Injustice 2 big rant: the roster got me away from the game

[Nature Guardian]

There, I said it.

A quick recap:

- I absolutely adored the MK reboot (MK9)

- I loved Injustice (playable Lobo!!!!)

- MK10 convinced me to buy a PS4

- I even got MKXL


....So when they announced Injustice 2, of course I was interested.

But, for the first time since MK9, Netherrealm has made a game that managed to NOT get me interested.

First we got the usual predictable roster: Superman, Batman, Supergirl, ok, standard stuff.

But then I was hoping for the cool stuff to arrive: Etrigan? Constantine? Guy Gardner? Lobo again? Why, maybe even Hitman?

But none of that arrived.

Out of the entire cast, the ONLY character I like is Brainiac.

But, above everything, I just really can't get over the double cast: Superman and Supergirl, Catwoman and Cheetah, Swamp Thing and Poison Ivy..... that's a way to waste character slots!! I know that Netherrealm must've clearly intended for a double-cast thing, but it just feels like a waste of space that could be occupied by a more diverse roster.

And why would Scarecrow even be fit for a fighting game? Really?

And let's not even get to the part that the beta was only ever available for North America. There's a bad joke about Trump administration hiding here.

 

[Saelune]

Mortal Kombat 9 is called Mortal Kombat X. Mortal Kombat 8 wasnt a reboot, it was a change the past in lore deal.

Mortal Kombat vs DC is not a MAIN game in the series. That is where the number discrepancy comes in.

MK1 - 1
MK2 - 2
MK3 - 3
MK4 - 4
Deadly Alliance 5
Deception - 6
Armageddon - 7
Mortal Kombat (2011) - 8
MKX - 9

Also http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ed-boon-explains-how-to-say-mortal-kombat-x/1100-6420126/

It is "Ex" not "Ten".

As for Injustice 2...well, I dont care for DC like I do Marvel, so it is hard for me to care either way for characters. I just hope it plays better and has a block button this time.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

They've revealed maybe only half the roster so far, which I think is supposed to be their biggest one yet.

While it may be annoying to have all the doubles, how the heck do you expect them to fit in characters like Lobo or Guy Gardner (who is almost definitely going to be a skin, John Stewart has been confirmed already) into the plot? You know, without making it Mortal Kombat levels of stupid.

Just like all the "cool" (cool I suppose meaning unexpected or obscure) characters in Injustice 1, I expect all the fan favorites that could not be crammed into the story mode to be put in through DLC.

 

[Aerosteam]

Mortal Kombat 9 is called Mortal Kombat X. Mortal Kombat 8 wasnt a reboot, it was a change the past in lore deal.

Mortal Kombat vs DC is not a MAIN game in the series. That is where the number discrepancy comes in.

MK1 - 1
MK2 - 2
MK3 - 3
MK4 - 4
Deadly Alliance 5
Deception - 6
Armageddon - 7
Mortal Kombat (2011) - 8
MKX - 9

Also http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ed-boon-explains-how-to-say-mortal-kombat-x/1100-6420126/

It is "Ex" not "Ten".

Except the X totally means 10 though.

 

[Saelune]

Mortal Kombat 9 is called Mortal Kombat X. Mortal Kombat 8 wasnt a reboot, it was a change the past in lore deal.

Mortal Kombat vs DC is not a MAIN game in the series. That is where the number discrepancy comes in.

MK1 - 1
MK2 - 2
MK3 - 3
MK4 - 4
Deadly Alliance 5
Deception - 6
Armageddon - 7
Mortal Kombat (2011) - 8
MKX - 9

Also http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ed-boon-explains-how-to-say-mortal-kombat-x/1100-6420126/

It is "Ex" not "Ten".

Except the X totally means 10 though.

Probably because they gave up trying to sway all the people who cant count.

 

[sageoftruth]

There, I said it.

A quick recap:

- I absolutely adored the MK reboot (MK9)

- I loved Injustice (playable Lobo!!!!)

- MK10 convinced me to buy a PS4

- I even got MKXL


....So when they announced Injustice 2, of course I was interested.

But, for the first time since MK9, Netherrealm has made a game that managed to NOT get me interested.

First we got the usual predictable roster: Superman, Batman, Supergirl, ok, standard stuff.

But then I was hoping for the cool stuff to arrive: Etrigan? Constantine? Guy Gardner? Lobo again? Why, maybe even Hitman?

But none of that arrived.

Out of the entire cast, the ONLY character I like is Brainiac.

But, above everything, I just really can't get over the double cast: Superman and Supergirl, Catwoman and Cheetah, Swamp Thing and Poison Ivy..... that's a way to waste character slots!! I know that Netherrealm must've clearly intended for a double-cast thing, but it just feels like a waste of space that could be occupied by a more diverse roster.

And why would Scarecrow even be fit for a fighting game? Really?

And let's not even get to the part that the beta was only ever available for North America. There's a bad joke about Trump administration hiding here.

I actually see some potential with Scarecrow. I don't know anything about his in-game abilities at the moment, but I'm picturing a character who can transform and grows more powerful by injecting his fear toxin in his opponent. Since it distorts his opponent's perception of reality, the game could having him shift from a guy in a weird outfit to an actual monster with new moves. That would be pretty cool, especially if it was a multi-stage transformation.

Still, what he'll be capable of from the start is an issue, since as you said, he's not much of a combatant. If anything, this game mechanic would allow them to make him weaker than everyone else at the start of the fight.

Of course we still haven't seen what they actually did do with his character just yet.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Personally, as a person who is into Guilty Gear and Blazblue, a lot of Injustice turns me off the game. It seems unbalanced, very simplistic in mechanical interaction and those just turn me off

Granted, my japan bias is very present so take my words with a grain of salt. Though, if Arc System Works does do something with the DC universe, i might bite

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Personally, as a person who is into Guilty Gear and Blazblue, a lot of Injustice turns me off the game. It seems unbalanced, very simplistic in mechanical interaction and those just turn me off

Granted, my japan bias is very present so take my words with a grain of salt. Though, if Arc System Works does do something with the DC universe, i might bite

The main issue with NRS games is how you can't actually hitconfirm, you have to commit to a hit string, hit or miss, since there's very small cancel windows between buttons, if it hits you just do the combo, if not you get punishd or you are safe depending on what you end it with, but you always have to just do something, mindlessly, hoping it hits.


Also, there's an issue with the way the hit strings work because you have a very limited amount of normals to utilize in neutral. Say you wanna use the move that occurs when you hit punch 3 times, that third punch. You just can't use that move in neutral, you have to use the first two punches, meaning that when in neutral only the starting hit of each hit string is usable, the others might as well not exist for anything outside of blockstrings or combos.


When you combine lack of hitconfirming with lack of neutral options, the game will feel dumbed down to someone coming from Japanese airdashers.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

There, I said it.

A quick recap:

- I absolutely adored the MK reboot (MK9)

- I loved Injustice (playable Lobo!!!!)

- MK10 convinced me to buy a PS4

- I even got MKXL


....So when they announced Injustice 2, of course I was interested.

But, for the first time since MK9, Netherrealm has made a game that managed to NOT get me interested.

First we got the usual predictable roster: Superman, Batman, Supergirl, ok, standard stuff.

But then I was hoping for the cool stuff to arrive: Etrigan? Constantine? Guy Gardner? Lobo again? Why, maybe even Hitman?

But none of that arrived.

Out of the entire cast, the ONLY character I like is Brainiac.

But, above everything, I just really can't get over the double cast: Superman and Supergirl, Catwoman and Cheetah, Swamp Thing and Poison Ivy..... that's a way to waste character slots!! I know that Netherrealm must've clearly intended for a double-cast thing, but it just feels like a waste of space that could be occupied by a more diverse roster.

And why would Scarecrow even be fit for a fighting game? Really?

And let's not even get to the part that the beta was only ever available for North America. There's a bad joke about Trump administration hiding here.

I'd rather have only Swamp Thing and no Ivy. But Swamp Thing is one of my favorite characters. There's a rumor that Dr. Fate is going to be a playable character, and if that's true that would be fucking rad. Also, Gorilla Grodd and Atrocitus is going to be in the game, so that's cool for me. I would like to see Booster Gold, Plastic Man, Larfleeze, Mister Miracle, Orion, Stargirl, Mister Terrific, Black Lightning, and damn there's too many others to name that I wanna see.

 

[Nature Guardian]

Swamp Thing looks pretty fun though. His ending should be hooking up with Poison Ivy and having all kinds of crazy tentacle plant sex.

 

[Nature Guardian]

I'd rather have only Swamp Thing and no Ivy. But Swamp Thing is one of my favorite characters. There's a rumor that Dr. Fate is going to be a playable character, and if that's true that would be fucking rad. Also, Gorilla Grodd and Atrocitus is going to be in the game, so that's cool for me. I would like to see Booster Gold, Plastic Man, Larfleeze, Mister Miracle, Orion, Stargirl, Mister Terrific, Black Lightning, and damn there's too many others to name that I wanna see.

See? See? Just so many better options than the very bland roster we got!!

I prefer Swamp Thing to Poison Ivy too, but anyway I'd like one OR the other, not both....

 

[PurplePonyArcade]

There, I said it.

A quick recap:

- I absolutely adored the MK reboot (MK9)

- I loved Injustice (playable Lobo!!!!)

- MK10 convinced me to buy a PS4

- I even got MKXL


....So when they announced Injustice 2, of course I was interested.

But, for the first time since MK9, Netherrealm has made a game that managed to NOT get me interested.

First we got the usual predictable roster: Superman, Batman, Supergirl, ok, standard stuff.

But then I was hoping for the cool stuff to arrive: Etrigan? Constantine? Guy Gardner? Lobo again? Why, maybe even Hitman?

But none of that arrived.

Out of the entire cast, the ONLY character I like is Brainiac.

But, above everything, I just really can't get over the double cast: Superman and Supergirl, Catwoman and Cheetah, Swamp Thing and Poison Ivy..... that's a way to waste character slots!! I know that Netherrealm must've clearly intended for a double-cast thing, but it just feels like a waste of space that could be occupied by a more diverse roster.

And why would Scarecrow even be fit for a fighting game? Really?

And let's not even get to the part that the beta was only ever available for North America. There's a bad joke about Trump administration hiding here.

I agree and disagree. I actually like the roster. Finally we got the one character I wanted the most and did not get in the first game and that is Atrocitus. Then comes Cheetah which is the token totally unexpected character and also one I like. Still no Clayface or Black Lighting(fuck Static, seriously) but I can live with that. Story wise the game I will bet money will be shit like most other NRS games and then get called "good" by some people because the put a bit of effort into fleshing it out even if they can't write for shit. That is fine to because that is the most to expect from a fighting game. At the very least it currently looks like its focusing mainly on the characters of the Regime universe which is also something I wanted more of in the first game. I though that the first game would be Superman losing it and the universe divided between him and Batman. Instead we get your typical alternative universes bullshit where the good guys come from a better off universe at let them do all the work. At that point my moderate expectations plummeted beneath sewer level and I honestly expect this game to do the same thing. Though props to it if it does not.

Put all that aside and I still hope the game dies. Take how bitter Mortal Kombat X made me and somehow make that more agonizingly disgusting considering the fact that everything I hated about X will be worse when Ed Boon is talking about goddamn DLC when the game just entered its demo stage then says it will be "more aggressive than MKX" and you have a formula pulled out from the most rancid sewer on Earth that people are actually dumb enough to defend. By all means have fun and do not let me stop you.
I just don't want to see this game at all even if people tell me to "buy the game-of-the-year version" implying I would put my money into that anyway.

 

[SirSullymore]

When it comes to DC stuff we kind of have to take what we can get. Any character that isn't one of the main Justice League members or Batman/Superman related is gravy in my eyes.

 

[hermes]

When it comes to DC stuff we kind of have to take what we can get. Any character that isn't one of the main Justice League members or Batman/Superman related is gravy in my eyes.

Yeah, considering "only" a third of the roster of the last game was part of the Batuniverse, I guess we should consider ourselves lucky...

Personally, I am more concerned about the balance, specially when you have the option to change your stats with unlockable items and, being familiar with WB, the rarest and most overpowered ones will be DLC.

 

[Nature Guardian]

Put all that aside and I still hope the game dies. Take how bitter Mortal Kombat X made me and somehow make that more agonizingly disgusting considering the fact that everything I hated about X will be worse when Ed Boon is talking about goddamn DLC when the game just entered its demo stage then says it will be "more aggressive than MKX" and you have a formula pulled out from the most rancid sewer on Earth that people are actually dumb enough to defend. By all means have fun and do not let me stop you.
I just don't want to see this game at all even if people tell me to "buy the game-of-the-year version" implying I would put my money into that anyway.

Well said.

I can't get over the fact that, so far, the beta has been ONLY FOR NORTH AMERICA. It sounds vaguely fascist, and it sounds really really bad for the server quality.

The roster is just shit. Brainiac alone isn't going to make me play that game. They need a cast that feels different, not a cast that feels like a copycat series. With characters like Etrigan, Guy Gardner, Plastic Man..... they had to just bring the laziest and most repetitive choices instead.

And the final touch: why didn't Netherrealms put their talent to make something NEW????? I'm tired of sequels.

Look at their wrestling mobile game, WWE Immortals: instead of making that into a boring mobile product, they could have use all that creativity to make an actual, real game out of it, for PC, PS4, Xbox1.

 

[sXeth]

I actually see some potential with Scarecrow. I don't know anything about his in-game abilities at the moment, but I'm picturing a character who can transform and grows more powerful by injecting his fear toxin in his opponent. Since it distorts his opponent's perception of reality, the game could having him shift from a guy in a weird outfit to an actual monster with new moves. That would be pretty cool, especially if it was a multi-stage transformation.

Still, what he'll be capable of from the start is an issue, since as you said, he's not much of a combatant. If anything, this game mechanic would allow them to make him weaker than everyone else at the start of the fight.

Of course we still haven't seen what they actually did do with his character just yet.

Joker was duking it out with Superman in the first one, so its not like there's no precedent. I'm assuming the hand-wave phlebetonium that makes everyone superhuman is still in the setting.

Actually, wasn't the whole plot cause Joker hit Supes with Scarecrows gas in the first place?

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I actually see some potential with Scarecrow. I don't know anything about his in-game abilities at the moment, but I'm picturing a character who can transform and grows more powerful by injecting his fear toxin in his opponent. Since it distorts his opponent's perception of reality, the game could having him shift from a guy in a weird outfit to an actual monster with new moves. That would be pretty cool, especially if it was a multi-stage transformation.

Still, what he'll be capable of from the start is an issue, since as you said, he's not much of a combatant. If anything, this game mechanic would allow them to make him weaker than everyone else at the start of the fight.

Of course we still haven't seen what they actually did do with his character just yet.

Joker was duking it out with Superman in the first one, so its not like there's no precedent. I'm assuming the hand-wave phlebetonium that makes everyone superhuman is still in the setting.

Actually, wasn't the whole plot cause Joker hit Supes with Scarecrows gas in the first place?

I think so? I bet they'll touch on that in the story mode. I am worried though about having a game where there's only dick Superman and no boy scout Supes.

 

[Saelune]

I actually see some potential with Scarecrow. I don't know anything about his in-game abilities at the moment, but I'm picturing a character who can transform and grows more powerful by injecting his fear toxin in his opponent. Since it distorts his opponent's perception of reality, the game could having him shift from a guy in a weird outfit to an actual monster with new moves. That would be pretty cool, especially if it was a multi-stage transformation.

Still, what he'll be capable of from the start is an issue, since as you said, he's not much of a combatant. If anything, this game mechanic would allow them to make him weaker than everyone else at the start of the fight.

Of course we still haven't seen what they actually did do with his character just yet.

Joker was duking it out with Superman in the first one, so its not like there's no precedent. I'm assuming the hand-wave phlebetonium that makes everyone superhuman is still in the setting.

Actually, wasn't the whole plot cause Joker hit Supes with Scarecrows gas in the first place?

I think so? I bet they'll touch on that in the story mode. I am worried though about having a game where there's only dick Superman and no boy scout Supes.

Dick Superman got Zod'd or killed or whatever. Good Superman is the one remaining.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I actually see some potential with Scarecrow. I don't know anything about his in-game abilities at the moment, but I'm picturing a character who can transform and grows more powerful by injecting his fear toxin in his opponent. Since it distorts his opponent's perception of reality, the game could having him shift from a guy in a weird outfit to an actual monster with new moves. That would be pretty cool, especially if it was a multi-stage transformation.

Still, what he'll be capable of from the start is an issue, since as you said, he's not much of a combatant. If anything, this game mechanic would allow them to make him weaker than everyone else at the start of the fight.

Of course we still haven't seen what they actually did do with his character just yet.

Joker was duking it out with Superman in the first one, so its not like there's no precedent. I'm assuming the hand-wave phlebetonium that makes everyone superhuman is still in the setting.

Actually, wasn't the whole plot cause Joker hit Supes with Scarecrows gas in the first place?

I think so? I bet they'll touch on that in the story mode. I am worried though about having a game where there's only dick Superman and no boy scout Supes.

Dick Superman got Zod'd or killed or whatever. Good Superman is the one remaining.

Uh, no, he was imprisoned in a red sun cell. That's kind of why his intro during a fight is ripping off handcuffs. Not to mention there's been a shit ton of dialogue that's already been released that shows he is the Dick Superman.