I'm 24 and I own a Wii...

[DannyDamage]

So what's with this stupid stereotype of all Wii owners being 5 years old?

To be fair, I could take pretty obvious shots at the mentality of the other console owners

XBOX360 - Joy, have a shed load of the same games, redesigned from the same FPS' (not gunna name it) engine. Not trying anything new, just repetition again and again for easily amused, beer swilling students gawking at the shiny graphics and mashing the 'bullets go bang' button. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

PS3 - Well, apart from the same shiny graphics statement as the XB360, it's all about the name really isn't it? Most people have a Sony cd player or TV or DVD player or something in their house already and when people have NO FUCKING CLUE about technology, they just stick with whatever they've already got, whatever the bloke in Curry's suggests, or the one with the most adverts on the TV. Again, not the smartest of methods really.

Now before people start posting thinking I'm slating the other 2 consoles, I'm not.

I'm simply trying to see why Nintendo (and it's owners) get this specific comment a lot. Most of my friends that have children have a PS3 actually, because it looks like something from spiderman. From what I've seen, most younger children just get frustrated with the Wii-motes.

Nintendo have been making consoles for as long as some of us have been alive and AT LEAST they're trying new things AND with the DS too. Where as Microsoft and Sony just paid their way into a market that they wanted to get in on and imitated pre-existing consoles.

I've still got all my old Nintendo consoles (from nes to cube) and each one is a great improvement from the previous one. What do you get with Xbox? Pah, a glorified PC in a trendy box with a set specification from one quarter of a year. Little upgrades really.

Time has shown how quickly PC technology goes out of date and I'm baffled to how 'all of these grown ups' buy an Xbox and don't realize this pretty obvious fact.

IMO, there's really no need for an Xbox. PC gaming offers everything it's console counterpart does (if not more), especially with the price of decent desktops and laptops in this day and age.

 

[The Wooster]

To put it into perspective mate, and I mean no offense here, you're 24, you own a wii and you're really into Dragon Ball Z. The stereotype, alas, still stands.

 

[Quoth]

I'm 35 and I own a Wii.. But my mate bought his kids over at the weekend, and I've never seen any adult have as much fun with the Wii (Carnivale and Kart) as the 8 year old did.

 

[DannyDamage]

To put it into perspective mate, and I mean no offense here, you're 24, you own a wii and you're really into Dragon Ball Z. The stereotype, alas, still stands.

Hmmm, and I assume that because you've watched the american or english dubs of DBZ that means I obviously do as well?

EDIT: And it's not just DB. It's the whole 'journey to the west' story I like. Monkey included.

 

[The Wooster]

To put it into perspective mate, and I mean no offense here, you're 24, you own a wii and you're really into Dragon Ball Z. The stereotype, alas, still stands.

Hmmm, and I assume that because you've watched the american or english dubs of DBZ that means I obviously do as well?

Funny you should mention that. I've been a fan of Toriyama's work since Dr Slump and watch all my anime subbed. The old 'oh the sub ruined it' argument won't work on me. It's still childish swill regardless of the language.

 

[DannyDamage]

To put it into perspective mate, and I mean no offense here, you're 24, you own a wii and you're really into Dragon Ball Z. The stereotype, alas, still stands.

Hmmm, and I assume that because you've watched the american or english dubs of DBZ that means I obviously do as well?

Funny you should mention that. I've been a fan of Toriyama's work since Dr Slump and watch all my anime subbed. The old 'oh the sub ruined it' argument won't work on me. It's still childish swill regardless of the language.

The sub didn't ruin it? Then you'll have no problem with me calling you a 'great aunt sally' or whatever that god-awful line was that kept coming out of Vegeta's mouth when he got angry, obviously really angry.

 

[rossatdi]

Well I have a Wii and an Xbox 360. I love FPSs and have a full time professional job.

Nintendo gets its stereotype because its actively looking for its audience amongst the family orientated, casual gamer market. It's repetitively trotted out stable of characters are all childish, and at best put into games that aren't as good as previous versions of themselves.

As a console it has a handful of mature games (RE4, House of the Dead 2&3, No More Heroes, Red Steel) and a few more planned (the new House of the Dead, the adapted Dead Rising, Mad World). For hardcore (and I hate using that word) gamers there's not a lot to keep them going. For a console that could reinvent the FPS genre we got the lacklustre Red Steel and little else.

The attraction in something like a 360 or a PS3 is that you know you're going to get lots of big releases for 3-5 years. And although they're not as powerful as PCs games are built specifically for their hardware, so there is less need to worry about drivers and etc etc. For £200 I am happy playing games on a 360 compared to £750 at least for a half decent PC.

 

[curlycrouton]

there's really no need for an Xbox. PC gaming offers everything it's console counterpart does (if not more), especially with the price of decent desktops and laptops in this day and age.

Hmmm....
Many people I know, including me, have had countless problems with bugs, crashes, etc. on our PCs and which if i was a computer genius i could fix, but sadly I'm not, as are many gamers. I think PCs WOULD be the best if they were a LOT more reliable and much, much simpler to use, but as it stands they're not.
Don't get me wrong, they are without doubt the best platform BUT only if you know how to use it properly/fix problems etc.
just an example: 8 out of my 24 games dont function properly. all 20 of my Xbox games work fine, no problems.

 

[The Wooster]

To put it into perspective mate, and I mean no offense here, you're 24, you own a wii and you're really into Dragon Ball Z. The stereotype, alas, still stands.

Hmmm, and I assume that because you've watched the american or english dubs of DBZ that means I obviously do as well?

Funny you should mention that. I've been a fan of Toriyama's work since Dr Slump and watch all my anime subbed. The old 'oh the sub ruined it' argument won't work on me. It's still childish swill regardless of the language.

The sub didn't ruin it? Then you'll have no problem with me calling you a 'great aunt sally' or whatever that god-awful line was that kept coming out of Vegeta's mouth when he got angry, obviously really angry.

If you were turning into a blonde badly animated hulk at the time It'd probably be the last thing I noticed actually.

Allow me to summarize DBZ for you.

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[DannyDamage]

Well I have a Wii and an Xbox 360. I love FPSs and have a full time professional job.

Nintendo gets its stereotype because its actively looking for its audience amongst the family orientated, casual gamer market. It's repetitively trotted out stable of characters are all childish, and at best put into games that aren't as good as previous versions of themselves.

As a console it has a handful of mature games (RE4, House of the Dead 2&3, No More Heroes, Red Steel) and a few more planned (the new House of the Dead, the adapted Dead Rising, Mad World). For hardcore (and I hate using that word) gamers there's not a lot to keep them going. For a console that could reinvent the FPS genre we got the lacklustre Red Steel and little else.

The attraction in something like a 360 or a PS3 is that you know you're going to get lots of big releases for 3-5 years. And although they're not as powerful as PCs games are built specifically for their hardware, so there is less need to worry about drivers and etc etc. For £200 I am happy playing games on a 360 compared to £750 at least for a half decent PC.

I get the family thing with all the wii fit crap and that lot, but it's the "casual" gamer part I get confused with at times. To me, casual means something that I can pick up and play for 30 mins before the repetition drives me insane. This would (to me) be FPS', which isn't one of the Wii's specialties.

I guess it's all just a matter or preference but I find a lot of the newer gamers just take shots at Nintendo because they're seen as the old people of the console race - not the hip, young, new kid that just started college and can drink a beer whilst doing a headstand against a wall.

 

[DannyDamage]

Toriyama made fun of his own work already. If you can't make fun of yourself, who can you make fun of?

Sorry dude, but I prefer the whole deep, spiritual, time-taking, chi-raising style of DBZ compared to the majority of anime crap that comes out consisting of either guns, tits or some dude jumping inside one giant robot to go and fight with another dude....who's also inside a giant robot.

EDIT: I am pretty gutted that they're gunna ruin it (further in your eyes) by doing a live action film. *sigh* can't they just leave things alone. Spielberg's even doing a remake of Ghost In The Shell, for whatever reason. Not that I'm a HUGE fan of it, but I know it's gunna piss off a LOT of people.

 

[The Wooster]

Toriyama made fun of his own work already. If you can't make fun of yourself, who can you make fun of?

Sorry dude, but I prefer the whole deep, spiritual, time-taking, chi-raising style of DBZ compared to the majority of anime crap that comes out consisting of either guns, tits or some dude jumping inside one giant robot to go and fight with another dude....who's also inside a giant robot.

EDIT: I am pretty gutted that they're gunna ruin it (further in your eyes) by doing a live action film. *sigh* can't they just leave things alone. Spielberg's even doing a remake of Ghost In The Shell, for whatever reason. Not that I'm a HUGE fan of it, but I know it's gunna piss off a LOT of people.

Actually I figure it might be tolerable. DBZ's shitty plot was just the icing on the cake. It was the downright horrendous animation that always threw me off.

 

[rossatdi]

It's the "casual" gamer part I get confused with at times. To me, casual means something that I can pick up and play for 30 mins before the repetition drives me insane. This would (to me) be FPS', which isn't one of the Wii's specialties.

I guess it's all just a matter or preference but I find a lot of the newer gamers just take shots at Nintendo because they're seen as the old people of the console race - not the hip, young, new kid that just started college and can drink a beer whilst doing a headstand against a wall.

FPS for 30 minutes pick up and play? Not the typical FPS player experience. I'm not into all night WoW grinds but I've had my fair share of late night online frag-fests.

Nintendo is seen as the old man of the console war because its seems like an old man even when its trying to do something new. It develops a new interface mechanism to revolutionise gaming then releases Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers, Mario Football, (i think) Mario Slugger is due out soon. I'm taking a page from Yahtzee's book here but once they learned a new trick they seemed so impressed with themselves they could just re-release all their games again.

 

[rossatdi]

Oh, and take the DBZ debate to the off topic forum. I loved that show as a 14 year old when I got into anime but that was 9 years ago. I've grown up and made the leap to realise that there are some anime gems but the vast majority of it, like most mediums, is bullcrap.

Pretentiously competing over who likes the 'right' version of DBZ is stupid, it's all ridiculous.

And by the way:

My god, he's so powerful.

 

[DannyDamage]

It's the "casual" gamer part I get confused with at times. To me, casual means something that I can pick up and play for 30 mins before the repetition drives me insane. This would (to me) be FPS', which isn't one of the Wii's specialties.

I guess it's all just a matter or preference but I find a lot of the newer gamers just take shots at Nintendo because they're seen as the old people of the console race - not the hip, young, new kid that just started college and can drink a beer whilst doing a headstand against a wall.

FPS for 30 minutes pick up and play? Not the typical FPS player experience. I'm not into all night WoW grinds but I've had my fair share of late night online frag-fests.

Nintendo is seen as the old man of the console war because its seems like an old man even when its trying to do something new. It develops a new interface mechanism to revolutionise gaming then releases Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers, Mario Football, (i think) Mario Slugger is due out soon. I'm taking a page from Yahtzee's book here but once they learned a new trick they seemed so impressed with themselves they could just re-release all their games again.

Like Nintendo are the only ones to have done this though? Xbox have had 2 consoles and they've managed to churn out 3 Halo games already.

Also, I'm not going to defend Mario (that whore) but I will say that if you play the Zelda games, they're not all that similar TBH (ignore the CDI ones as they were just abysmal)

LOZ:TP is an awesome game. Great gameplay, story, action, puzzles, music, graphics. People will respond to this "yeah but it's just saving zelda again" and that's fine, if you want to not play the games and think that, go ahead.

I can enjoy FPS' for longer periods if playing multiplayer (with friends), I have no idea how many hours we lost playing Goldeneye when it came out. But looking back on how much I played that, I really don't get pulled into most FPS' today..............or wow, to answer that part of your comment.

 

[DannyDamage]

Oh, and take the DBZ debate to the off topic forum. I loved that show as a 14 year old when I got into anime but that was 9 years ago. I've grown up and made the leap to realise that there are some anime gems but the vast majority of it, like most mediums, is bullcrap.

Pretentiously competing over who likes the 'right' version of DBZ is stupid, it's all ridiculous.

And by the way:

My god, he's so powerful.

Sorry, I didn't start discussing DBZ. Someone else brought it up. I shall mention it no more.

 

[poleboy]

Nintendo is seen as the old man of the console war because its seems like an old man even when its trying to do something new. It develops a new interface mechanism to revolutionise gaming then releases Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Brothers, Mario Football, (i think) Mario Slugger is due out soon. I'm taking a page from Yahtzee's book here but once they learned a new trick they seemed so impressed with themselves they could just re-release all their games again.

New plot and new characters do not make a better game. How different is Halo 3 really when compared to Quake? Nintendo has some archetypes that star in their games again and again. They've always been very focused on gameplay over storytelling and I suppose you could blame them for that. But the argument that their running series is just a re-release of previous installments just isn't true. When I play a new Zelda or Mario game I can recognize the characters and the story, but I rarely feel like I'm doing something I've already done once before.

 

[rossatdi]

I'm rarely called upon to do this but Halo's 3 games kind of work as a long running thing (god knows you need to play them back to back to get a decent run out of it). Luckily we won't have to suffer another Halo game for many a year.

Also I don't buy the 'samey' FPS argument. Half Life 2, Call of Duty 4, Halo 3 , Unreal 3. Whilst all being sequels we have HL2 an its episodes that I've used to convert people to FPS games and is just staggeringly above most games in terms of gameplay and story (subtly told inside of beating you over the head with exposition). Call of Duty 4 has a staggeringly good and varied single player game and what is becoming the most popular xbox live shooter. Halo 3 might have its faults but its definitely looks different (ie brighter) than other FPSs out there. Unreal 3 is still the daddy of death matching, and has its own unique look and style

I looked at LoZ:TP for ten minutes whilst my brother was playing and decided I didn't want to do slightly different puzzles in the same world, with the same characters and same creatures.

 

[Logan Keller]

who really needs a console when you have a PC

 

[rossatdi]

As for Nintendo's focus on gameplay... I was happily playing Metroid Prime 3: Corruption on my Wii. I was thinking to myself, this is pretty good, puzzles are okay, bit over easy, at least the poor graphics are interesting. Then BAM I hit the brick wall that is the fetch quest. Apparently there were 10 power cores (or something) that were liberally spread around the levels I had previously visited that I now had to return to and search out. No Metroid, no I don't, classic bad game design. I'm naturally someone who searches every nook and cranny for power ups but to be told I had to go and do it know my new skills allowed me to access one extra corridor was a huge "hell no" moment.

Seeing as they've shipped Mario Kart down the river with the 'games for the mentally handicapped' paddle and Super Smash Brothers is the most laughable 'fighting' game I've ever played - I'm struggling to see nintendo's dedication to gameplay.