Holy crap, Frozen suuuuuucks.

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Drathnoxis

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I finally got around to watching Frozen, and I am completely stunned at how bad it is compared to how good it was hyped up to be. I will be going into complete spoilers so if you haven't seen it, and (for some reason) still want to, GET OUT!

Probably my biggest gripe with this movie is Elsa and her powers, they just make no sense at all. So for all her life, she is struggling to control her power and is completely unable to. The only way she can stop herself from randomly spurting out bursts of frost is to cover her hands with ordinary gloves. This doesn't really make sense as at one point she freezes a lake by stepping on it even though she isn't barefoot, but whatever. The important thing is that she has no control over her power, it just does whatever the heck it wants... That is until she climbs the mountain. Then she has absolute control over her power, she can create intricately designed staircases, floors, and chandeliers. She has so much control that she completely spears an attacking soldier to the wall using icicles without injuring him! If that doesn't require the keenest control over your power I don't know what does. And yet, even though she has such fine control, she is still completely unable to stop herself from somehow freezing the world. How does this even work? Why is she even affecting the city when before now she's needed to be in contact with the things that she freezes. She is so insanely powerful that she is basically an ice god, who can freeze the entire world in an instant. And she was just born like this? Just randomly her parents popped out an ice god? And even though she is an ice god with complete control over her power, she still has absolutely no control over her power. It just doesn't make sense and is never explained.

More than that, why wasn't Elsa ever sent to someone who could teach her to use her powers? The trolls obviously knew a lot about such things, why didn't she study with them? They said it was only going to get worse, but nobody ever thought to take the advice of the mystical wizard creatures that instantly cured the magic ice that Anna got in her eye? On that note, I also thought it was strange that ice to the head was an instant KO for Anna, but the far more deadly ice to the heart took forever to kick in. She's completely fine for like 15 minutes, and then after the song --boom-- she's dying. And the way they fix her blizzard? Love. Ugh, I'm going to puke. This is so cliche and stupid, yeah forget diligent training and self-control, you just need to love someone. This doesn't even make any sense anyway. Why did she confine herself to her room for all those years if not for love of her sister? Obviously she didn't want to hurt Anna again because she loved her.

Now onto my second biggest complaint: Hans. This guy. Like what the heck? For the whole movie he is characterized to be caring, kind, noble, and honorable, everything that a prince should be. Then completely out of nowhere he's suddenly the biggest sociopathic jerk who ever lived. Whatever happened to that old storytelling rule "show, don't tell"? For the whole movie we are shown that he is caring to Anna, and shares interests with her, while also having great chemistry. We are shown that he cares for the people under his rule, personally handing out blankets in the cold and maintaining order. The very second Anna's horse comes back without her he leads a charge into the frozen wasteland to find her. When he meets resistance at the ice palace he does battle with a freaking ice giant, risking life and limb in the hope of rescuing Anna and saving his people. Then when the dukes soldiers are about to kill Elsa, he interferes respecting Anna's love for her sister who is clearly causing a great catastrophe to befall the land. What proof do we have for him being a sociopath? We are simply told that he was just a manipulating douchebag that has no love whatsoever for Anna and just wants power. What? His character just pulls a complete 180. This guy's idea of an easy power grab involved fighting ice giants? Not to mention that he has to be one of the greatest actors ever to pull this off. From this point on he is simply the bad guy and loses all redeeming qualities.

A lot of people say that this movie turns the "love at first sight" trope on its head, but I don't think that's true at all. Hans and Anna's dating montage was far too good at giving the impression that their love was blooming and, personally, the montage made it seem like a fair deal of time had passed. I know it was supposed to be one night, but the montage doesn't give that impression. Also, it's implied that Kristoff hasn't met too many girls, living in the woods by himself, so Anna is probably the first girl he's gotten to know. How is that not the same as Hans and Anna's "love at first sight" or worse, since he's pretty much falling for the first girl he meets. The trolls also try to set them up, simply because she's the first girl he's brought home. Not to mention his whole diatribe against her marrying a guy she's only known a day was way out of line and just reeked of jealousy. It's not like Kristoff knew Anna for longer either. She knew both guys for about a day before deciding she was in love with them. No this movie completely failed at averting the trope, having two loves at first sight isn't really a whole lot more sophisticated that only having one. At least when there is only one, there is some evidence of their devotion. Basically once Kristoff came in as the new love interest the movie didn't know what to do with the old one of Hans and simply made him evil to get rid of him.

Speaking of Anna, I didn't really like her as a character. She was such a giddy moron that I could hardly stand her. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she fell off a balcony and broke her neck on the pavement, the way she was always carelessly dancing around at great heights. She nearly did this before Hans' horse caught her. Also there was that time she cut the supporting rope causing them to fall hundreds of feet, only to emerge completely unharmed, cause "there was snow at the bottom." Yeah, given how popular this movie is I wonder how long it will be until a kid breaks their legs jumping off the roof into a snow pile. Olaf, the brainless snowman was pretty annoying too, and I simply didn't find him to be at all funny.

Finally, the music. I just didn't like it, and I'm a person that likes musicals. There was way too much of it, it was like the movie couldn't go two minutes without breaking into another terrible song for no reason near the beginning. The songs themselves sounded like the same garbage that is heard on the radio all the time and completely lacked the magic of songs from other Disney movies such as The Little Mermaid. Also that Vuelie song at the beginning and end sounded a lot like Yub Nub from Star Wars to me. The songs never seemed to flow naturally in the story and were simply there because Disney movies have songs so they needed to have songs in the movie.

Overall, the story just felt mechanical and never gave enough depth to the characters or plot to make it feel real. I will admit that it was beautifully animated, but what isn't these days?

Holy wall of text, Batman! This got kind of long, didn't it? Anyway, what do you think? Am I right, or do you think that Frozen was actually an excellent well written film?
 

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Sounds like someone needs to build a snowman....

:D

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I dunno, I liked the movie, but I also agree with pretty much every point you made. A lot of it doesn't make sense when you stop to look at it. Some of the songs were really unneeded and would've been just as good if they'd been cut.

I'm just biding my time until Tangled becomes popular again. Viva la Tangled!
 

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a) It's magic, not chemistry, it doesn't have hard rules. If it did it would be boring.

b) Yeah, not a fan of the "love cures everything" business either, but hey, it's a film for little girls.

c) Anna and Kristoff falling in love was a relatively slow process by Disney standards. The love at first sight guy turned out to be a manipulative gold-digger and would-be murderer. Hence the comments of subversion and whatnot.

d) Your remarks about Hans are just hilarious.

Bear in mind, I didn't much care for the film either. (Although I'm nearly the opposite of the target audience.) But it deserves better criticism than you can provide.
 

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sky14kemea said:
Sounds like someone needs to build a snowman....

:D

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I dunno, I liked the movie, but I also agree with pretty much every point you made. A lot of it doesn't make sense when you stop to look at it. Some of the songs were really unneeded and would've been just as good if they'd been cut.

I'm just biding my time until Tangled becomes popular again. Viva la Tangled!
I agree with everything you said. Really!
Viva la Tangled, Indeed!

OT:
When you put it like that, it does sounds very bad.
I still enjoyed though, despite its flaws.
There are times I can suspend my disbelief very well, and other times it really grates.
I suppose it depends on how engaged we are with the topics it concerns.

Captcha: Love is Blind.. Psst, I think it's reading our posts..collecting data..
 

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Yeah, the film was garbage. There were plot holes, that characters were relatively weak, and large parts of the story were contrived for narrative convenience. Why do the villagers treat Elsa like a witch at the start of the film, but then immediately take her back at the end without consequence? Who knows, but it probably had something to do with John Lassiter not being able to think of anything better to do. By Disney standards, the music was rather atrocious. Children deserved better.

Now realize that the film was one of the highest grossing of all time, and that people thoroughly enjoyed it, while Ghibli films routinely bomb in the American box office. Which means that we're going to see a whole lot more of Frozen and its ilk.
 

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Zhukov said:
Bear in mind, I didn't much care for the film either. (Although I'm nearly the opposite of the target audience.) But it deserves better criticism than you can provide.
Could you explain? I'd be interested in hearing your criticism of my criticism.
 

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For one thing it missed the magic touch of Glenn Keane and Alan Menkin.

Maybe this is just me not being into Broadway at all, but the songs were terrible. All of them. Even the one song that at least had an interesting theme ('Fuck the world, I'm gonna be an awesome god') still came off as a friggin' pop song.

Then there's the subversion, which only works against the relationship we're supposed to care about. The movie spends so much time setting up Hans and Kristoff as red herrings that it completely neglects the sister relationship between Anna and Elsa that the movie is actually about. I'm supposed to care about them as sisters, but the movie hardly shows them spending any time together. They're together for a few minutes as kids, and again for a few minutes as young adults, at which point Elsa runs off. I'm sorry, but I need more than just 'They're sister so they love eachother' to care about their relationship.

Than there was the animation, which was adequate at best and wooden at worst. The horses especially moved like ass. The only thing that was impressive was the snow, and that's just a physics engine at work. And beyond that the world just felt... empty and bland.

sky14kemea said:
I'm just biding my time until Tangled becomes popular again. Viva la Tangled!
Indeed!
 

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*Sigh*

You know, I recently just sat through Legend of Oz with my kid brother.

And here I see people are bitching about Frozen...

You know what? I'm gonna say something different. As overhyped and overplayed as Frozen is, it probably deserves it. I'd rather people watch that than some of the actual bad kids movies out there. Some would say there's better things for kids to watch, well, there are far worse things they can be watching, too.

Just to make things clear, though, I really liked Frozen. I still do, and I still think it's a damn good movie. But even if I didn't, I wouldn't really make a thread about it.
 

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Indeed, Frozen is overhyped Western garbage. Western animation should just die out already, since in its shriveled state, its a niche of a niche. Whatever I find myself watching from the West is exclusively from DC or Marvel nowadays...
 

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I'm going to agree with the 'I prefer Tangled' crowd here but even so I liked Frozen. It was corny and cliche and full of all sorts of holes the moment you stopped to think about it, but it was also a fun little adventurous romp for the whole family with a good-hearted message behind it. I can certainly think of worse things than for such a movie to have been successful.

Sung-Hwan said:
Indeed, Frozen is overhyped Western garbage. Western animation should just die out already, since in its shriveled state, its a niche of a niche. Whatever I find myself watching from the West is exclusively from DC or Marvel nowadays...
Frozen has made over $1.2 billion so far and counting, I don't think that quite counts as niche considering it absolutely crushes nearly any competition that might be thrown at it whether that be by other 'western' filmmakers or otherwise.
 

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Hubblignush said:
I do find it weird how adults obsess over movies made for tiny children, and it is a little discouraging.

I haven't seen much of Frozen, but to me it's teh same Disney-schlock they've made since the fucking 30's, not bad enough to get angry about, just boring, uninsprired, unoriginal, silly, stupid and pointless. It is very strange if you sit down to watch it above the age of 10 though, that is weird.
That explains the weird looks I get whenever I go see a Disney movie by myself.

Or any movie by myself actually.... Why all the hate for the loner movie-goers QQ

Either way, it is just the same ol' Disney stuff. Just slightly updated songs, which honestly don't make a difference because they'll be just as outdated in another 30 years. :D
 

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Hubblignush said:
It is very strange if you sit down to watch it above the age of 10 though, that is weird.
So is playing videogames and reading comics according to some.
 

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Sung-Hwan said:
Indeed, Frozen is overhyped Western garbage. Western animation should just die out already, since in its shriveled state, its a niche of a niche. Whatever I find myself watching from the West is exclusively from DC or Marvel nowadays...
What about the newer Pixar movies? Up, Wall-E, Toy Story 3?

Generally well-received and reasonably popular. Fantastic films.
 

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Hubblignush said:
Well, videogames can be made either for children, teens or adults, I don't often play those made for children, and I don't read comics either (or rather, superhero comics that is), so there you go.
Yeah, that doesn't matter. The fact that you're playing a 'game' is enough for others to see it as childish, no matter how mature you think it is. Just as there are people who think it's idiotic that a grown person could see something profound in a cartoon made for kids.
 

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I haven't seen it - is it worth it? I'm really looking for a long string of yes/no posts here rather than lengthy explanation. If it helps, I watched Super 8 the other night and thought it was okay. I also watched Locke and thought it was pretty long and concretey.
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It's a fun animated movie so yes.

Also, talking snowman.