It's a mad, mad world we live in

[Saelune]

And when a cop shoots someone they are risking someone else's life too. Maybe if cops didnt make so many stupid, panicked, or racist choices so often, the cops wouldnt be getting so much shit thrown at them right now. But cops arent exactly some prestigious group of elite individuals.

Honestly my own country stands as living testament to the fact that isn't the case. Even ignoring the fact that virtually every person BLM protests over was attempting to kill someone, with one exception of a boy pointing a real looking but fake gun at a cop in Chicago and a few other exceptions (there are cases of cops crossing the line, they just aren't 95% of what that movement complains about), even ignoring all that, here in Canada we have people not only complaining but out in the street protesting. Of note is that we have on average 137 people killed by guns in a way that isn't suicide each year across the country. That's not shot by cops, that's across the country, mostly by gangs. Yet despite that, the all of 3 people BLM here in Montreal and Toronto have complained about where all criminals who tried to kill cops. All 3, 100% rate of defending criminals trying to kill people. Their race was literally the reason that racist movement tried to defend their actions.

Cops in the US increasing the number of justified uses of deadly force from 95% to 99% isn't going to change the perception of things. Though in fairness I did pull that 95% out of my ass. I only know that 90% of those shots where using a firearm, I have no idea how many of the 10% not using a firearm where justified.

And if all they care about is their own life, then they should be fine with being fired for shooting an innocent person anyways, and yet too many of those cops are still on the force.

So they should potentially throw away their lives for someone who even if they are innocent is in all likelihood not anywhere near as valuable to society by virtue of even being in that situation in the first place? I'm sorry, but just as soldiers are trained to be willing to give up their lives but not to do out of their way to do so, one shouldn't expect the police to be any different.

Wasnt a case of being shot by cops, but seemingly racist police brutality still, the guy who was just standing outside a store and got suffocated to death by like, 3 officers. I fail to see how he was a threat to anyone.

And BLM is crazy. I do know that they are inclined to protest ANY black death, and I do think some deserved to be shot, but way too many didnt. It shouldnt be blanketed either way. Cops should be praised for doing the right thing, and punished for doing the wrong thing.

So they should potentially throw away their lives for someone who even if they are innocent is in all likelihood not anywhere near as valuable to society by virtue of even being in that situation in the first place? I'm sorry, but just as soldiers are trained to be willing to give up their lives but not to do out of their way to do so, one shouldn't expect the police to be any different.

Yes. Cops ARENT soldiers. Soliders are meant to fight wars and kill enemies. Cops are meant to maintain order and protect people, directly. Id rather hear a cop died trying to reason with a kid with a gun than a cop shooting a kid with a fake one. Cops SHOULD be upstanding moral heroes we can look up to and rely on to help us and protect us. We shouldnt have to fear them when we do nothing wrong. That just blatantly isnt the case though.

Side note: Tom Cruise is also crazy, so him going "What?" is funny to me. Not really relevant to anything, but neither is the gif.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

So they should potentially throw away their lives for someone who even if they are innocent is in all likelihood not anywhere near as valuable to society by virtue of even being in that situation in the first place?

...hoo boy. That's a winning view right there, lemme tell ya. Quality.

 

[Zontar]

Then again, maybe I'm idealistic.

I think that may sum of your perspective on things. The world isn't perfect, and the rules for how one are supposed to deal with situations are made to reflect that imperfection to try and make sure as many people make to see tomorrow as possible. That actually includes criminals, though as stated the world is imperfect and the rules reflect that.

Wasnt a case of being shot by cops, but seemingly racist police brutality still, the guy who was just standing outside a store and got suffocated to death by like, 3 officers. I fail to see how he was a threat to anyone.

That case, if I'm not mistaken, went before a grand jury, which found the officers involved innocent. I'm not saying that the force was or wasn't justified, but a state prosecutor couldn't convince a jury that wrongdoing occurred, and I'm more inclined to believe such a judgement then a short video given I've seen how easily viral videos can have a moment or two before or after it starts filming make all the difference.

And that specific case wouldn't change the general rule of the vast majority of cases the BLM movement protests against being justified uses of force.

And BLM is crazy. I do know that they are inclined to protest ANY black death, and I do think some deserved to be shot, but way too many didnt. It shouldnt be blanketed either way. Cops should be praised for doing the right thing, and punished for doing the wrong thing.

For the most part the latter is happening. I know that drug bust that ended with multiple people dead where the whole bust was a setup had everyone involved prosecuted, that was a big case and I'm legitimately surprised no one seemed to be talking about it when it happened.

Yes. Cops ARENT soldiers. Soliders are meant to fight wars and kill enemies. Cops are meant to maintain order and protect people, directly. Id rather hear a cop died trying to reason with a kid with a gun than a cop shooting a kid with a fake one. Cops SHOULD be upstanding moral heroes we can look up to and rely on to help us and protect us. We shouldnt have to fear them when we do nothing wrong. That just blatantly isnt the case though.

Given the state of places like Chicago I'd say the US could use some soldiers patrolling the streets. Though that's actually beside the point given that when it comes to civilian interactions the general idea behind how police are trained and soldiers are trained is basically the same, with solders just having it be an appendix to their training instead of the bulk of it. It's how occupation is even possible.

And as was noted aegix drakan the cop was an ex-Marine.

Side note: Tom Cruise is also crazy, so him going "What?" is funny to me. Not really relevant to anything, but neither is the gif.

Yeah it is kind of ironic.

 

[Zontar]

So they should potentially throw away their lives for someone who even if they are innocent is in all likelihood not anywhere near as valuable to society by virtue of even being in that situation in the first place?

...hoo boy. That's a winning view right there, lemme tell ya. Quality.

Hey, if you're in a situation where you're pointing a gun at a cop where the question of if it's loaded is one that no one can figure out until after the fact, you've probably made some life choices that aren't that beneficial to society as a whole. Sure that wouldn't be true of all cases, but then it would be enough of the time that it's a safe assumption to make. I mean hell, pointing a gun at a cop is a means of suicide that has its own name in the US for a reason.

 

[MeatMachine]

And BLM is crazy. I do know that they are inclined to protest ANY black death, and I do think some deserved to be shot, but way too many didnt. It shouldnt be blanketed either way.

No, Black Lives Matter are not inclined to protest ANY black death, they are actually, highly, highly, highly selective with the black deaths they propagate. Really, the only black lives they care about are ones that are taken by whites and police officers, because they fancy themselves to be Leninist revolutionaries that want to utterly destroy American society.

No really, before you say I'm being unfair or ridiculous, listen to their rhetoric, observe their modus operandi, and read their proposals. Black Lives Matter say nothing constructive, do nothing constructive, and want nothing constructive - what they think they want is full-blown communism, with the blacks as the Bolsheviks. To accomplish this, they must say destructive things and perform destructive behaviors, in order to destroy what they see as the oppressive force standing between them and their goals.

There are reasonable people that consider themselves part of the movement, and the movement is not entirely centralized around foundational core concepts beyond the sensible starting point of "against police brutality" - blanket statements that expand this out to full-blown ideology are not universally applicable to Black Lives Matter, but when most of its appointed leaders and recognized chapters follow the same extreme ideological trends, "NOT ALL" ceases to be an argument and becomes a dismissal for a very real, very significant problem.