Is any one else in the world annoyed by Deus Ex 3?

[Daemonate]

I mean, why is it even called Deus Ex?

It does not share characters, story, or timeline continuity with Deus Ex - yet claims to be a 'reboot'.

It is a native console title, and will be released for three platforms "identical".

And it looks like a bloody action title.

I could get a Toyota Camry, paint it red and put a rampant horse badge on it, but a Ferarri it would not make.

Critics and Ion Storm both never seemed to understand why Invisible War wasn't good, and it seems that Square Enix (glad they dropped the EIDOS) have the same miscomprehension. It wasn't the subject matter, which I keep hearing. A gaming treatise on the Singularity is not a silly thing to attempt. Bioshock did a reasonable job with Objectivism, the original DX did a good job of exploring the merits and dangers of oligarchy, and System Shock 2 did fine with an exploration of collectivism.

You can do such things improperly - Bioshock 2 seemed to be a discussion of collectivism too, but the game was ass, so the message was not as effective.

The problem was Deus Ex was deep, free toolbox. Inventory management, fiddly world interactions, tonnes of reading material - nearly all of it optional - and dozens of competing and overlapping tools and skills worked because the world was designed to let it work.

Invisible War took out the immersion not because people talked too much, but because you no longer bypassed a security system by fiddling with a control box, picking a lock, EMPing a laser sensor and then hacking a computer - all in the same room. All while knowing you could have just thrown in a bomb and fought the guards instead.

Is Human Revolution going to be this kind of game? No?

Well then the developers are damn liars when they say they have respect for the Deus Ex universe, and their title is a cynical exploitation of the name of one of the greatest games ever made.

UPDATE: Hi everyone.

OP here.

I thought I'd let everyone know that I think now I was totally wrong.

I saw some interviews with the developers in the Australian PC Powerplay magazine, and also read up some some actual info on the game.

It looks to me like they have gone out of their way to capture the essence of the original Deus Ex but updated, not remade.

It doesn't look like another Bioshock 2, and I'm placing my pre-order - with the misgiving that some fool on their team stopped them using the original theme music.

 

[MrGalactus]

Will it stop you from buying it?

 

[Scars Unseen]

Will it stop you from buying it?

I don't know whether I'll buy it or not, but I do know that I'll be waiting for reviews, from both publications and players, before I'm going to consider this purchase. Not that this is anything against the game. There's very few games I don't take this stance on these days. But if Human Revolution was truly looking to be a proper Deus Ex successor, I'd be buying it on day one.

Sorry, Squeenix, wait-and-see is all you're earning so far.

 

[razer17]

Awww poor you. Maybe you could use the anger you are wasting on this on something useful?

You could use the same arguments for several gaming franchises, it doesn't matter. They use the name to promote brand awareness. People go "Oh! another Deus Ex game! I enjoyed that game once!" And hence they buy it. It's easier than starting a new IP.

Games companies (or any company for that matter) do not exist to please you. No matter how much you whine they will never care. They will make decisions based on what they believe will make the most cash. Deal with it.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

final fantasy..?

seriously. companies do this alot. its just a way to attract people to the game going "oh yeah, i remember hearing about those old ones"

 

[brumley53]

Oh did you get a time machine? so far we haven't seen much gameplay and we can hardly say they're going to destroy it, also it is in the same timeline, based around the time they were developing mechanical augmentations and the troubles it brought, from an ethical, moral and religous stand point. The reason they haven't talked much about it in terms of the story and it's underlying meaning is because selling games as PHILISOPHICAL and THOUGHT PROVOKING isn't going to sell.

 

[Vault101]

I mean, why is it even called Deus Ex?

It does not share characters, story, or timeline continuity with Deus Ex - yet claims to be a 'reboot'.

It is a native console title, and will be released for three platforms "identical".

And it looks like a bloody action title.

I could get a Toyota Camry, paint it red and put a rampant horse badge on it, but a Ferarri it would not make.

Critics and Ion Storm both never seemed to understand why Invisible War wasn't good, and it seems that Square Enix (glad they dropped the EIDOS) have the same miscomprehension. It wasn't the subject matter, which I keep hearing. A gaming treatise on the Singularity is not a silly thing to attempt. Bioshock did a reasonable job with Objectivism, the original DX did a good job of exploring the merits and dangers of oligarchy, and System Shock 2 did fine with an exploration of collectivism.

You can do such things improperly - Bioshock 2 seemed to be a discussion of collectivism too, but the game was ass, so the message was not as effective.

The problem was Deus Ex was deep, free toolbox. Inventory management, fiddly world interactions, tonnes of reading material - nearly all of it optional - and dozens of competing and overlapping tools and skills worked because the world was designed to let it work.

Invisible War took out the immersion not because people talked too much, but because you no longer bypassed a security system by fiddling with a control box, picking a lock, EMPing a laser sensor and then hacking a computer - all in the same room. All while knowing you could have just thrown in a bomb and fought the guards instead.

Is Human Revolution going to be this kind of game? No?

Well then the developers are damn liars when they say they have respect for the Deus Ex universe, and their title is a cynical exploitation of the name of one of the greatest games ever made.

its not even out untill like..end of the year

you couldnt wait untill then to start criticising it?

 

[MrGalactus]

Will it stop you from buying it?

I don't know whether I'll buy it or not, but I do know that I'll be waiting for reviews, from both publications and players, before I'm going to consider this purchase. Not that this is anything against the game. There's very few games I don't take this stance on these days. But if Human Revolution was truly looking to be a proper Deus Ex successor, I'd be buying it on day one.

Sorry, Squeenix, wait-and-see is all you're earning so far.

Isn't it good to shake up the formula of games? Doing anything different is better than doing nothing at all.

 

[StriderShinryu]

Seeing as how they just put out short videos showing both the genesis of the character you play as as well as some of the possibilities/benefits of a non direct approach (hacking/stealth/etc.) it seems you may be a tad off the mark. No one knows just how open the game world will be at this point but the developers have been eager to show off that they at least understand the desire to approach the game in varying ways.

While it's true that it likely won't have any/many direct connections with the previous Deus Ex games that will be impossible to say until people have actually played the game. Personally, I'd be shocked if there weren't at least a couple of easter eggs thrown in to connect the games together. It does, however, seem to take place within the same general world and I'm finding the early storyline and character information we have received quite appealing as it will clearly deal with one of my favourite themes in fiction; the dichotomy between man and machine.

Oh, and they never "dropped" the Eidos thing. The game is being published by Square but it's still being developed by Eidos.

 

[Scars Unseen]

Will it stop you from buying it?

I don't know whether I'll buy it or not, but I do know that I'll be waiting for reviews, from both publications and players, before I'm going to consider this purchase. Not that this is anything against the game. There's very few games I don't take this stance on these days. But if Human Revolution was truly looking to be a proper Deus Ex successor, I'd be buying it on day one.

Sorry, Squeenix, wait-and-see is all you're earning so far.

Isn't it good to shake up the formula of games? Doing anything different is better than doing nothing at all.

Depends on who you ask and what you're talking about. There's a difference between shaking up a formula and abandoning a formula. And sometimes you just have a damn good formula. Personally, I think that the Deus Ex formula merely needed to be updated (from the original, not the sequel). Done right, a modern Deus Ex could make Mass Effect look like Call of Duty (in terms of openness and roleplaying). Done wrong it may end up like God of War (a good game, but about as close to Deus Ex as Peggle).

I'm not calling doom and gloom here. Regardless of how it turns out, it could be a very enjoyable game, in which case I'll still buy it (I bought Fallout 3 even though it is very much Oblivion with guns). I'm just saying that if the trailers are any indication, we are getting something more akin to a very violent Inspector Gadget than JC Denton. And that is a bit disappointing and strikes me as yet another opportunity lost. How many recent sequels and "spiritual successors" have actually lived up to the classics they were supposed to replace?

 

[jibran]

It doesn't really look like a Deus ex to me, despite that, the game does look quite intrgiguing.

 

[Fenring]

How many recent sequels and "spiritual successors" have actually lived up to the classics they were supposed to replace?

The Batman movies, Battlestar Galactica, the animated Scooby-Doos, the Tomb Raider games, probably the new Mortal Kombat, Fallout (which you mentioned), Doom 3, Dragon Age, Bayonetta (kind of), and I'm sure others. When a company actually wants to put time and money into it, they make a good successor.

 

[Who Dares Wins]

Isn't it some sort of a prequel happening some 20 years before the first one? That would explain why it's called Deus Ex.

 

[Imbechile]

Oh Jesus Christ, another purist. Just admit that you want Deus ex 1 remade in better graphics.
I myself am a huuuuuuuuuuge Deus ex fanboy and Human Revolution looks quite good. I'm not gonna let a few things that I don't like, such as regenerating health spoil the game for me.
Old fans, grow the fuck up and accept that in this day and age, dumbing down is inevitable. Just be thankfull that hey didn't go overboard and removed something like skills

 

[Scars Unseen]

How many recent sequels and "spiritual successors" have actually lived up to the classics they were supposed to replace?

The Batman movies, Battlestar Galactica, the animated Scooby-Doos, the Tomb Raider games, probably the new Mortal Kombat, Fallout (which you mentioned), Doom 3, Dragon Age, Bayonetta (kind of), and I'm sure others. When a company actually wants to put time and money into it, they make a good successor.

Batman was a reboot(that specifically wasn't supposed to be a successor to the previous movies). I'll give you BSG(a remake rather than a reboot). Didn't know about the Scooby-Doos and I always hated Tomb Raider, so I'm a poor judge of that. I don't like the MK Rebirth video, if that's what you're talking about. Fallout 3 is actually a good example of a poor successor. It turned out to be a fun game, but it's a lousy Fallout. Doom 3 didn't have to try hard (and didn't) as its predecessor was pretty basic (but still a classic). Dragon Age failed spectacularly to improve upon a 12 year old 2D game. Still enjoyable, but I don't foresee it outlasting Baldur's Gate on my hard drive (which has never been removed from my PC except for complete system rebuilds and OS upgrades).

 

[Fenring]

How many recent sequels and "spiritual successors" have actually lived up to the classics they were supposed to replace?

The Batman movies, Battlestar Galactica, the animated Scooby-Doos, the Tomb Raider games, probably the new Mortal Kombat, Fallout (which you mentioned), Doom 3, Dragon Age, Bayonetta (kind of), and I'm sure others. When a company actually wants to put time and money into it, they make a good successor.

Batman was a reboot(that specifically wasn't supposed to be a successor to the previous movies). I'll give you BSG(a remake rather than a reboot). Didn't know about the Scooby-Doos and I always hated Tomb Raider, so I'm a poor judge of that. I don't like the MK Rebirth video, if that's what you're talking about. Fallout 3 is actually a good example of a poor successor. It turned out to be a fun game, but it's a lousy Fallout. Doom 3 didn't have to try hard (and didn't) as its predecessor was pretty basic (but still a classic). Dragon Age failed spectacularly to improve upon a 12 year old 2D game. Still enjoyable, but I don't foresee it outlasting Baldur's Gate on my hard drive (which has never been removed from my PC except for complete system rebuilds and OS upgrades).

So what I'm seeing, is all my points don't matter because minutia. Cool, that's a really good argument style.

Well I'm sorry you don't care for my points, but most people don't care about Deus Ex. From what I've gathered, Deus Ex: Herpaderp Revolution is DOES share the same timeline as the other games, as it is a prequel to the original, and will share at least a few of the same themes, being conspiracy theories.

I wrote quite a few paragraphs about you being a bit of a fanboy and entitled PC gamer, but I deleted it because it 'a bit' mean. It could be summed up as: Being on all three systems doesn't have to be bad unless you hate more people enjoying something, then in that case, you're a douche. Updating an older series isn't bad and you need to deal with it. They aren't going to mess with the game you like, and since they are connected, it makes sense to use the name.

 

[Scars Unseen]

Oh Jesus Christ, another purist. Just admit that you want Deus ex 1 remade in better graphics.
I myself am a huuuuuuuuuuge Deus ex fanboy and Human Revolution looks quite good. I'm not gonna let a few things that I don't like, such as regenerating health spoil the game for me.
Old fans, grow the fuck up and accept that in this day and age, dumbing down is inevitable. Just be thankfull that hey didn't go overboard and removed something like skills

I don't want Deus Ex remade in better graphics. Well I do, but I also want the series to continue. I do, however, believe that the series would better be served by modernizing than outright changing. Other than lacking the polish of modern games, there wasn't really a whole lot wrong with the gameplay of the original. Improve the level design, AI, and pacing to reflect the capabilities of current technology. Streamline the skill system (it's only dumbing down if the gameplay isn't improved by it). Make good use of physics and ragdolls to reflect cybernetically enhanced strength. There's a lot you could do and still keep the FPS/RPG roots. And it would be awesome. Think a first person cyberpunk Mass Effect with more RPG elements, stealth options, and a lot of interaction with the environment.

Again, if Human Revolution is good, I'll buy it no matter what. I'm just musing over what could have been.

 

[Scars Unseen]

How many recent sequels and "spiritual successors" have actually lived up to the classics they were supposed to replace?

The Batman movies, Battlestar Galactica, the animated Scooby-Doos, the Tomb Raider games, probably the new Mortal Kombat, Fallout (which you mentioned), Doom 3, Dragon Age, Bayonetta (kind of), and I'm sure others. When a company actually wants to put time and money into it, they make a good successor.

Batman was a reboot(that specifically wasn't supposed to be a successor to the previous movies). I'll give you BSG(a remake rather than a reboot). Didn't know about the Scooby-Doos and I always hated Tomb Raider, so I'm a poor judge of that. I don't like the MK Rebirth video, if that's what you're talking about. Fallout 3 is actually a good example of a poor successor. It turned out to be a fun game, but it's a lousy Fallout. Doom 3 didn't have to try hard (and didn't) as its predecessor was pretty basic (but still a classic). Dragon Age failed spectacularly to improve upon a 12 year old 2D game. Still enjoyable, but I don't foresee it outlasting Baldur's Gate on my hard drive (which has never been removed from my PC except for complete system rebuilds and OS upgrades).

So what I'm seeing, is all my points don't matter because minutia. Cool, that's a really good argument style.

Well I'm sorry you don't care for my points, but most people don't care about Deus Ex. From what I've gathered, Deus Ex: Herpaderp Revolution is DOES share the same timeline as the other games, as it is a prequel to the original, and will share at least a few of the same themes, being conspiracy theories.

I wrote quite a few paragraphs about you being a bit of a fanboy and entitled PC gamer, but I deleted it because it 'a bit' mean. It could be summed up as: Being on all three systems doesn't have to be bad unless you hate more people enjoying something, then in that case, you're a douche. Updating an older series isn't bad and you need to deal with it. They aren't going to mess with the game you like, and since they are connected, it makes sense to use the name.

*shrug* You gave a list and I commented on them. If anything, my commentary mostly points out that if you didn't care about the original, you have no reason to pay attention to the remake/sequel. The ones I had an opinion on either way were the ones where I liked the original. The rest of them I couldn't be bothered to check out in the first place.

Also, I never actually said anything about consoles, so I'm not sure where you're coming from there. But since you brought it up, exclusives tend to be better optimized than cross-system titles(no matter what that system is). That's mostly a graphics/performance issue, though, so it doesn't really affect the conversation. I see no reason why having the game on consoles would be bad for us PC gamers unless the developer gets lazy with the UI. Console-oriented UIs make for a poor gaming experience on the PC, but that is easily remedied if the developer puts a bit of effort into it.

I don't know about the fanboy bit since I haven't played that game in years and hated Invisible War(in contrast to Baldur's Gate, which has been installed on every PC I've owned since BG2 came out). I did enjoy it when I played it though, and it just seems pointless to me to revive a dead series without giving it similar gameplay.