Is Pubic Hair In A Bikini Obscene?

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This story happened a while ago, but I think it's an interesting topic to discuss. This lady, Petra Collins, had her account on Instagram deleted because she posted a picture of herself in a bikini while unshaven.
(Pictures removed for my posting convenience)

I wasn't shocked at the reaction I received from my t-shirt. I'm used to being told by society that I must regulate my body to fit the norm. I'm used to the fact that images of unaltered women are seen as unacceptable. I've taught myself to ignore it (as much as I can) and through the Internet (via sites like ROOKIE) and social media platforms (like Instagram and Facebook) I've been able to freely share images and start discussions about these issues. Recently, I had my Instagram account deleted. I did nothing that violated the terms of use. No nudity, violence, pornography, unlawful, hateful or infringing imagery. What I did have was an image of MY body that didn't meet society's standard of "femininity." The image I posted was from the waist down wearing a bathing suit bottom in front of a sparkly backdrop. Unlike the 5,883,628 (this is how many images are tagged #bikini) bathing suit images on Instagram (see here and here) mine depicted my own unaltered state -- an unshaven bikini line. Up until this moment, I had obviously seen and felt the pressure to regulate my body, but never thought I would literally experience it.

I'm used to seeing female bodies perfected and aspects concealed in the media (i.e., in hair removal ads for women, hair is NEVER shown). I wasn't surprised when TMZ requested to interview me about my t-shirt, but then cancelled because the image was "too explicit for television" -- whereas during Rihanna's abuse scandal, her beaten face was broadcasted hundreds of times. I'm used to seeing women being degraded, slut shamed, harassed for what they look like. Even the most powerful women in the world are measured by their appearance and constantly ridiculed for it. I'm used to one of the biggest media outlets calling a 9-year old girl a "****" (with the intention of being "satirical"). I'm used to hearing the top played songs on the radio tell me "I know you want it -- just let me liberate you," "You don't know you're beautiful, that's what makes you beautiful," "Put molly all in her champagne/ She ain't even know it / I took her home and I enjoyed that/ She ain't even know it." I'm used to seeing blockbuster movies get a rating of NC-17 because a woman is shown receiving pleasure -- while movies that feature men receiving pleasure get ratings as low as PG.

I'm used to seeing cover after cover featuring stories about a popular celebrity being fat-shamed during pregnancy. I'm used to seeing reviews of an award show performance that critiques a female singer for being "slutty," but then fails to even mention the older male behind her. I'm used to reading articles about whole towns harassing a rape victim until she's forced to leave. I don't want to be used to this. I don't want to have to see the same thing constantly. I don't want to be desensitized to what's happening around me all.the.time. I consider myself endlessly lucky to have access to the Internet and technology. Through it I've found myself and have been able to join a new discourse of females young and old who strive to change the way we look and treat ourselves. I know having a social media profile removed is a 21st century privileged problem -- but it is the way a lot of us live. These profiles mimic our physical selves and a lot of the time are even more important. They are ways to connect with an audience, to start discussion, and to create change. Through this removal, I really felt how strong of a distrust and hate we have towards female bodies. The deletion of my account felt like a physical act, like the public coming at me with a razor, sticking their finger down my throat, forcing me to cover up, forcing me to succumb to society's image of beauty. That these very real pressures we face everyday can turn into literal censorship.

If the Internet mimics real life, then there is no doubt that real life can mimic it. That if we allow ourselves to be silenced or censored, it can happen in real life too. That if an online society of people can censor your body, what stops them from doing so in real life? This is already happening, you experience this every day. When someone catcalls at you, yells "SLUT," comments on all your Facebook photos calling you "disgusting," tries to physically violate you, spreads private nude images of you to a mass amount of people via text, calls you ugly, tells you to change your body, tells you are not perfect, this cannot continue to be our reality. To all the young girls and women, do not let this discourage you, do not let anyone tell you what you should look like, tell you how to be, tell you that you do not own your body. Even if society tries to silence you keep on going, keep moving forward, keep creating revolutionary work, and keep this discourse alive. To those who reported me, to those who are disgusted by my body, to those who commented "horrible" or "disgusting" on an image of ME, I want you to thoughtfully dissect your own reaction to these things, please think about WHY you felt this way, WHY this image was so shocking, WHY you have no tolerance for it. Hopefully you will come to understand that it might not be you thinking these things but society telling you how to think.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/petra-collins/why-instagram-censored-my-body_b_4118416.html

So basically, she was banned for not having the proper level of bodily grooming. If she had a shaved bikini line the picture would have been perfectly acceptable, yet the same area with hair is apparently obscene.

What does The Escapist think of this issue? Is it obscene to have visible pubic hair in a swimsuit? Why do you feel this way? Where does the hair stop being obscene? If a girl had a happy trail would this also be obscene? Do or should the same standards apply to men as well?
 

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I don't think it's obscene at all. That said, there is a pretty huge double standard when it comes to female pubic hair, so I'm not surprised this happened. I think that double standard should be abolished, but I'm pretty certain I'm in the minority with this opinion.
 

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BathorysGraveland2 said:
I don't think it's obscene at all. That said, there is a pretty huge double standard when it comes to female pubic hair, so I'm not surprised this happened. I think that double standard should be abolished, but I'm pretty certain I'm in the minority with this opinion.
Yeah, second that.

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Ok, the title of the thread didn't specify if it was the bikini top or bikini bottom, but the content did, so I had to throw away the stupid joke I was working on.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Ok, the title of the thread didn't specify if it was the bikini top or bikini bottom, but the content did, so I had to throw away the stupid joke I was working on.
Well, if someone has so much pubic hair that it was showing out of their bikini top, then yes. That would be definitely obscene.

OT: I'd say it doesn't matter whether the person is male of female, if they want to wear a speedo/monokini, then they should be expected to groom themselves accordingly. After all, it's not like there aren't any swimwear alternatives, like trunks.

Though, it should be noted that there is a difference between abdomen hair and pubic hair. So, if a female had a "happy trail", it would be unusual, since they don't typically grow abdomen hair, but not obscene.
 

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That was a great article.

There's a stigma involving hair on women that is just downright ridiculous. It wasn't really until Gilette was founded in the 1900s and branched into feminine hair removal that women were shamed for their body hair.

Shave because you want to, not because you have to. Even if you think a ladies (or gents) underarm hair or visible pubes are unsightly just get over it. It is not your body to dictate how they should present herself. I myself prefer shaving but if another lady doesn't then more power to her.

In a beach setting, you're both on holiday and both want to enjoy yourself. You can't enjoy yourself if you're getting worked up over how other people don't meet your standards.

All I can assume is that the appearance of body hair pushed that picture into the nudity territory but I've seen plenty of men post pictures with low slung pants and a visible "wankers tache" to realise that can't be the case.
 

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It's bizarre that a photo of her bikini line is acceptable as long as it's bald.

I don't understand how pubic hair would make it any more obscene, is it because it makes it more obvious that there is, in fact, a set of genitalia inside of her bikini bottoms?

The extent to which people have become repulsed by female pubic hair is crazy.
I've even heard people refer to liking women with pubic hair as a fetish.

People should groom as much or as little as they want to, whether that involves being bald or growing out a rain-forest, I just object to the portrayal of women who choose to grow out their pubic hair as something gross or obscene.
 

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Hair or no hair is irrelevant IMO. It' the SHOWING of it that is not perceived well.

If I'd wear a speedo to the beach and I'd lower it enough to hide my junk, but not enough to see my pubic hair, I'd get the same reaction I think.

Most people go to public bathrooms and if they see a pubic hair on the toilet seat, they wouldn?t sit on it in greater ratio than if they?d see a ?normal? hair from a head.

Pubic hair showing on a bathing suit is that same thing as a skid mark IMO
 

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I hold both men and women to high standards when it comes to swimwear. If you're a guy and you want to pull off a Speedo then you need to be tanned, have a swimmer's body and have shaven your chest, legs and pubic area. Otherwise it just looks god-awful, some would say it still looks awful regardless and yes, those same standards apply to women too but that's just my personal opinion since I've never been one to like body hair; I think it looks untidy and is unhygienic.
 

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If I didn't trim my man-tuft, put on a pair of tight budgie-smugglers and aranged myself so my half-fur/half-coiled wire pubes were on show, and then got someone to take deliberately provoking pictures of my cocksicle area so I could publically post it all over the place to show my 'natural nature' and passive aggressiveness so that I can subsequently kick off with my prewritten article/money-grabber then I too would have my accout shut down...

Taking a picture of your bikini has become a social norm (Unlike 50-60 years ago) but taking pictures of pubic hair isn't. This isn't something that needs to change...
 

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Colour Scientist said:
It's bizarre that a photo of her bikini line is acceptable as long as it's bald.

I don't understand how pubic hair would make it any more obscene, is it because it makes it more obvious that there is, in fact, a set of genitalia inside of her bikini bottoms?

The extent to which people have become repulsed by female pubic hair is crazy.
I've even heard people refer to liking women with pubic hair as a fetish.

People should groom as much or as little as they want to, whether that involves being bald or growing out a rain-forest, I just object to the portrayal of women who choose to grow out their pubic hair as something gross or obscene.

I don't think female pubic hair is horrid... I think posting pictures online of all pubic hair is...
 

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I'unno. A bit unkempt perhaps. But hardly obscene. I personally wouldn't bother raising a fuss. What someone else does with their pubic hair, well... their business.

Although if I were to photograph myself with my shorts pulled down far enough for pubes to be showing I wouldn't expect anyone to want to look at the result.

It's kind of how I have no problem with a naked arse but buttcrack as a result of low-riding pants comes across as slovenly.
 

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Well, I'd think it's less of a gender problem and more of a "Do you find pubic hair icky" problem. There'd be no difference (I would hope) if it was a guy posting a similar picture (although finding a swimsuit to pull that off might be a bit difficult...).

Well, to answer the question, yes. The question is way skewed towards females, though, since most males don't wear bikinis, but I would find male pubic hair in a bikini equally as obscene.
 

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Elementary - Dear Watson said:
I don't think female pubic hair is horrid... I think posting pictures online of all pubic hair is...
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that posting pictures is the most pleasant thing in the world either.

I just think that if bikini pictures are a-okay, I don't see why having a bit of fuzz in the exact same area being photographed somehow makes it too obscene to be on the site.
 

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BathorysGraveland2 said:
I'm not surprised this happened. I think that double standard should be abolished, but I'm pretty certain I'm in the minority with this opinion.
I think the double standard is kind of abolished. Most young guys shave downstairs, its just thing now. I personally shave because its a lot tidier

I think that if you go down on a woman (thats the polites way I could put it) you dont expect to get a mouthful of hair so it should be the same for a man
 

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shootthebandit said:
I think the double standard is kind of abolished. Most young guys shave downstairs, its just thing now. I personally shave because its a lot tidier
I beg to differ, the guys I know trim, shaving is too much work for most guys.
 

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Boris Goodenough said:
shootthebandit said:
I think the double standard is kind of abolished. Most young guys shave downstairs, its just thing now. I personally shave because its a lot tidier
I beg to differ, the guys I know trim, shaving is too much work for most guys.
Trimming can be SO dangerous for guys though.

A friend of mine cut himself trimming with an electric razor where the skin of the sack meets the front of the? shaft (I?m a poet!).

He was so ashamed of this that he actually sewed himself up using a fishing line? and had to cut off the excess skin (he did a terrible job supposedly) a few weeks later with scissors. No anesthesia too

Bon appétit! ;oP
 

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shootthebandit said:
I think the double standard is kind of abolished. Most young guys shave downstairs, its just thing now. I personally shave because its a lot tidier

I think that if you go down on a woman (thats the polites way I could put it) you dont expect to get a mouthful of hair so it should be the same for a man
Do you mean shave, or trim? I imagine most guys (myself included) trim the pubic hair, but shaving it off entirely is certainly something else. Yet it's that shaving that is generally expected of women, from what I've seen.

mistahzig1 said:
Ouch. Tell your friend to use a hairdressing shaver. That's what I use, and it's always worked perfectly fine for me.
 

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It's not obscene by a long shot but that picture was certainly...suggestive in a way. It was a deliberate close-up shot clearly intended to provoke some kind of reaction. Not that I personally have any problems with it but I think Instagram wants to prevent some kind of slippery slope from occuring. If they tolerate this than the next will come along and ask ''why not this or why not that?'' and it will become increasingly harder to maintain any kind of standard. They have to draw the line somewhere, espescially since the site is frequented by minors as well.

Then again if this was the '60s(and commercial internet was around) nobody would raise a fuss. So also sign of the times I guess?