Game of Thrones Season 7 Trailer.
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Seems like it's getting climactic.
Hopefully that means I soon won't have to hear about this crap any more and can go back to wondering whether G.R.R Martin will live long enough to finish the good version.
Can you imagine if he didn't and the TV ending was the only ending that ever ended up existing? Brrr. The horror.
Hopefully that means I soon won't have to hear about this crap any more and can go back to wondering whether G.R.R Martin will live long enough to finish the good version.
Can you imagine if he didn't and the TV ending was the only ending that ever ended up existing? Brrr. The horror.
I'll watch but the show has long since stopped being good. Now, I'll just sit here and wait the eternity it takes for TWOW to be released.
Meh? I never understood the appeal of the show. You can get a better version of every element elsewhere. Fantasy? Play Witcher or Skyrim. Sex? Watch Porn. Violence? Fly United. Intrigue and backstabbing and hi-jinks? Watch the News.
Have you ever actually watched the show or read the books? ASOIAF is peak fantasy.Silentpony said:
About a season and a half worth. Didn't feel very swords and sorcery to me. Yeah it had swords, but it was mostly just people being dicks to one another, then all the good characters die. Felt more like the Sopranos with swords that Skyrim the TV show.oRevanchisto said:
Skyrim is shit fantasy with barely a story worth mentioning. ASOIAF is probably the best piece of fantasy work since Tolkein. However, there are obvious differences. The large one being that ASOIAF is a low-magic world, meaning that magic exists but it is rare and thought to be non-existent at this point by many individuals. The second being the morally complex nature of the world. LOTR is very black and white, good and evil. ASOIAF is painted in shades of gray, the majority of characters are incredibly complex such that characters you may loathe at the start you may come to love as the series progresses perhaps even see them as heroes to an extent. There are rarely "good" characters, even characters that many agree are paragons of morality will have their morals tested by the nature of the world. For instance, is it wrong to kill an innocent to save many more lives? How about twenty innocents or a hundred? These situations make the world feel more realistic and the characters all the more believable as they are routinely confronted with hard choices which test their very fundamentals.Silentpony said:
Of course, there is also the wonderfully rich and detailed lore that surrounds it all. Almost nothing is a throw away line, especially in the books, everything is fully detailed. All the noble Houses have long histories full of surprise and intrigue that help you understand the way individuals of a certain House acts in the present. The allure of ASOIAF is less about dragons and fighting ice demons, though there is that and likely more to come before it ends, it's watching these Great Houses and individuals as they grapple for power and have their morals tested all the while a greater threat looms over in the distance. And, because the world is so detailed you can spend a great amount of time theorizing and discussing the future since twists rarely happen out of nowhere (especially in the books). Almost every major or minor twist is telegraphed long before hand hidden within the text of the novels, some twists are even alluded to four whole books before. All this results in a very logical world in which the reader can then apply logic to predict what will happen next. How can the Eyries reinforce the Starks in the North if Moat Cailin is controlled by the Ironborn?
I suggest you go and read the very first book and see what you think then, it was only after starting read the series that I truly fell in love with it. The first season of the show is a VERY good adaptation of the source material, however, without the use of flashbacks certain character motivations and references go over the audiences head. A large amount of the motivations within ASOIAF stem back to events that took place about 17 or so years before the story starts, I'm talking about Robert's Rebellion. Why is Jaimie initially such a prat? Why is Stannis so prickly? Why is Ned Stark so reserved? What's the deal with Varys? Why is Viserys crazy? Why is Daenerys so intent on retakaing the Iron Throne? So many of these questions can be traced back to Robert's Rebellion and even to events before that.
So yeah, you should try and read the books. Of course, if you're just looking for a traditional fantasy story where some Chosen One of pure goodness fights dragons or some shit while shooting lighting bolts out of his hand, then the series is probably not what you're looking for. I'll say the reason I'm no longer excited about the TV show is because of how far they've deviated from the books, it's not about book purity but how the show's actual writing and adaption is just plain bad post-S4. Remember, I said the joy of ASOIAF is the logic of the world, nothing happens out of the blue and everything can be traced logically to the end result. In the show, that is no longer true. Twists and events happen, often without any logic, because the show runners wish to "shock" the audience as they believe this is what people enjoy about the show. They no longer care about the intricate web of politics and military maneuvers that keeps the audience on the edge of the seat as they try and theorize what happens next. Instead, situations are just resolved, often through sheer violence, without any solid explanation. But again, that is the show not the books and only starts to become a major problem starting in S4.
Does Skyrim have fully fleshed out and compelling chacaters as Jaime Lannister, Jon Snow, and Arya Stark?Silentpony said:
I'm not convinced they're fully fleshed out characters. Jaime especially is just trite and bland. We get it, you're the WWE heel.Samtemdo8 said:
John Snow is the oh so broody hero who *gasp* has to compromise here and there.
Arya Stark i'll grant is fun when she's a giggling lunatic screaming Blood for the Blood God.
Again, you're displaying your ignorance and lack of knowledge of the characters. The other major aspect to understand about ASOAIF/GoT is that it is very much a response/critique of modern fantasy. It takes familiar fantasy tropes and turns them on their head, ideas such as a Chosen One, the evil King, and the Fallen Knight. The first season/book is full of these tropes as we often seen in characters like Jon Snow, Jaime Lannister, and Ned Stark. However, these are all false set dressings that are later turned on their head. That is why Ned Stark's death is such a shock in the first book/season, in a traditional fantasy story he is the hero, he's not supposed to die so anti-climatically. This death is the final big indicator that this is not your traditional fantasy story and slowly you begin to realize how much more there is to all of these characters.Silentpony said:
You think Jon Snow is a broody and boring hero? So did I. Guess what? He changes. He'll soon enough be called out on his broody, whiny behavior to the point that now he'd look back at his old self in embarrassment.
You think Jamie Lannister is some grinning heel you can't possibly love. Ho boy, prepare yourself. Jamie is probably my favorite character and quite heroic. There is a reason he is the way he is at the start of the show.
ASOIAF seems to delight in taking your initial expectations about characters and turning them on their head. Characters you thought you'd always hate you come to love, characters you believed were the paragons of good you might start to question once the full context of their actions become clear. Was Ned Stark really some great guy? Or was he a misguided fool? If you're curious about when Jamie transitions into the best character ever, well that happens in season 3/book 3.
I'm pretty hype. hope to god they don't do a half-and-half thing to try to milk the franchise for another year, but I just know they will... sadly, if they do that, I'll probably not bother getting HBO GO this year, just to not reward the practice of splitting series/movies into chunks for extra money.
If it does turn out that they're ending it this season, then I'm excited to see how it happens. the changes from the books haven't all been great, but if I try to enjoy the series as its own thing, rather than as an adaption, it's alright. Fairly sleazy and prone to trying too hard to shock its audience, but still a fun watch. The business with Stannis aside, none of the changes to save time or condense the plot have been offensively bad to me.
Can't wait to see everyone die.
If it does turn out that they're ending it this season, then I'm excited to see how it happens. the changes from the books haven't all been great, but if I try to enjoy the series as its own thing, rather than as an adaption, it's alright. Fairly sleazy and prone to trying too hard to shock its audience, but still a fun watch. The business with Stannis aside, none of the changes to save time or condense the plot have been offensively bad to me.
Can't wait to see everyone die.
It's drivel now, but at least they're doubling down on the spectacle. I can watch some numbingly stupid eye candy once a week. That's fine.