Game of Thrones Season 6 general discussion.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Might aswell make this thread to avoid bumping spacific threads.

But anyway 6 episodes in and so far the final 3 mabye the wrap up because judging from the trailers there is still that Battle for Winterfell.

So as to the episode I saw AND SPOILERS:

King's Landing Arc:

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King Tommen the Manipulated indeed. so Marcella is the only good Lannister inbred child

Bran Stark Story Arc:

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BENJIN STARK LIVES AND HE WAS KILLED BY WHITE WALKERS BUT AIDED BY THE CHILDREN OF THE FOREST

Northern kingdoms story arc:

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So they finally brought back Walder Frey and they waste no time with making reference to the fuckin Red Wedding, HEY REMEMBER GUYS THIS IS THE GUY THAT YOU HATE BECAUSE HE KILLED YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTERS

Other story arcs I don't care for.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Spoiler

King Tommen the Manipulated indeed. so Marcella is the only good Lannister inbred child

Was..

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If I were gambling, I would say that Tommen's death will be this season's second-to-last-episode "shock" moment.

Also, I know he's probably not sticking around much longer, but I have to say I have really, really enjoyed Jonathan Pryce's time on the show. He and Iwan Rheon (Ramsey) are just consistently fun to watch, for me.

Spoiler

BENJIN STARK LIVES AND HE WAS KILLED BY WHITE WALKERS BUT AIDED BY THE CHILDREN OF THE FOREST

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I think "lives" is a little optimistic in this case. It was a popular fan theory, though, so I saw it coming.

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So they finally brought back Walder Frey and they waste no time with making reference to the fuckin Red Wedding, HEY REMEMBER GUYS THIS IS THE GUY THAT YOU HATE BECAUSE HE KILLED YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTERS

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Well, it is basically his only real contribution to the plot. I like that this seems to be the "season where we suddenly remember all those characters and houses we forgot about". Heck, maybe Gendry will finally prove he didn't drink the seawater..

Other story arcs I don't care for.

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Oh Arya, you're not very good at this whole thing, are you..
Oh Dany, I'm amazed more people aren't annoyed by how nonsensical and borderline racist your plot arc is..
Oh Sam.. Wait, why did we need more Sam again? I would say "so socially awkward guys can have someone to relate to" but it's a fantasy series.. you don't need to work this hard, guys. They'll watch it anyway.

 

[Evonisia]

Spoiler: King's Landing

The High Sparrow has become Ramsey 2.0., he's just not allowed to face defeat. The only thing making him better than Ramsey is that at least his acts of menace don't feel arbitrary like say the dog scene or the Osha scene. When he's finally dealt with it'll feel anti-climactic. I'm getting the impression Cersei wants Jaime away so she can use wildfire without becoming the Mad King 2.0. which is nice.

Spoiler: Arya

Really nice to see Arya still exist beneath all that assassin manipulation, but I fear the rest of her involvement in the season will just be her running away from her former mentor(s).

Spoiler: Sam

Everything about this was glorious to watch, especially Gilly standing up for Sam at dinner. Though the decision to steal the sword comes off as creating conflict when Sam doesn't seem all that relevant to the rest of the threads. Similar to Arya in that way.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler

King Tommen the Manipulated indeed. so Marcella is the only good Lannister inbred child

Was..

Spoiler

If I were gambling, I would say that Tommen's death will be this season's second-to-last-episode "shock" moment.

Also, I know he's probably not sticking around much longer, but I have to say I have really, really enjoyed Jonathan Pryce's time on the show. He and Iwan Rheon (Ramsey) are just consistently fun to watch, for me.

Spoiler

BENJIN STARK LIVES AND HE WAS KILLED BY WHITE WALKERS BUT AIDED BY THE CHILDREN OF THE FOREST

Spoiler

I think "lives" is a little optimistic in this case. It was a popular fan theory, though, so I saw it coming.

Spoiler

So they finally brought back Walder Frey and they waste no time with making reference to the fuckin Red Wedding, HEY REMEMBER GUYS THIS IS THE GUY THAT YOU HATE BECAUSE HE KILLED YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTERS

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Well, it is basically his only real contribution to the plot. I like that this seems to be the "season where we suddenly remember all those characters and houses we forgot about". Heck, maybe Gendry will finally prove he didn't drink the seawater..

Other story arcs I don't care for.

Spoiler

Oh Arya, you're not very good at this whole thing, are you..
Oh Dany, I'm amazed more people aren't annoyed by how nonsensical and borderline racist your plot arc is..
Oh Sam.. Wait, why did we need more Sam again? I would say "so socially awkward guys can have someone to relate to" but it's a fantasy series.. you don't need to work this hard, guys. They'll watch it anyway.

I just want Dany to invade Westeros with her Savage Barbarians already.

After the Battle of Winterfell (which most likely Jon and Sansa will win) and the war between Lannisters/Tyrells vs The Faith Militant I just want that final conflict between the Lannisters and Starks already.

I just want that Finale season to happen because no matter how dissipointing it ends up (Be it Mass Effect 3 or Starcraft 2) at least it'd be more exciting then what is going on now.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler: King's Landing

The High Sparrow has become Ramsey 2.0., he's just not allowed to face defeat. The only thing making him better than Ramsey is that at least his acts of menace don't feel arbitrary like say the dog scene or the Osha scene. When he's finally dealt with it'll feel anti-climactic. I'm getting the impression Cersei wants Jaime away so she can use wildfire without becoming the Mad King 2.0. which is nice.

Spoiler: Arya

Really nice to see Arya still exist beneath all that assassin manipulation, but I fear the rest of her involvement in the season will just be her running away from her former mentor(s).

Spoiler: Sam

Everything about this was glorious to watch, especially Gilly standing up for Sam at dinner. Though the decision to steal the sword comes off as creating conflict when Sam doesn't seem all that relevant to the rest of the threads. Similar to Arya in that way.

Do you think Game of Thrones (the TV show at least) will suffer Mass Effect 3 syndrome?

 

[anthony87]

Spoiler: Sam

Everything about this was glorious to watch, especially Gilly standing up for Sam at dinner. Though the decision to steal the sword comes off as creating conflict when Sam doesn't seem all that relevant to the rest of the threads. Similar to Arya in that way.

With regards to this particular spoiler:

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Sam taking the sword kinda makes sense the way I see it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was done partly out of spite but Sam knows as well as anyone that they need all the Valyrian steel they can get to fight the White Walkers.

 

[Evonisia]

Do you think Game of Thrones (the TV show at least) will suffer Mass Effect 3 syndrome?

Define what you mean by that.

But if you just mean "a crap ending that kinda comes out of nowhere"; probably not. They likely have an endgame in mind but they're still trying to figure out how to get there.

Spoiler: Sam

Everything about this was glorious to watch, especially Gilly standing up for Sam at dinner. Though the decision to steal the sword comes off as creating conflict when Sam doesn't seem all that relevant to the rest of the threads. Similar to Arya in that way.

With regards to this particular spoiler:

Spoiler

Sam taking the sword kinda makes sense the way I see it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was done partly out of spite but Sam knows as well as anyone that they need all the Valyrian steel they can get to fight the White Walkers.

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Yeah I was a bit surprised he didn't bring up the fact that Valyrian steel can kill White Walkers. I suppose he could present this to the Maesters and reveal the White Walker's weakness, but the scene presents it more as Sam screwing over his father, and rightfully so because his father was so deliciously hateable.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

SPOILER:

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so this is what Mad King Aerys looks like in the show, and I don't like it , He looks nothing as the books and art depicts, long beared, skinny, long nails, and dirty

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http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/d/db/Papa_Targaryen.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160530061137

 

[Terminal Blue]

Can I request that we put spoiler in the title, so we don't have to keep using tags all the time?

Spoiler: Sam

Everything about this was glorious to watch, especially Gilly standing up for Sam at dinner. Though the decision to steal the sword comes off as creating conflict when Sam doesn't seem all that relevant to the rest of the threads. Similar to Arya in that way.

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That whole bit kind of annoyed me actually.

I mean, Gilly grew up in a very, very abusive household dominated by a brutal, violent man who treated "his" women like possessions. They even played it for awkwardness in this episode by talking about Gilly's father and how super cool he must have been to teach his daughters how to hunt. Regardless though, that isn't an environment where backtalk gets tolerated, or where people learn how to be strong and stand up to bullies, especially not older, male patriarchal bullies who can get you kicked out of the house or kill you if they feel like it.

I don't know, I don't think it's malicious so much as just thoughtless writing, but it just seems quite unhelpful to imply that people just "get over" stuff like that. I mean, Sam comes across as an okay dude but not someone so completely wonderful that someone would essentially violate every survival instinct they presumably must have developed in order to stop him getting chewed out over dinner.

It's not the biggest deal though. I only realized how much it bothered me when I thought about it a few hours after watching the episode.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

I really want to know what the deal is with Littlefinger.

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From the start, he has manipulated so many events. The death of Jon Arryn, capturing Ned Stark, alliance with Tyrells, death of Joffrey, rescue of Sansa, marriage to and murder of Lysa Arryn, delivering Sansa to the Boltons. He's gone from Master of Coin and brothel keeper to Lord of one of Westeros' seven kingdoms, pseudo-steward of the Vale and linked to Winterfell.

What is his end game? He's the only major player whose agenda and capabilities we know so little of. I suspect he still has a huge role to play but no idea what that might be. Any readers or smarter people than me who can theorise/speculate/extrapolate?

As for Arya, I suspect

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that Braavos can no longer support both her continued living and that of the inhabitants of the House of Black and White. I think the servants of the Many-Faced God are about to get their "gift" returned by a girl who evidently is still "someone".

I think her arc was a little silly tho. That she only changed her mind at the last moment beggared belief. I find it too hard to believe that she would've poisoned the rum only to change her mind after.

I was interested to see the return of

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Benjen Stark, and the manner for his return. Obviously it raises questions of where he's been, what he's been doing and he he hasn't been involved in anything for 5 years (I read that Coldhands however has been involved in the books), but the only storyline I particularly care about any more is that starting at the wall and going north. I am very interested in everything involving the white walkers, wights, Children of the Forest, dragonglass, etc.

Speaking of storylines

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Dany's has been shit for 5 years, but now maybe it will move forward. She is pretty much precisely where she was at the end of season 1, symbolically stepping out from another fiery inferno unscathed and winning herself a Dothraki army. The only real difference is that her dragons aren't hatchlings this time, but 5 year olds (which apparently is adulthood in dragon years). So maybe this time she'll get involved in the actual show instead of dicking about for 5 years

Do you think Game of Thrones (the TV show at least) will suffer Mass Effect 3 syndrome?

You mean where ghost-Olly speaks shit for 10 minutes after Jon Snow kills the Night's King and you get a different coloured energy explosion that makes everyone half-human, half-wight despite nothing in previous seasons suggesting that was even a thing, let alone what he fought for? Naaaaaah.

 

[Bobular]

Do you think Game of Thrones (the TV show at least) will suffer Mass Effect 3 syndrome?

You mean where ghost-Olly speaks shit for 10 minutes after Jon Snow kills the Night's King and you get a different coloured energy explosion that makes everyone half-human, half-wight despite nothing in previous seasons suggesting that was even a thing, let alone what he fought for? Naaaaaah.

and then we get an updated ending a few months later that doesn't fix the problems, but is at least better then the last one.

Speaking of storylines

Spoiler

Dany's has been shit for 5 years, but now maybe it will move forward. She is pretty much precisely where she was at the end of season 1, symbolically stepping out from another fiery inferno unscathed and winning herself a Dothraki army. The only real difference is that her dragons aren't hatchlings this time, but 5 year olds (which apparently is adulthood in dragon years). So maybe this time she'll get involved in the actual show instead of dicking about for 5 years

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I know the scene with her emerging from the burning hut fine and getting a Dothraki army was suposed to be epic, but all I could think was 'same as last time'. And now I'm thinking the same I thought when she got her first Dothraki army, then again when she got her Unsullied army, and again when she conquered her city, 'maybe now she'll go to Westeross.' But first we'll have to see her get some ships again.

King's Landing Arc:

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King Tommen the Manipulated indeed. so Marcella is the only good Lannister inbred child

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I don't think we saw enough of Marcella to see her faults. I do like the arc with the High Sparrow though, I keep thinking 'if Tywin was still alive, he'd just march in with an army and kill them all when they took a Lannister, and the peasants would fear him to much to do anything about it, if Jamie had actually tried it the peasants would have rioted'

 

[MCerberus]

Spoiler: Coldhands

I believe the first scene has earned the character a "motherfucking". So hail Benjen Motherfucking Stark

Spoiler: House of Black and White

It was a real mess up to not have Numera and other Arya worging shenanigans. What was put in to replace them muddies everything while cutting off the potential for Arya vs Lord of Light people.

Also, hey showrunners. What happens to those Direwolves are generally considered big deals. We're just going to ignore the fact that one is leading a murder-pack killing hundreds of dudes? We're just going to ignore the fact one is leading a murder-pack killing hundreds of dudes

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Bran Theory

Spoiler

Bran is responsible for driving Aerys mad. When Jaime is asked what King Aerys said when he stabbed him in the back he responded "the same thing he had been saying for hours, "burn them all"". And as we have seen, when Bran is visiting the past and uses his warg abilities it will have a negative effect on that person's mental state and probably embed an instruction or phrase into his/her head

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Bran Theory

Spoiler

Bran is responsible for driving Aerys mad. When Jaime is asked what King Aerys said when he stabbed him in the back he responded "the same thing he had been saying for hours, "burn them all"". And as we have seen, when Bran is visiting the past and uses his warg abilities it will have a negative effect on that person's mental state and probably embed an instruction or phrase into his/her head

That theory may singlehandedly ruin that lore part of game of thrones

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Bran Theory

Spoiler

Bran is responsible for driving Aerys mad. When Jaime is asked what King Aerys said when he stabbed him in the back he responded "the same thing he had been saying for hours, "burn them all"". And as we have seen, when Bran is visiting the past and uses his warg abilities it will have a negative effect on that person's mental state and probably embed an instruction or phrase into his/her head

That theory may singlehandedly ruin that lore part of game of thrones

This is just what I see happening. Bran even saw Aerys in his vision in S6E6. I wouldn't be happy about it though. I think the show would be better if they actually stuck to the books. If the Winds of Winter ever comes out and it's not drastically different from the show I'm going to be upset.

I do like the show, but to me the plot is becoming more and more nonsensical and needlessly drawn out. I had hoped it wouldn't catch up to the books but Martin writes slower than molasses.

 

[happyninja42]

Bran Theory

Spoiler

Bran is responsible for driving Aerys mad. When Jaime is asked what King Aerys said when he stabbed him in the back he responded "the same thing he had been saying for hours, "burn them all"". And as we have seen, when Bran is visiting the past and uses his warg abilities it will have a negative effect on that person's mental state and probably embed an instruction or phrase into his/her head

That theory may singlehandedly ruin that lore part of game of thrones

This is just what I see happening. Bran even saw Aerys in his vision in S6E6. I wouldn't be happy about it though. I think the show would be better if they actually stuck to the books. If the Winds of Winter ever comes out and it's not drastically different from the show I'm going to be upset.

I do like the show, but to me the plot is becoming more and more nonsensical and needlessly drawn out. I had hoped it wouldn't catch up to the books but Martin writes slower than molasses.

Just because he saw the King saying that, doesn't mean that Bran made him do it. He saw many many things happen in his warg trances, not all of them were because of him. Besides, the King had been mad for a loooong time. That ranting on the throne was simply the climactic moment of his fire induced insanity. Unless Bran goes back years before, and somehow plants that thought, that then leads to the king ordering all those jars of alchemist fire to be made, it's not going to be Bran's fault.

Besides, it's not like the Targarian's don't already have a connection to fire anyway, they hardly need Bran messing with their heads to make them go pyro happy.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Bran Theory

Spoiler

Bran is responsible for driving Aerys mad. When Jaime is asked what King Aerys said when he stabbed him in the back he responded "the same thing he had been saying for hours, "burn them all"". And as we have seen, when Bran is visiting the past and uses his warg abilities it will have a negative effect on that person's mental state and probably embed an instruction or phrase into his/her head

That theory may singlehandedly ruin that lore part of game of thrones

This is just what I see happening. Bran even saw Aerys in his vision in S6E6. I wouldn't be happy about it though. I think the show would be better if they actually stuck to the books. If the Winds of Winter ever comes out and it's not drastically different from the show I'm going to be upset.

I do like the show, but to me the plot is becoming more and more nonsensical and needlessly drawn out. I had hoped it wouldn't catch up to the books but Martin writes slower than molasses.

Just because he saw the King saying that, doesn't mean that Bran made him do it. He saw many many things happen in his warg trances, not all of them were because of him. Besides, the King had been mad for a loooong time. That ranting on the throne was simply the climactic moment of his fire induced insanity. Unless Bran goes back years before, and somehow plants that thought, that then leads to the king ordering all those jars of alchemist fire to be made, it's not going to be Bran's fault.

Besides, it's not like the Targarian's don't already have a connection to fire anyway, they hardly need Bran messing with their heads to make them go pyro happy.

All very true. I just don't think it's a coincidence that Aerys makes his debut on screen for the very first time in Bran's vision, repeating his famous line that is the only thing the television audience really knows about him, right after we saw Bran's ability to influence people in the past. Isn't it plausible that Aerys had always been unstable and due to the Targaryan's attraction to fire had the wild fire created on his own? Then Bran's warg intrusion during the siege of King's Landing, maybe hoping to unite the factions against the white walkers, or, if they do the time is circular thing, maybe Bran was helping Ned's and Robert's forces win the siege, sent him over the edge. This leads Jaime to believe he had finally lost it completely. Not saying he was ever a good dude, considering what he did to Ned's father and brother.

Anyway, this is just me spit-balling. If any of this is true I won't be happy about it. I just see Bran becoming more relevant in the show as he develops his powers and I just don't see Aerys being introduced all of a sudden without it being related to Bran in some way.

 

[balladbird]

I'm just glad they have Jaime's plot finally moving to something resembling what it was in the books. He, Dorne, and Stannis were the three biggest changes in continuity between the book and the show... but it's too late for Stannis and I gave up on Dorne, so he was my last sticking point. XD

On the whole, I find myself more moderate on the series than many. Season 6 was a huge step up in quality from season 5, and as long as I try my best to divorce the series from its source material it's a fun enough watch on its own. Kind of like comparing the 2003 Fullmetal alchemist series to its source material.

 

[axlryder]

Can I request that we put spoiler in the title, so we don't have to keep using tags all the time?

Spoiler: Sam

Everything about this was glorious to watch, especially Gilly standing up for Sam at dinner. Though the decision to steal the sword comes off as creating conflict when Sam doesn't seem all that relevant to the rest of the threads. Similar to Arya in that way.

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That whole bit kind of annoyed me actually.

I mean, Gilly grew up in a very, very abusive household dominated by a brutal, violent man who treated "his" women like possessions. They even played it for awkwardness in this episode by talking about Gilly's father and how super cool he must have been to teach his daughters how to hunt. Regardless though, that isn't an environment where backtalk gets tolerated, or where people learn how to be strong and stand up to bullies, especially not older, male patriarchal bullies who can get you kicked out of the house or kill you if they feel like it.

I don't know, I don't think it's malicious so much as just thoughtless writing, but it just seems quite unhelpful to imply that people just "get over" stuff like that. I mean, Sam comes across as an okay dude but not someone so completely wonderful that someone would essentially violate every survival instinct they presumably must have developed in order to stop him getting chewed out over dinner.

It's not the biggest deal though. I only realized how much it bothered me when I thought about it a few hours after watching the episode.

I was thinking the exact same thing

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plus the fact that she was essentially putting her son in danger by stirring things up right off the bat. Though, this wouldn't be the first time she's done that

as to the rest of the episode

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this is honestly the most boring episode so far. I really don't mind the more subdued tone, but the show is taking forever to resolve things that aren't even that interesting to begin with. The show is also succumbing to a lot more PIS in its writing.