IW ruin MW2 online gameplay before it even releases. Updated.

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Caliostro

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Earlier today a webcast from BASHandSlash.com [http://bashandslash.com/] that involved an interview with an IW employee, community manager Rob Bowling, revealed some rather bizarre (at very least) new information about Modern Warfare 2's online gameplay. In short, and to quote Zips, Site Director from CS Nation [http://csnation.totalgamingnetwork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180393]:



IW has control of the game
IWnet servers will host multiplayer
DLC will be a charged item for PC
No dedicated servers
Matchmaking system used to play with similarly ranked players
VAC instead of PB
Semi-capable password servers
Semi-capable ad-hoc servers
Competitive play is dead
MW2 mods would not be possible
Full integration into Steam

In other words, it's removing control away from players under the guise of "making it simpler".

Now, I have nothing against IW-Hosted servers as an option, and making it more accessible to new players, or people without the money for a dedicated server, seems like a pretty good idea. The gaping hole of this logic comes when they downright force us to give up dedicated servers, which is basically destroying what makes online great on the PC.

Despite what the I.W. employee claims, online gameplay on PC has always been superior due to the level of customization and control it allows. You buy your own servers, you make your own rules and you shape your own content. Your server basically becomes your "home". You ban who you want, you do what you want, and whomever doesn't like it can stay out. None of this is possible once you put it all under a company's wing. Regardless of what anyone says, being FORCED to play it on their servers means that, ultimately, it's their rules, and whatever they decide goes, because you CAN'T just leave and play on your own server. What if tomorrow Infinity Ward decides having the word "gay" in your name is not allowed? It's not like this kind of thing never happened before [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/89739-UPDATE-Microsoft-Disallows-Public-Lesbians-on-Xbox-Live]. Or that maybe swearing is not allowed.

Ultimately, this is not about having "LOLDICKGAYFAG!" as your user name, but over the fact that you no longer own the online portion of your game. You loan it. And you're subject to the whims and machinations of whomever at I.W..

Forced Matchmaking is yet another colossal dickmove... While it's nice to have the option to "quick join" a game, I think we all know by now how fun FORCED Matchmaking is (and how well it works).

These are all things that could potentially be great news if they were all added as options, but making them mandatory over the "tried and true" formula feels dictatorial and coercive at best, and self-destructive at worse.

Let's hope this is just a misinformed employee, and that we will get our dedicated servers and full control of our own game, at least as an option.

More on this as it develops.

Source: Section 8 [http://thesection8.blogspot.com/2009/10/iw-potentially-ruins-modern-warfare-2s.html]

Update: As reported here in the escapist earlier today [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95594-Infinity-Ward-Responds-to-Modern-Warfare-2-Controversy] Robert Bowling still seems resolute that this is the best for the PC owners, and seems to show no signs of backing down. Nice.
 

Flos

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I'm not that bright when it comes to this stuff, but it basically sounds like it will be working like how the 360 version does, ya?

I also don't understand why they wouldn't let others have the ability to host their own servers. Do they not pay less if LOLDICKGAYFAG! is paying for his own server?
 

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Was going to buy this on PC but wont if this is true. Games like TF2 work through steam use VAC etc. but still allow dedicated and custom servers.

This is a massive dump on PC gaming, trying to make online gaming as crap as on consoles is not cool.
 

ryai458

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now you now how we feel (xbox360 user) oh wait we dont care...
ok the only thing i worry about is forced matchmaking which i think is like halos?
 

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well I gues us consel gamers don't know how crappy we have it since.........well................that sounds just like the last 2 online systems to me, I guess PC gamers had it different?
 

xwhitey

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Man sounds bad for the pc players but us xbox ones will be ok. Any way no matter what way the game is IW will do good for us they know this is the biggest game to come out this year and if it goes wrong it could be the end of call of duty after the last game call of duty WAW was bad the only thing I think that made that game playable was the zombies mode.
 

Chipperz

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...I can't see anything there which console gamers have struggled to cope wi... No, wait, we've had it fine all this time. You'll live.
 

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Guitar Gamer said:
well I gues us consel gamers don't know how crappy we have it since.........well................that sounds just like the last 2 online systems to me, I guess PC gamers had it different?
Haha, thats what I was thinking. OH NO! Its exactly the same as all the other online FPS... wait a tic!

Then I realized it was on PC, so I no longer care.
 

Jim Grim

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Surely you should be more concerned with the gameplay? This sounds like a pretty minor interference.
 

oppp7

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Wow, MW2 is trying to screw over its fanbase? Who could have seen this coming considering they wanted to charge more in Europe to see if they could get away with it?
 

Radeonx

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While the lack of mods is important, nothing else seems too major.
The game will still be above par, and it will still sell like crazy.
 

Lowbreed

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What, the, shit?!
Pay for DLC on Steam? Are you fucking kidding me? Matchmaking instead of server browser, on STEAM/PC? Someone clearly wasn't thinking. While I don't really know much, I can't think of a logical reason as to why one would do this? It can't really cause a bigger profit or such. No dedicated servers?

AH fuck this, if I wanted a dumbed down experience I'd be playing it on the console.
Next thing you know the PC will have auto aim.
 

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Shapsters said:
Guitar Gamer said:
well I gues us consel gamers don't know how crappy we have it since.........well................that sounds just like the last 2 online systems to me, I guess PC gamers had it different?
Haha, thats what I was thinking. OH NO! Its exactly the same as all the other online FPS... wait a tic!

Then I realized it was on PC, so I no longer care.
like wise, now I shall go back to my crappy non chosen servers and paid DLC, it is such a travesty
 

Ishnuvalok

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Well this is just IW slapping their dicks across the face of the PC community.

The only thing I like is VAC instead of PB. Atleast VAC doesn't kick you for absolutely no reason. Everything else, I absolutely hate. Fuck you I.W, you just slapped your dick across our faces and laughed.
 

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Lowbreed said:
AH fuck this, if I wanted a dumbed down experience I'd be playing it on the console.
Next thing you know the PC will have auto aim.
And this, right here, is why all PC gamers get a reputation as being elitist bellends.

Lowbrow... Breed... Whatever... Don't post again, you're only making us look bad.
 

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If that's all true, then I'm glad I'll be able to buy Borderland instead. I'll consider getting MW2 IF players have control over the game servers, like they always did. Playing with or against clanners, competitive play, and all of that shit, that's what defined multiplayer games.

Matchmaking, what a joke.
 

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Caliostro said:
A lot of this stuff makes the game better IMO.

For one, it will have dedicated servers; they just wont be player run dedicated servers. They will be run by IW.

This combined w/ VAC (which is better than PB in that it does bans of ALL servers for cheaters & doesn't require players or server admins to do the banning) will make it A LOT harder for cheaters to get away w/ it. It will also prevent cheaters from trying to just change their key and switch servers once they get banned.