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Archemetis

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Now, I'm not very good with starting new and interesting topics, and if this one has already been started (although I've never seen this topic come up in all honesty) Then the admins are free to remove it or my fellow escapees are free to ignore it, either way.

The topic I'm trying to bring forth is one that, doesn't crop up too often in my day-to-day life, but when it does it get's me good and aggitated.

Women.
To elaborate, stupid women who hate men.
To further elaborate, women who hate men because men have screwed them around so much.

Now I can understand that if a woman had been say, Beaten by a former lover and they were left emotionally crippled and mentally scarred from the experience, then yes, it's completely understandble for a woman to hate men, or at least feel great unease around them.

This is not what I'm talking about.
what I'm talking about is an instance I came across today while browsing over facebook, something I do just to get up-to-date with my friends.

I came across a post from a young lady I went to school with reading "Bored as sin, need a man in my life!"

I mean at first I commented with "You have a man in your life almost every week, try maybe not having a man for once?" of course that's off topic, what's on topic is how my post was engulfed by her fellow women just all out slagging off men "THEY'RE ALL PRICKS AND AIN'T WORTH THE EFFORT" "FUCK MEN! WHO NEEDS THEM?!"

It went on like that. Well being the way I am (A nice guy who never get's a break and get's VERY annoyed when he's lumped in with the other dipshits) I decided to say something in response.

Along the lines of:
"you don't get to be a guy without hearing a gathering of women slag off men because they've had a poor sampling, but in the end it really says more for the women's taste then it does for men as a whole, some, admitedly not all, are actually nice guys, we just get a bad rep through association with the complete cock-ends that despite being what they are manage to get the ladies."

To which I got these responses:
"looool yes... the answer to my problem is dnt go 4 tha badboys,, but i always fall 4 em,, dnt fink that will ever change unfortunatly!"
and:
"me 2! fuk them all i say, they ant worth the heartache n im learnin that very quickly lately, xx"

Well to say the least I wasn't amused by this in the slightest, I responded yet again with:
"Yeah, 'cos a woman has never done anything wrong to a man... It's fairly obvious what i'm saying isn't gonna touch base, but here I go, trying again.

We're not all scum, the majority, yes I'll give you that, but not all.

It's exactly like Fleur said, She goes for the idiots who use and abuse and overall treat women like a slab of meat with a dick slot in it, but she's not ever likely to stop doing that, so who's to blame? Men or her? sure we got no right to act like dicks, and the small helping of us who don't act like it REALLY appreciate being overlooked, thanks.

And again it's not like a woman never screwed a man around, So enough with being unjustly righteous when it comes to gender, yeah?"


As I stated in that final comment, I'm not trying to say that men are misunderstood, not all of them anway. I'm just saying that a collective cannot be disliked for the actions of one. If I remenmber rightly, that's how racism works.

I'm not trying to say anything like "Men are scum? Well Women are idiots!" Because there are a good few women with their heads screwed on the right way, the ones that don't go for the "badboys" expecting good results, the ones that can last a week without being filled and thinking it's love.

At the end of the day, women are not anywhere near as perfect as they make themselves out to be and it would be nice to see some more of them take notice of that fact.

The same can be said for men, but right now you're witnessing one of them telling you all now that we are not saints, we're far from it, even the good ones have their moments as any human being does.
If I had the power to apologise on behalf of my gender, I would, provided the opposite sex admitted their mistakes and wrong doings, but that won't happen, ever, on both sides.

But at the very least I ask, women, can you stop lumping all us men together?

Thanks.

Your thoughts on the topic, Escapist?
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
Agreed, I have seen too many women hate all men just for one bad guy.
Women. Who needs them?

On a serious note: Who thinks they have the right to judge half the planet because they have bad taste in men? (And vice versa.)
 

Archemetis

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Pankeyman said:
Yeah, my friend's younger sister hates German people because of the Holocaust. She's not even Jewish and she's never even met a German person. Totally uncalled for.
Essentially the same concept. I was taught to hate German people because apparently it's funny where I come from...
I don't HATE them but I do still laugh about it sometimes. (especially when watching Blackadder).


Another thing that really get's me with some women, is that I've talked to a few that profess that they need to meet a decent man in their lives and stop going for the dickheads, and it's commendable it shows that they're aware, but then they follow on with something like "But there are NO DECENT MEN."

I then inform them that they're TALKING to on about how they don't exist, which then leads me to ask.

"Would you even go for a nice guy if he came along?"

To which they responded:

"No, I really wouldn't."

So i'm sorry, it's understandable that some women haven't grown out of "Meet the badboy to piss off my parents" thing, but when they know they're doing something stupid and actively take steps to fix it, only to cripple themselves at the end because they actually acknowledge that nice men are not to their tastes, well then don't they deserve the misery they bring on themselves? As long as the guy doesn't beat or otherwise murder them and only brings misery with him, then they deserve it, they CHOSE that path, live with the consequences, but please don't blame ALL men for it afterward.
 

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Dude don't apologize. They are fooling you, and if you say sorry then you are letting them get their way. Do you know why almost all women say they hate men? BECAUSE ALMOST ALL WOMEN SAY THEY HATE MEN!!! If you ask a women what she wants in a guy 9/10 wil say something like caring, sensitive, good provider, likes to commuicate, good listener, not afraid of commitment. Do you know why 9/10 women will say that? BECAUSE ALMOST ALL WOMEN SAY THAT!!! If this was true then all the nice caring guys would be out getting laid and the "badboys" wouldn't. So don't feel bad, and don't listen to them, they don't know what they want and you shouldn't try and figure it out for them. They will know once they find it.
 

Kinguendo

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You really think this is the forum to get WOMEN to stop lumping men together? =D
 

Archemetis

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Evil Jak said:
You really think this is the forum to get WOMEN to stop lumping men together? =D
I've seen quite a few female members on this site since I joined up, So yeah, I think it's a good forum for the collective understanding that both genders are inherently flawed and that we should both get off eachother's cases. :D
 

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Oh, and I agree with your points although I stopped caring about 3 years ago and apparently that makes me almost irresistable!?! =D Random women walking up to me and flirting in random places FTW! =D
 

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Archemetis said:
Evil Jak said:
You really think this is the forum to get WOMEN to stop lumping men together? =D
I've seen quite a few female members on this site since I joined up, So yeah, I think it's a good forum for the collective understanding that both genders are inherently flawed and that we should both get off eachother's cases. :D

Yes, there are quite a few females who use this site but the vast majority are male. I actually got into an arguement with a self proclaimed "hardcore femenist" about what she percieved as being sexist. I had to spend an hour informing her how she had a bias mind set toward my comment and had seen what she wanted to see rather than what was there, in the end I won as I had taken a completely nuetral stance as you have.
 
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If I judged every race/creed/gender because of 1 asshole, I would hate the entire human race.
 

Kogarian

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It's funny, I was about to bring up a thread asking if the hate is warranted; hear me out:

I have a friend who was raped when she was younger by an older boyfriend.
I have another one who forced himself on his girlfriend, but stopped after she hit him.
Another one who's own family member felt her up when she was little.

I know it's stupid to generalize for an entire group of people, but do you guys know any other male who violated a girl? Don't get me wrong, most of the girls the OP mentioned are probably dipshits. But I think some girls' reasoning behind it is actual fear, from what they hear from friends, so they lash out against all males because they don't know who to trust.

By the way, I'm the 'brother' figure for a few of my girl friends, and they're the ones who told me this.
 

Archemetis

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Kogarian said:
It's funny, I was about to bring up a thread asking if the hate is warranted; hear me out:

I have a friend who was raped when she was younger by an older boyfriend.
I have another one who forced himself on his girlfriend, but stopped after she hit him.
Another one who's own family member felt her up when she was little.

I know it's stupid to generalize for an entire group of people, but do you guys know any other male who violated a girl? Don't get me wrong, most of the girls the OP mentioned are probably dipshits. But I think some girls' reasoning behind it is actual fear, from what they hear from friends, so they lash out against all males because they don't know who to trust.

By the way, I'm the 'brother' figure for a few of my girl friends, and they're the ones who told me this.
As I stated in the OP, There are cases where genuine distrust or hatred towards men is completely understandable, Those cases right there are a few of them and the men who commit such acts are the ones I feel completely deserving of the hate, but at the same time I feel annoyed because at some point it's almost certain that someone said those girls "Well all men are dicks(or some variation)" If I'm wrong I'll gladly apologise, but it's incredibly likely that i'm not.

I'm sorry to hear about what has happened to these people you know and I hope that whoever did these things to them got more than what was coming to them.
 

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It's scary how far-spread this is, and how many groups of women get accused of being "man-haters" before they open their mouths.

Case in point: For almost a month I was asked why I had given up on men because I'm bisexual... Yeah, I know, crazy.
 

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Archemetis said:
I'm sorry to hear about what has happened to these people you know and I hope that whoever did these things to them got more than what was coming to them.
Something tells me they won't...the people who always cause the hate and mistrust (on either side) never suffer as much as the innocent.
 

ThrobbingEgo

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teacupthesauceror said:
It's scary how far-spread this is, and how many groups of women get accused of being "man-haters" before they open their mouths.

Case in point: For almost a month I was asked why I had given up on men because I'm bisexual... Yeah, I know, crazy.
Feminists get a bad rep too. There are (not a small minority of) people who assume that feminism means bra-burning man-hate.

This thread reminds me of George Orwell's essay AntiSemitism in Britain. Here's a selection:

Intelligent woman, on being offered a book dealing with antisemitism and
German atrocities: "Don't show it me, PLEASE don't show it to me. It'll
only make me hate the Jews more than ever."
http://www.george-orwell.org/AntiSemitism_In_Britian/0.html
 

Archemetis

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teacupthesauceror said:
It's scary how far-spread this is, and how many groups of women get accused of being "man-haters" before they open their mouths.

Case in point: For almost a month I was asked why I had given up on men because I'm bisexual... Yeah, I know, crazy.
If this topic at all made you feel like I was calling all women man-haters, then I apologise, I did try and make it clear that both sides in this are equally as stupid and ignorant as eachother.
 

Erana

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Men have to deal with women generalizing them as jerks, while women have to live with being objectified all the time. (There's more women have to deal with, but I'll spare yall a femenist rant)

The thing is, its just socially encouraged descrimination. Unless I have to have a long-term relationship, I judge and react to people's individual acts, and not hold grudges.
YOu know, snap at them when they're being blatantly disrespectful, but be very friendly if they choose to wave a hello.

That chick was made uncomfortable, so she crawled back into the safety of the social norms she was taught by calling all men pigs. Its pretty much ad hominem.
 

somekindawizard

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To sum it up....

Some girls just attract bad guys. Some dont. Some guys are dicks, some arent.

As far as relationships go im pretty sure you just have to keep trying until you get a match.
 

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Can't spell 'over-react' without 'ovary!'

Well...you can. But it doesn't sound like it when you say it out loud.