Grammer on the internet.

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Shakomaru

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Is it a thing to misspell grammar on the internet while talking about it? did I miss that meeting?
 

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Deadlyveggie said:
A) I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse.
B) i helped my uncle jack off a horse

Discuss.
Might want to cite where you stole that comment from.
 

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Yes, grammar can be very important. I'm not entirely sure where the discussion value here. I think that as long as you can understand what someone is saying, the grammar doesn't have to be perfect; I can forgive a few minor errors. In the example, grammar obviously does make a huge difference.
 

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i dont understand why anyone would care. so long as whatever is posted is understandable then does it matter?
 

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carlsberg export said:
i dont understand why anyone would care. so long as whatever is posted is understandable then does it matter?
Because no-one will take you seriously, or even read your post, when you don't try to use decent spelling. If you want to get your opinion across, you're only hurting yourself if you're not using proper grammar.
 

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Deadlyveggie said:
A) I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse.
B) i helped my uncle jack off a horse

Discuss.
Obviously, the critical point is that "jack" in (B) is neither capitalised nor otherwise made distinct from the rest of the sentence. It does not suggest proper noun, and as a result, the less complimentary reading is made more obvious. If it were capitalised, the hypothesised ambiguity would swing the other way, favouring the interpretation that names an individual.

One could forgive the lack of punctuation in such a sentence, especially in isolation. There is not much obvious need for a full-stop when the sentence has some other terminating point, such as the end of a line or a new bullet point. One could also forgive the lack of capitalisation when the rest of the punctuation was in place - "i helped my uncle, jack, off a horse" is in no way ambiguous as to its intended reading.

What seems to be at issue is that with no means of dividing sentences up appropriately, ambiguity comes in to play, and that as a result there is a continued need for the adherence to grammatical convention. But the case under consideration also draws attention to a certain amount of redundancy inherent in said conventions.

This raises the following interesting question: is there such an ambiguity in the sentence "i helped my uncle jack off a horse"? If not, we might wonder whether the internet, as a mode of written communication regulated by typeface conventions, facilitates the use of grammatical rules whose actual syntactic implementation can be personalised. This would be interesting, and kinda cool - it would enable, for instance, replacing capitalisation for proper nouns with hypertext links to a facebook page.
 

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GundamSentinel said:
carlsberg export said:
i dont understand why anyone would care. so long as whatever is posted is understandable then does it matter?
Because no-one will take you seriously, or even read your post, when you don't try to use decent spelling. If you want to get your opinion across, you're only hurting yourself if you're not using proper grammar.
i think its a bit of a bold assumption to say 'no-one' will take you seriously or even read your post but i can understand your point.

you could say that if somebodys not even going to listen because of a minor error in your post are they worth reasoning with?
 

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carlsberg export said:
i dont understand why anyone would care. so long as whatever is posted is understandable then does it matter?
Of course it matters. The Internet is where grammar and spelling go to die. I'm an English tutor at a local high school and however you write online seeps into your day-to-day writing. It's why people no longer know the difference between "everyday" and "every day", for instance. If you grow accustomed to using poor spelling and grammar on the Internet and are on it often enough, it will become habit, but that's the same with any behavior.

Considering that the written word is the primary form of communication on the Internet, I'm surprised it isn't valued more highly than it is. I assume this is true for all languages, not just English, but as I'm predominantly monolingual it's the only one I recognize as being butchered on a regular basis.
 

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Trivea said:
carlsberg export said:
i dont understand why anyone would care. so long as whatever is posted is understandable then does it matter?
Of course it matters. The Internet is where grammar and spelling go to die. I'm an English tutor at a local high school and however you write online seeps into your day-to-day writing. It's why people no longer know the difference between "everyday" and "every day", for instance. If you grow accustomed to using poor spelling and grammar on the Internet and are on it often enough, it will become habit, but that's the same with any behavior.

Considering that the written word is the primary form of communication on the Internet, I'm surprised it isn't valued more highly than it is. I assume this is true for all languages, not just English, but as I'm predominantly monolingual it's the only one I recognize as being butchered on a regular basis.
if you were reading a factual article and it was litterd with errors then yes i totaly agree with you but for something informal like a forum or you tube, it is (in my opinion) like getting upset when someone uses slang in their speech.
 

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carlsberg export said:
i think its a bit of a bold assumption to say 'no-one' will take you seriously or even read your post but i can understand your point.

you could say that if somebodys not even going to listen because of a minor error in your post are they worth reasoning with?
True, but there's a world of difference between a minor error and 'I can haz spelchecks'. It's like primary school, you get points for trying.
 

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carlsberg export said:
Trivea said:
carlsberg export said:
i dont understand why anyone would care. so long as whatever is posted is understandable then does it matter?
Of course it matters. The Internet is where grammar and spelling go to die. I'm an English tutor at a local high school and however you write online seeps into your day-to-day writing. It's why people no longer know the difference between "everyday" and "every day", for instance. If you grow accustomed to using poor spelling and grammar on the Internet and are on it often enough, it will become habit, but that's the same with any behavior.

Considering that the written word is the primary form of communication on the Internet, I'm surprised it isn't valued more highly than it is. I assume this is true for all languages, not just English, but as I'm predominantly monolingual it's the only one I recognize as being butchered on a regular basis.
if you were reading a factual article and it was litterd with errors then yes i totaly agree with you but for something informal like a forum or you tube, it is (in my opinion) like getting upset when someone uses slang in their speech.
Poor grammar makes the author look like an idiot no matter where he may be writing.
 

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fair enough if thats how you feel, i just dont think in some instances it really matters.
so long as the point of the poster gets across and its readable.