mean I am a furry.

But in your discussion, as you clearly mentioned, the whole crux of the argument is "loving" and where to draw the line between pure animal and what is an animal but looks closer to human (yes, yes human's are animals themselves, but let's use animal in the sense of non human for now).

I don't think you can seriously argue the fact that there isn't some kind attraction of a good chunk of of furry fans to the furry characters. I mean look at your example of Krystal, scantily clad and in a pretty suggestive pose...yeah...

I'm curious as to where you draw the line between furry and non furry. Because just because you like a bunch of characters that just happen to be furries probably shouldn't make one a furry. It is in my opinion that there is a deeper level of attraction that should constitute whether or not someone is a furry.

 

[Monkfish Acc.]

I quite clearly stated in that thread that he was a zoophile, not a furry. So yeah, I get it.

Honestly, zoophilia and bestiality squick me the fuck out. It's similar to child molestation, in my eyes.
I'm trying to find the right words to describe it, but they are escaping me. It's like... okay. So you are forcing yourself on something that cannot fight back and is not really sure what you are doing. It cannot and probably would not consent.
That's not exactly it but it will have to do.

I'm okay with furries. I mean, it's not entirely about the kink, and even the parts that are tend to involve aware and consentual participants.
But zoophilia? Ugh. I suppose you can't control what you're into, and you are fine as long as you don't act on your urges. But still.
Just fucking ugh.

EDIT:

snip

Let me simplify this for you.
Take a transexual. A transexual is a man or woman who feels they are trapped in the wrong sex.
A male to female transexual IDENTIFIES as female. They may be into women. They may be bisexual. It's not about sexual attraction, it's about who they are and who they identify as.

Being a furry is sort of like that.
As far as I understand it, furries identify with anthropomorphic animals because, on some level, they feel THEMSELVES to be anthropomorphic animals. That's why you see all these fursonas everywhere. That is their way of becoming who they envision themselves to be.

I don't know if any furries feel trapped in their current bodies. Hell, I'm not sure if any of this is true, I'm not a furry, so I don't know.
This is just what I've picked up from snippets here and there.

 

[Player Two]

People are never capable of distinguishing connected terms even if they are fundamentally different. Furry? Bestiality? Ask your average troll, and watch them spout misconceptions.

The whole furry sexualization thing seems to be mostly based around human forms that have been augmented with animalistic traits (or vice versa). I don't really subscribe to the attraction myself, but I could understand it, I guess - the human body on its own is not exactly a graceful thing.

Bestiality/zoophilia, on the other hand, is just... No. Definitely not. But you know, whatever. I refuse to knowingly force beliefs on anyone, so if that's your thing then I guess I'm fine as long as you don't demonstrate it.

 

[xdiesp]

That doesn't change the fact you're beating off anthropomorphic animals. Because foxes who can stand up do not count as beasts in your reasoning amirite?

 

[Necromancist]

That doesn't change the fact you're beating off anthropomorphic animals. Because foxes who can stand up do not count as beasts in your reasoning amirite?

I think you mean "beating off TO". Beating off an anthropomorphic animal would require some mad genetic engineering skills, breh. :3

Anyway.

Kind of an interesting thing you said there. Fox who can stand up: yes, it's a beast. Fox who can stand up and has physical human traits (two arms, two legs, opposable thumbs) but still acts on the same mental level as a normal fox: yes, it's a beast. A fox who has physical human traits AND who is capable of thinking, reasoning and feeling just like a human (which is the case with 98% of the fandom's characters): is it still a beast? Not really.

Mind you, I'm still very aware that anthros aren't real and probably never will be. But your failed attempt at trolling was just too delicious to pass up. ^^

To the OP: nice explanation. Short, consistent, free of drama. I think that's a problem people have with furries, really; some of them are very defensive and/or vindicative about the fandom. The term "raging drama queen" comes to mind. Keep in mind, however, that this is a VERY minor part of the fandom (at least in my experience). All the furries I know are decent, honest people. Hell, one of them is some army guy posted down in Egypt right now. I'm not saying there aren't "bad" furries; I knew one guy a while ago who was... eeeh. Let's just say he was creepy. Though the way he talked and acted definetly hinted at deeper issues.

About the whole "furry = beastiality" shebang, reference my argument above. I'm not into beastiality, and I fully agree with it being a punishable crime, but I do admit I enjoy furries (though I don't enjoy, or even see the point with, fursuiting and similar activities). See, the main difference lies with whether it's consensual or not. An animal cannot engage in consensual sexual activities because they don't have the mental capacity to make such a decision. An anthropomorphic animal, if they existed, would be capable of reasoning and would thus also be able to engage in consensual sexual activities like any other humanoid being.

TL;DR: In my opinion, beastiality can be defined as partly about sex with animals, and partly forcing yourself upon a creature which doesn't have the mental faculties to understand what you're doing, why you're doing it, or whether it's right or wrong.

 

[Dana22]

Being a furry is not about sex.

Type in "Furry" in Google graphics search. Turn off filters. Browse. See two dogs in nazi uniforms with one giving a blowjob to the other. Yeah it isn't.