Incase you guys forgotten what happened the last time in Game of Thrones well, the Wrath of the Night King has at last reached Westeros:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QMQOJTYRBU
Winter.....has come at last.
So what do you guys expect to happen in the final season of this tv franchise. And what are your feelings that the TV series finished far earlier then the books?
We kinda already knew when it would be coming out, they did say there would be a two year gap from S7 in order to get the filming done (not to mention how many digital shots there will be). My understanding is that there will be 7 episodes of 60-90mins each. Why they couldn't just make two 10 episode seasons is beyond me.
I have some thoughts about what will happen, but I've also absorbed every whisper, rumour, analysis, prophecy, spoiler, leak, fan theory or insane rambling relating to the show, so I think I actually know a few things that will happen. I don't want to mention them because most people are not like me and don't want to even hear a character's name in case it spoils the fact they are still alive. 🙄
So for theories, I think it's pretty safe to assume that some combination of dothraki, unsullied, nights watchmen, wildlings, Stark bannerman and possibly some other forces not aligned to Cersei will be fighting against the White Walkers and their wights. I believe Castle Black and Winterfell are gonna get steamrolled. I don't doubt we'll see dragon vs dragon combat. I would also put money down on some long-awaited reunions, like Tyrion/Sansa, Jamie/Brienne and the most anticipated Hound/Arya. A lot of things are going to be destroyed by dragons. Lastly, if the Hound doesn't kill the Mountain (aka Cleganebowl), GRRM is gonna need to go into Witness Protection or a non-extraditing country to survive the backlash from the fandom.
Jon I think, now we know his identity, will end up on a dragon. I also think he (and/or Dany) is going to be revealed as Azor Ahai. I think valyrian steel will become a significant point in due course with Sam playing an important role. Bran is the biggest mystery and I suspect will be pivotal due to his godlike greenseer/warging combination...there are some fascinating theories that Bran is actually all the Brans throughout history, including Brandon the Builder and the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch who became the Night's King.
My thoughts on Cersei are difficult to discuss because it could crossover into leaks territory. However, I will discuss something long ago published in the books and frequently revisted and well known, namely the prophecy made by Maggie the Frog to a young Cersei. Now in the show, they showed this in flashback in S5E1, however, they didn't show the complete prophecy. Since this is well known in the books, I do not believe it is a spoiler to discuss the prophecy, but just in case tho:
Maggie tells a young Cersei she will have three children with golden heads and golden shrouds. Sure enough, we've watched as golden haired Joffrey, Marcella and Tommen all died. Maggie predicted she wouldn't marry "a prince" (ie. Rhaegar) but "a king" (ie. Robert Baratheon). The last part of the prophecy (not shown in the season 5 flashback) was that she would die at the hands of the "valonqar", which in the books Cersei learns is High Valyrian for "little brother". Now she has always believed this to be Tyrion, and always hated him for it. However, she is also the older twin out of her and Jamie, making Jamie technically a "little brother".
There are theories and evidence to suppose that either one could be the "valonqar". But I personally believe this part of the prophecy will also come to pass and further, that it will be Jamie as Cersei tries to blow up King's Landing with the Mad King's wildfire, in a repeat of the event during Rob's rebellion that branded him Kingslayer. This is my personal theory and feeling and not based on anything more than my thoughts of Cersei, Jamie's character arc to date, a feeling that she is the character we all want to see get her comeuppance as much or more than even Joffrey or Ramsay.
As for the show finishing first...I have two thoughts. First, is a wild theory based on nothing but a hunch and is likely completely off-base. In my head, they pushed season 8 back another year to give GRRM enough time to get at least book 6 out, if not finish ASoIaF entirely. In my head, no one could take >7 years to write one book (Rothfuss, cough cough), and so my belief is that GRRM has been working on 6 and 7 simultaneously and the extra year will let him finish and publish them ahead of the show. Or if not A Dream of Spring at least The Winds of Winter.
That is a theory only and chances are I'm completely wrong there. But to me it explains the extra year a lot better than "we needed more time to shoot the show" and would be both poetic and a real coup for the readers, letting them finish the epic before the show finale. My second thought is more grounded in reality and that is that it's GRRM's fault for being such a slow writer.
I'm not claiming what he's doing is easy. I'm not claiming he isn't working on his masterpiece and wants to get it right. I'm not saying that the best art doesn't take time. What I am saying however is that an author that cannot write and publish a book in seven years is incompetent. He might well be a great writer, but he's an awful author. Now, a book in a year is too fast. If he pushed out a book in one year I would say it was rushed, won't be as well written, considered or edited as another. 3-4 years IMO is the time it takes to write a magnificent book, maybe 5 on the absolute outside. Anyone who takes longer than 5 years to write one book is either not writing it, not competent or doing something (ie. their process) very wrong.
So it's GRRM's fault that the show will get there first, assuming my first theory proves completely wrong. When it comes to stage or screen, the number one rule is "The show must go on." In a way, it was always inevitable given his writing speed when he sold the rights to a show based on a series that wasn't yet complete. But as we near the end of 2018, there is still no publication date and no end in sight, so as much as I feel for the readers who've been waiting patiently for years between his novels, some of whom would have been reading these for 20-25 years now, GRRM is a bad author whose success, side-projects and writing process have resulted in the show revealing the end to his magnum opus before he himself can. Can't be helped now, the show must go on.
I just want it to be over and don't with. The last season was crazy, time jumping and teleporting all over the place. I do want to see it, but almost 2 years? for 6 episodes? I'll see it and never think of it again.
I just want it to be over and don't with. The last season was crazy, time jumping and teleporting all over the place. I do want to see it, but almost 2 years? for 6 episodes? I'll see it and never think of it again.
To be honest, when I think of Westeros, it's more the show than the books that comes to mind now. I'm not claiming that the show is the 'true story' or anything like that, but it's the version that's more ingrained in my mind. I can live without the books finishing at this point as long as the show gets its finale. And considering we're already getting a prequel...
Maybe it's like the MCU. Yeah, the comics are the source material, but if I say "Captain America" to average joe on the street, they'll probably think of the on-screen version first.
Gee, I wonder if it'll involve tits, dragons, zombies and characters dying.
Just it seems like everything GoT offers, people can get more and better of elsewhwere. Wanna see a hot blonde fucked doggy style? Try Pornhub. Wanna see swords/sorcery? Skyrim or DnD. Zombies? Literally anything. Political intrigue? Every other HBO show. Drama? TMZ.
Here, play Skyrim while listening to a TMZ podcast, pausing every hour to watch some pornhub at the same time streaming the West Wing. There. That is Game of Thrones. You now know everything that is going to happen.
Gee, I wonder if it'll involve tits, dragons, zombies and characters dying.
Just it seems like everything GoT offers, people can get more and better of elsewhwere. Wanna see a hot blonde fucked doggy style? Try Pornhub. Wanna see swords/sorcery? Skyrim or DnD. Zombies? Literally anything. Political intrigue? Every other HBO show. Drama? TMZ.
Here, play Skyrim while listening to a TMZ podcast, pausing every hour to watch some pornhub at the same time streaming the West Wing. There. That is Game of Thrones. You now know everything that is going to happen.
Gee, I wonder if it'll involve tits, dragons, zombies and characters dying.
Just it seems like everything GoT offers, people can get more and better of elsewhwere. Wanna see a hot blonde fucked doggy style? Try Pornhub. Wanna see swords/sorcery? Skyrim or DnD. Zombies? Literally anything. Political intrigue? Every other HBO show. Drama? TMZ.
Here, play Skyrim while listening to a TMZ podcast, pausing every hour to watch some pornhub at the same time streaming the West Wing. There. That is Game of Thrones. You now know everything that is going to happen.
Yes you can, and despite my liking the show, I won't claim its the single most amazing thing ever, no spoilerz, no show has ever been like it, you won't believe what happened to Fluttershy this episode, and there aren't entire other TV shows dedicated to recapping MLP.
Last season greatly disappointed me as a lot of what made Game of Thrones so different from other shows (the lack of plot armor) was draped all over the last season. Both Snow and Jaime should have been killed repeatedly had Thrones gone by it's normal rules in the last season and it greatly irked me that they survived. I get that they need some of these people for the last season since killing a bunch of big names the season before the end might cause problems but then don't put them in situations that by all right should have them dead. It's OK that they survive to the end; it's irksome that they survive situations no person would ever survive.
I'll watch the last season if for any other reason that I want to see how they plan on ending everything. Ultimately, shitty Game of Thrones is still better than the majority of TV...
Last season greatly disappointed me as a lot of what made Game of Thrones so different from other shows (the lack of plot armor) was draped all over the last season. Both Snow and Jaime should have been killed repeatedly had Thrones gone by it's normal rules in the last season and it greatly irked me that they survived. I get that they need some of these people for the last season since killing a bunch of big names the season before the end might cause problems but then don't put them in situations that by all right should have them dead. It's OK that they survive to the end; it's irksome that they survive situations no person would ever survive.
I'll watch the last season if for any other reason that I want to see how they plan on ending everything. Ultimately, shitty Game of Thrones is still better than the majority of TV...
Agree with this. On one hand, Season 7 is arguably the weakest season. On the other, Game of Thrones at its worst is still better than many (fantasy) shows at their best.
Last season greatly disappointed me as a lot of what made Game of Thrones so different from other shows (the lack of plot armor) was draped all over the last season. Both Snow and Jaime should have been killed repeatedly had Thrones gone by it's normal rules in the last season and it greatly irked me that they survived. ... It's OK that they survive to the end; it's irksome that they survive situations no person would ever survive.
I agree on this point, but put it down to the showrunners dragging drama out of every possible scene rather than the needs of/adherence to the story.
I believe some of it is down to something like "economy of storytelling". An example of this is how Bronn is constantly reused throughout the show since he's a "fan favourite" or at least a recognisable character we are already invested in to one degree or another. By using characters we already know and care about, drama (and any consequences) are heightened. So yeah, the showrunners used shorthand for "drama" by putting Jon and Jaime into life-threatening action set pieces while the story has other things in mind for them.
So yes, plot armour but I think it's kinda reversed in that the scene needs to happen then the characters are placed there later in a "how can we up the stakes?" conversation at the writer's table, rather than putting the story or characters first. It wouldn't surprise me if, should books 6-7 ever release, those characters weren't personally in those situations.
In a real sense tho, I think it was always an inevitability...the show began with the first sighting of the White Walkers and gradually the mundane political plots were resolved and the fantastic elements grew in significance. It was always building towards the Night's King plot. So while it began as a subversion of every fantasy trope, it ends with a boy with a wolf and magic sword who came back from the dead, wears heavy plot armour, and defeats the dark lord trying to destroy the world. Perhaps it's a result of having killed off everyone else and so the cast still standing having more focus/centrality.
I'm not claiming what he's doing is easy. I'm not claiming he isn't working on his masterpiece and wants to get it right. I'm not saying that the best art doesn't take time. What I am saying however is that an author that cannot write and publish a book in seven years is incompetent.
I think that's a little harsh; writer's block is a thing, as is stage fright, the yips and so on in other disciplines. Some people may find the pressure of being hugely acclaimed and scrutinised counterproductive as it may make them excessively worried about quality. Nevertheless, I think it is doing readers a substantial disservice, because it is hard to maintain interest and focus with too long between books. For instance, I don't like re-reading books for no other reason than to refresh my memory (especially when there are five doorstops) and I don't like not remembering who half the minor characters are either.
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