Gender role double standards

[The_Tron]

Personally I find the double standards within gender roles ridiculous. That said they're still extremely prevalent. Most recently regarding my career there is a facebook group meant for people within the profession to share work experiences and give each other advice. Within that group a woman decided to create a women's only variation. Now had a man done the same thing there would have been a lot of negative feedback. Double standards like this I feel are complete bullshit and while yes there are bigger problems out there, this is still an aspect in society that we should have outgrown.

Accidentally cut my whole "advice section"

Anyway I guess I'm looking for some ways to deal with these kind of double standards constructively without sounding like the person who gets offended by everything.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

Too bad we don't live in society where we can't just call people out on their bullshit.
Would be great wouldn't it?

If we all stood behind and fight against the bullshit but sadly the bee heave effect.

I would make a new facebook account and call them out on it if you could. :b
This way you would take no heat.

 

[eBusiness]

Ignore it, and notice how most women do so too. Except for the rare case where women truly do need an exclusive group for dealing with serious issues that apply only to women, such groups tend to wither and die from redundancy.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

I find it strange that there is (where I live) no men only gym, but there are ladies only ones.

That said, they put up with a lot of crap at normal gyms, so I don't mind.

 

[manic_depressive13]

That's because when a disadvantaged group band together it is empowering, but when the priveleged group band together it is exclusionary. Not to say I agree with what they're doing, but if they are comitting a double standard it is only to combat the double standard in the workforce.

 

[Angie7F]

I think the women tht go to women only gyms and women only organizations are weird.
I am female but I prefer to have a good balance.

So, here is a photo of three women in Japan that think female only train carriages are great, and one that says "I dont really care".
You guess which one is which...

 

[The_Tron]

That's because when a disadvantaged group band together it is empowering, but when the priveleged group band together it is exclusionary. Not to say I agree with what they're doing, but if they are comitting a double standard it is only to combat the double standard in the workforce.

This is a reasonably equal profession with no limitations in terms of gender, skin color, belief or anything else. So long as you can communicate with your co-workers and able to do the job you'll do fine. So no one in the field is actually disadvantaged unless you have an actual disability (physical or mental). And even the field does it's best to accommodate you if you have enough training and experience within the field. So if that's the case it's as though they're trying to make themselves seem disadvantaged or make others believe they're disadvantaged when in fact, they're not. Not even close. The one who actually made the group is about as high up as you can get, only one more level above her and within the field less than 1% of people actually make it that far.

 

[Jinxzy]

I wouldn't pay any attention to it. It could be some issues that a woman feels comfortable only telling other woman, I know there was an issues that I had at my work that came up that was was uncomfortable telling a male boss. So I told one of my female boss, she understood and took care of the issue.

 

[The_Tron]

I just recently checked up on it and there's a number of other members (males and females) calling it a sexist movement. The group has grown significantly still but who knows. At least I don't have to worry about being "that guy" anymore.

 

[eBusiness]

I wouldn't pay any attention to it. It could be some issues that a woman feels comfortable only telling other woman, I know there was an issues that I had at my work that came up that was was uncomfortable telling a male boss. So I told one of my female boss, she understood and took care of the issue.

Is that truly because that boss is female? Or is she just a better person to talk to? If you look around a bit you can probably find some females that you wouldn't want to talk about you personal problems with either. In any case, it is not like a Facebook group would have been any help.

 

[Jinxzy]

I wouldn't pay any attention to it. It could be some issues that a woman feels comfortable only telling other woman, I know there was an issues that I had at my work that came up that was was uncomfortable telling a male boss. So I told one of my female boss, she understood and took care of the issue.

Is that truly because that boss is female? Or is she just a better person to talk to? If you look around a bit you can probably find some females that you wouldn't want to talk about you personal problems with either. In any case, it is not like a Facebook group would have been any help.

It was because of a health issue and I needed to go home, which my bosses are the only ones that can say you can leave. I didn't feel comfortable explaining it to my male boss that I had an ovarian cyst, to me it's a lot more comfortable to talk to a female boss about "lady problems." Also a lot less embarrassing to me as well. I have good relationship with both of them it's just for me "lady problems" are a lot easier to talk to with an actual woman.

 

[TG MLPDashie]

Personally I find the double standards within gender roles ridiculous. That said they're still extremely prevalent. Most recently regarding my career there is a facebook group meant for people within the profession to share work experiences and give each other advice. Within that group a woman decided to create a women's only variation. Now had a man done the same thing there would have been a lot of negative feedback. Double standards like this I feel are complete bullshit and while yes there are bigger problems out there, this is still an aspect in society that we should have outgrown.

Accidentally cut my whole "advice section"

Anyway I guess I'm looking for some ways to deal with these kind of double standards constructively without sounding like the person who gets offended by everything.

I know, I mean why can a woman walk around in a short skirt but when I do it suddenly I have metal issues!!

Joking aside I have to agree with the double standards for both male and females, why can't we all just move past this? it's ok for a group of woman to be exclusively women but when it's something like that I just don't see the point of segregating yourself from other employees just because of your gender.

 

[The_Tron]

A little update. The creator of the group has since changed their mind about it being a women only group after a lot of people pointed out her behavior (she still insists that it was never meant to be a womens only group even though in her original post is says "women only"). The weirdest part I find about it was that she basically said the point of the alternate group would be the exact same as the original. I can understand if there were members that felt discriminated against wanting to branch off but literally the only things the original group do is share work experiences (pictures of equipment provided they're taken legally), help each other find work and just answer general questions about the profession (like regulation differences between countries/provinces). I voiced my opinion to her and a number of other people agreed with what I said and the group hasn't grown anymore.

 

[cori]

I genuinely don't mean to sound hard but from the way your argument is presented OP, you do sound slightly like someone who gets offended a little too easily. I personally don't think making a female only group is breaching any sort of unsaid rules. I wouldn't mind at ALL if a male only group was created in said situation. The group may simply exist for people of the same gender to talk about gender related similar experiences! The reason the woman in this context created the group may have been a simple belief that a "women only" group may be fun to have. I think women generally enjoy banding together more than men and there's nothing wrong with that. My assumptions here may be wildly wrong but I surely hope not. P.s Don't get me wrong, I am completely against double standards in general I just didn't think this was one (intentionally).

 

[Brainpaint]

I think the women tht go to women only gyms and women only organizations are weird.
I am female but I prefer to have a good balance.

So, here is a photo of three women in Japan that think female only train carriages are great, and one that says "I dont really care".
You guess which one is which...

Doesn't work with me. I'm an obese, hairy, pale, Scot. I wouldn't care, either. Because if I encountered a chikan, I'd scream at the git so hard he'd be picking my breakfast out of his eyesockets for a whole year!

 

[Lilani]

EDIT: Whoops, wrong thread. Disregard this.