Homeless charities and the red cross all suck

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SsilverR

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I did a test, since I didn't believe my friend about just how useless these organizations actually are.

No second night out are guys that'll basically leave you waiting at a spot all night before fully not ever showing up, Shelter seem to have shops all over the place that accept donations and sell goods but not one place to actually visit and ask for help, went to one of the main offices and not only did they not help, they couldn't point me to anywhere that could (lol) centre point... don't even get me started.

The funniest parts were when I sent each charity 2 different e-mails ... 1. asking for help as a homeless person, 2. asking to donate

I've not heard back from any of them as a homeless dude (been 5 days) but the "can I donate" e-mails were replied almost instantly ROTFL

Cherry on the icing was when we allowed ourselves to be stopped by 4 people from the red cross and even after explaining that we were homeless ... all 4 still pushed for our credit card information.

What are these things and where is everyones money going?
 

Strazdas

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Well, red cross is more to do with medicine than shelter for homeless anyway. As for the others, have never tried to experiment.
A large sum (20-50% depending on a charity, 5% on a "great" ones) goes to administrative costs actually, which is kinda defeatist if half of your donation goes just to organize such donation. especially with the amount of volunteers (multiple times i saw people go off to volunteer in africa no less, asking for no pay, just food and shelter).

That being said, at least you got Red cross, never saw it in my country, as far as legal registration goes it does not work in my coutnry (only 7 charities that are considered "good examples" do anyway).
actually at one point it was very close for me to getting a job as an accountant for a big charity company here, had i done that i could have told you more numbers.
 

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You should never donate to any charities, just keep all the money for yourself, it's more fun that way :)
 

IronMit

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More recently they don't ask for your card details on the street....they ask for your number.
Then a telesales guy calls you up and reads from a sheet.
Out comes the perfectly engineered emotional blackmail...then they ask for £12 a month. Just so they can drop it to £6. and then when you reject both it's a more reasonable £2. The £2 is nothing compared to the £12 they started with so you are even more likely to go for it.
 

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FreedomofInformation said:
The icing on the cake is the charities that are supposed to help people out of poverty but use people forced to work for them for free or else they get their benefits cut.
Exactly this. Its upsetting how so few people know this is happening. Hell Salvation army have been targeted by boycott workfare protest groups recently, and speaking of the British heart foundation...they dive at the opportunity for free labour funded by the taxpayer.

Charities just don't seem to be what they once were, and it is generally quite worrying not to mention upsetting. Making a profit seems to be higher on the priority table then actually helping people it seems.
 

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It seems to me that they offer short-term support but do not attempt to solve the problem itself, by creating permanent residence for the homeless people, however small, or helping stop being being homeless in the first place.
Talking of charities, I support Greenpeace because you know they try to make a difference. The posts on the internet and social sites, the stuff they send to you, the fact they get in the news frequently for making a stand. It's not one big charity but lots of groups uniting under one banner.
 

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RedLister said:
FreedomofInformation said:
The icing on the cake is the charities that are supposed to help people out of poverty but use people forced to work for them for free or else they get their benefits cut.
Exactly this. Its upsetting how so few people know this is happening. Hell Salvation army have been targeted by boycott workfare protest groups recently, and speaking of the British heart foundation...they dive at the opportunity for free labour funded by the taxpayer.

Charities just don't seem to be what they once were, and it is generally quite worrying not to mention upsetting. Making a profit seems to be higher on the priority table then actually helping people it seems.
ain't no fun for them either, some countries even tax charities, driving the cost up even further, which just seems criminal to me.

I think the problem is a combination of unfortunate government welfare policies and these organizations growing way too big to stay cost-efficient.
also, they're not meant to get people out of poverty, just make a life in poverty more bearable.

Unless you're the red cross, then it's mostly helping the sick and wounded, building schools and hospitals and such.
 

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Charities are a business now. How are you going to keep your business afloat if you actually remove the reason you exist? Once nobody is homeless, everyone is fed and everyone is safe these businesses are going under and going under fast. Thing is I doubt any of those issues will be solved completely for a very very long time.

Keep the money rolling in, boys!
 

lacktheknack

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Try coming to Canada. I was part of a Salvation Army thing where they made a big vat of chili with banana bread and handed it out to whoever wanted some... mostly homeless people who come for it every week.

I was also part of a few other charity outreaches that do nothing but good with the donations (Hope Mission serving food while relying on donations, another Salvation Army outreach that handed out clothing, The Mustard Seed Church running cheap/free day care, etc).

And now I know which charities I can donate to safely. Wins all around.
 

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I don't like how aggressive charities are getting. If I walk down the high street in my local town there will be people with clip boards pushing to get donations.
I wouldn't have a problem with it but no means NO!!

Besides I'm not gunna hand out my bank/card details to a stranger in the street!
 

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SsilverR said:
The funniest parts were when I sent each charity 2 different e-mails ... 1. asking for help as a homeless person, 2. asking to donate

I've not heard back from any of them as a homeless dude (been 5 days) but the "can I donate" e-mails were replied almost instantly
Well, and maybe I'm wrong, but I bet they don't often get emails from homeless people. There aren't always internet cafes in a place, and a homeless with either a laptop or phone capable of emails isn't common. Not to mention that homeless are often computer illiterate.
 

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In the US the situation is absolutely the worst, it is the essence of everything that is wrong with capitalism the world over. Charities don't help people out of poverty or homelessness (particularly the most vulnerable sections of the poor/working class) they simply sap millions of dollars to put a tiny bandage over broken bones, sickness and a gaping wound that any other nation would at least attempt to treat.

In the U.S it seens taboo to say 'the system is shit and charities don't help'. To suggest this makes both liberals and conservatives uncomfortable. Both advocate for 'free market alternatives' with some government intervention (usually on the side of private sector or a mix of private/public profit over human beings).
 

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Johanthemonster666 said:
In the US the situation is absolutely the worst, it is the essence of everything that is wrong with capitalism the world over. Charities don't help people out of poverty or homelessness (particularly the most vulnerable sections of the poor/working class) they simply sap millions of dollars to put a tiny bandage over broken bones, sickness and a gaping wound that any other nation would at least attempt to treat.

In the U.S it seens taboo to say 'the system is shit and charities don't help'. To suggest this makes both liberals and conservatives uncomfortable. Both advocate for 'free market alternatives' with some government intervention (usually on the side of private sector or a mix of private/public profit over human beings).
That's because we don't actually have a liberal party in the US anymore. We have a center right party, a further to the right party, and if you look at the closest thing we have to a viable third party, a way the hell to the right party. Liberalism is functionally dead in the US. There are liberals who live in the country, but they're pretty much excluded from politics.
 

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SsilverR said:
I did a test, since I didn't believe my friend about just how useless these organizations actually are.

No second night out are guys that'll basically leave you waiting at a spot all night before fully not ever showing up, Shelter seem to have shops all over the place that accept donations and sell goods but not one place to actually visit and ask for help, went to one of the main offices and not only did they not help, they couldn't point me to anywhere that could (lol) centre point... don't even get me started.

The funniest parts were when I sent each charity 2 different e-mails ... 1. asking for help as a homeless person, 2. asking to donate

I've not heard back from any of them as a homeless dude (been 5 days) but the "can I donate" e-mails were replied almost instantly ROTFL

Cherry on the icing was when we allowed ourselves to be stopped by 4 people from the red cross and even after explaining that we were homeless ... all 4 still pushed for our credit card information.

What are these things and where is everyones money going?
I don't think you understand how these things work.

First Red Cross is a medical disaster charity, not a homeless program. They show up to scenes of disaster and provide medical assistance to those who need it on scene. For example, when my apartment building burned down, they arrived within minutes after the firetrucks. They provided water, blankets, and oxygen on scene to any who needed it.

As for Homeless shelters, I actually have volunteered at a few. Before you cast a judgement on a homeless shelter, I propose you do the same. First, the biggest problem with Homeless shelters is they are extremely underfunded and they help on a first come first serve basis, on a "who is in the greatest need" and generally they help families with children first. Yes, they will actually make a single person leave to make room for a family with children. Basically it works like this, they take people until they reach firecode capacity. Once they reach firecode capacity they have to turn people away. The law forces them to do this. They usually try to give them other resources and information where they might go, but if they are already aware that all shelters are beyond capacity( which is usually the case) they can provide a blanket, and possible a box if they have blankets and boxes available and tell them to try and keep safe. That isn't because they don't care, that is because they do not have any more space or resources available. I would not expect a homeless shelter to respond to an email, because the truth is, if you have somewhere that has a roof over it and internet access, you are in a much better position trying to stay there than you are trying to come to a shelter. If you have internet access from anywhere, you are better off than 99% of the people coming into the shelter. If you have phone access, you are better off than 99% of the people coming into the shelter. The shelter is a last resort, and do not expect to get help from one unless you go in person. Even sleeping in that persons back yard is BETTER than a shelter. Shelters are not fun places to go, they also have to try to screen you to try and reduce crime at the shelters and protect the people there. That is if you can even find a homeless shelter. The lack of funding is why we also have tent cities popping up everywhere. The few that are actually able to keep their doors open have so many people trying to get in them, there is no possible way to help them all. Most shelters have a waiting list, even for families because they already are full of families, and have to force out families who have had a roof over their head longer than those who have been waiting in the streets.

Before casting judgement on these organizations, you should try to volunteer for them and see first hand where your money is going.

FYI- They probably still pushed for credit card info because they knew you were BS'ing them about being homeless. From actually examining actual homeless people vs those that have been well cared for it is not very hard to tell which is which. Living on the streets is extremely hard on ones health.
 

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Tom_green_day said:
It seems to me that they offer short-term support but do not attempt to solve the problem itself, by creating permanent residence for the homeless people, however small, or helping stop being being homeless in the first place.
Talking of charities, I support Greenpeace because you know they try to make a difference. The posts on the internet and social sites, the stuff they send to you, the fact they get in the news frequently for making a stand. It's not one big charity but lots of groups uniting under one banner.
The programs that are offering permanant housing are extremely underfunded as well and lack both funds, and volunteers. They do exist, but the waiting list is extreme.
Programs such as this :
http://www.rockwallhabitat.org/

Do exist, the issue is the problem is bigger than the manpower and funding can handle.
 

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Vilealbaniandwarf said:
Charities are like a cancer. The more you feed them the more they grow.

Take a look at Oxfam some time. District managers get a big wage and a company car. They even get people in to give the VOLUNTEERS prep talks on upselling.
I'm sorry but that is a terrible way of looking at this. There are many good charities that actually solve problems and help people. Just because there are people preying upon these people and using them, does not mean that ALL charities do so, and to suggest such is clearly false. The MANY medical charities save lives, and if you actually volunteered at an actual homeless shelter, you would see exactly the impact this has on many lives.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Try coming to Canada. I was part of a Salvation Army thing where they made a big vat of chili with banana bread and handed it out to whoever wanted some... mostly homeless people who come for it every week.

I was also part of a few other charity outreaches that do nothing but good with the donations (Hope Mission serving food while relying on donations, another Salvation Army outreach that handed out clothing, The Mustard Seed Church running cheap/free day care, etc).

And now I know which charities I can donate to safely. Wins all around.
Ya that is the impression I always got at least here in Canada. I know people who volunteer at churches which give away food and clothing all the time to help the homeless or less fortunate. Hell my Mom's family once got support from the church to help things meet when she was a child.
 

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I try to block them from my mind as it's a situation I never, ever want to be in again or even be reminded of them. I seriously doubt they will ever respond to such an email as they have nothing to say to you because they have plenty of desperate people coming to them in person.