Joss Whedon is now helming Justice League movie.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This time the point of this thread is to ONLY focus on discussing about the Justice League movie and Joss Wheadon now helming it. I thought the Snyder situation of him leaving the director's chair because his daughter commited suicide was something so personal that I thought I had no buisness in even partaking on it out of respect for the man. I understand his grief and why he left and I offer my condolences all the same.

Now on to the topic I was TRYING to get across.

Joss Whedon is now helming the Justice League movie, and I really do not like the choice, I mean I know I have been told that he's only now editing director for post production but still, they could not find anyone else better than Whedon? I mean I liked the first Avengers, but the Avengers 2 utterly dissapointed me and gattered me and showed off the Whedons flaws.

I mean they could have had Geoff Johns helming the project considering he now has a hand in these DC movies, heck any great writer from Comic Books themselves, but no its Joss Whedon, because he made Avengers.

 

[Basement Cat]

Joss Whedon is now helming the Justice League movie, and I really do not like the choice, I mean I know I have been told that he's only now editing director for post production but still, they could not find anyone else better than Whedon? I mean I liked the first Avengers, but the Avengers 2 utterly dissapointed me and gattered me and showed off the Whedons flaws.

I mean they could have had Geoff Johns helming the project considering he now has a hand in these DC movies, heck any great writer from Comic Books themselves, but no its Joss Whedon, because he made Avengers.

Whedon was already involved in the project. According to an article I read Snyder's passing the baton to Whedon was the simplest and most obvious thing to do at this stage. Whedon readily accepted because he's, you know, he's Joss Whedon i.e. a good egg.

According to one article Whedon's influence will be relatively minimal.

Said Warner Bros. production president Toby Emmerich in the THR story: "The directing is minimal, and it has to adhere to the style and tone and the template that Zack set," says Emmerich. "We're not introducing any new characters. It's the same characters in some new scenes. He's handing a baton to Joss, but the course has really been set by Zack. I still believe that despite this tragedy, we'll still end up with a great movie."

Source:

http://ew.com/movies/2017/05/22/justice-league-zack-snyder-daughter-joss-whedon/

 

[Saelune]

So a former Marvel writer is now directing a DC movie huh?

 

[Redryhno]

Oh...wonderful. And here I was thinking that what Wonder Woman and Oracle needed was even MORE ruined childhood backstories....

 

[Parasondox]

So a former Marvel writer is now directing a DC movie huh?

Yeah. Because, unlike what comic book fan boys like to not believe, Directors and actors and even writers aren't as loyal as you may think. It's a job and project for them. They aren't fighting a war. Like how Gary Oldman was criticized by extreme fanboys for stating that playing Jim Gordon was just a job. That's it. Was just a job for him. A pay cheque. Fanboys need to relax at times.

 

[Saelune]

So a former Marvel writer is now directing a DC movie huh?

Yeah. Because, unlike what comic book fan boys like to not believe, Directors and actors and even writers aren't as loyal as you may think. It's a job and project for them. They aren't fighting a war. Like how Gary Oldman was criticized by extreme fanboys for stating that playing Jim Gordon was just a job. That's it. Was just a job for him. A pay cheque. Fanboys need to relax at times.

It was more me mocking DC than criticizing brand loyalty. I dont shit on the DC movies as much as others (aside from Joker and its abuse of music, I actually enjoyed Suicide Squad) but I find it funny that DC in trying so hard to be like the MCU, that this happened? Sure the why may not be what I am insinuating, but still.

Mostly I just find it funny.

 

[Parasondox]

So a former Marvel writer is now directing a DC movie huh?

Yeah. Because, unlike what comic book fan boys like to not believe, Directors and actors and even writers aren't as loyal as you may think. It's a job and project for them. They aren't fighting a war. Like how Gary Oldman was criticized by extreme fanboys for stating that playing Jim Gordon was just a job. That's it. Was just a job for him. A pay cheque. Fanboys need to relax at times.

It was more me mocking DC than criticizing brand loyalty. I dont shit on the DC movies as much as others (aside from Joker and its abuse of music, I actually enjoyed Suicide Squad) but I find it funny that DC in trying so hard to be like the MCU, that this happened? Sure the why may not be what I am insinuating, but still.

Mostly I just find it funny.

Yeah that's an executive move by a company that just does not see past Disney money.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

This time the point of this thread is to ONLY focus on discussing about the Justice League movie and Joss Wheadon now helming it. I thought the Snyder situation of him leaving the director's chair because his daughter commited suicide was something so personal that I thought I had no buisness in even partaking on it out of respect for the man. I understand his grief and why he left and I offer my condolences all the same.

Now on to the topic I was TRYING to get across.

Joss Whedon is now helming the Justice League movie, and I really do not like the choice, I mean I know I have been told that he's only now editing director for post production but still, they could not find anyone else better than Whedon? I mean I liked the first Avengers, but the Avengers 2 utterly dissapointed me and gattered me and showed off the Whedons flaws.

I mean they could have had Geoff Johns helming the project considering he now has a hand in these DC movies, heck any great writer from Comic Books themselves, but no its Joss Whedon, because he made Avengers.

Avengers 2 also had a bunch of studio interference from Ike Perlmutter. Avengers 2 is why Kevin Feige doesn't answer to him anymore because Perlmutter is a fucking idiot. Avengers 2 was not all Whedon's fault, and even though it was average it's better than the 3 DCEU films.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

Whatever Snyders Justice League might have looked like, Whedon's pretty much the worst person imaginable to replace him. I didn't have much hope for it in the first place but there was at least a chance Snyder would have done something interesting with it rather than just turning it into another Avengers.

Whedon's place always was in television. It's what he's good at. He has this far mostly failed at making a movie that actually feels like a movie.

 

[Saelune]

Whatever Snyders Justice League might have looked like, Whedon's pretty much the worst person imaginable to replace him. I didn't have much hope for it in the first place but there was at least a chance Snyder would have done something interesting with it rather than just turning it into another Avengers.

Whedon's place always was in television. It's what he's good at. He has this far mostly failed at making a movie that actually feels like a movie.

I get you probably know you are being hyperbolic, but still...Uwe Boll exists.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

Whatever Snyders Justice League might have looked like, Whedon's pretty much the worst person imaginable to replace him. I didn't have much hope for it in the first place but there was at least a chance Snyder would have done something interesting with it rather than just turning it into another Avengers.

Whedon's place always was in television. It's what he's good at. He has this far mostly failed at making a movie that actually feels like a movie.

I get you probably know you are being hyperbolic, but still...Uwe Boll exists.

Oh, don't pick on Uwe. He's a national treasure.

Nah, seriously though, when I said the worst" I didn't mean "the one to potentially make the worst movie" I meant "the worst to preserve a unique cinematic voice for the DCU. Of course Suicide Sauad kinda ruined that already but now I don't think they're gonna recover.

Wish they would have gotten Villeneuve or something but... yeah, wasn't gonna happen, I know.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Whatever Snyders Justice League might have looked like, Whedon's pretty much the worst person imaginable to replace him. I didn't have much hope for it in the first place but there was at least a chance Snyder would have done something interesting with it rather than just turning it into another Avengers.

Whedon's place always was in television. It's what he's good at. He has this far mostly failed at making a movie that actually feels like a movie.

I get you probably know you are being hyperbolic, but still...Uwe Boll exists.

He had the decency to retire last year.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Oh...wonderful. And here I was thinking that what Wonder Woman and Oracle needed was even MORE ruined childhood backstories....

Well, Joss has no say in Wonder Woman; what with it about a week away from general release. As for Oracle - well she got gut shot and paralysed by the Joker: trying to outdo or build on top of that is just going to look silly.

 

[Zhukov]

Joss Whedon is now helming the Justice League movie, and I really do not like the choice, I mean I know I have been told that he's only now editing director for post production but still, they could not find anyone else better than Whedon? I mean I liked the first Avengers, but the Avengers 2 utterly dissapointed me and gattered me and showed off the Whedons flaws.

I mean they could have had Geoff Johns helming the project considering he now has a hand in these DC movies, heck any great writer from Comic Books themselves, but no its Joss Whedon, because he made Avengers.

A quick bit of Googling reveals that Whedon has already been collaborating on Justice League for months now. Apparently he was writing for the reshoots that Snyder was filming until recently. Whatever "damage" you think Whedon is going to do to the movie has already been done.

It seems that Snyder asked him to take over. He was the natural choice since he was already involved, both with this film in particular and the DC movies in general.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

I'm naturally pretty depressed by the news about Zack Snyder's daughter and sad to see him go because I'm a personal fan of his directing style, but I can't think of many more capable replacements other than Whedon.

I doubt that this will lead to a campy shift in tone. Whedon is perfectly capable of doing very dark narratives when he wants to. He's just also great at injecting humour into otherwise-banal dialogue, which is probably something the DC films need going forward.

If there was some way to combine Snyder's amazing fight cinematography with Whedon's wit, that would be ideal. I'm hoping that's what we'll get, at least with Justice League.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

I gotta ask... Are you B-Cell? There's a lot of overlap.

Joss Whedon is now helming the Justice League movie...

Not really. He's seeing a presumably mostly shot production through to the end.

and I really do not like the choice...

Who cares. You felt you had to make a thread to tell the world that? Again?

I mean I know I have been told that he's only now editing director for post production but still, they could not find anyone else better than Whedon?

No, and yes, depending on your subjective opinion of his and a billion other people's qualities.

I mean I liked the first Avengers, but the Avengers 2 utterly dissapointed me and gattered me and showed off the Whedons flaws.

That's two films. What a body of work to judge from... On the bright side you've learnt to spell his name right, so kudos.

...but no its Joss Whedon, because he made Avengers

Or maybe because he made an absolute ton of stuff people like, he's got decades of experience in various mediums under his belt, and by lots of peoples reckoning (people in 'the biz') he's more than proved himself to be someone capable of dealing with a difficult, last minute situation as this.

I think Snyder's a variously incompetent hack of a director; a grimdark masculinist violence obsessed adolescent with a love of iconography and a surface understanding of anything beyond or under that. And yeah, I'm including Watchmen in that, too - I've not seen a single thing from Synder that leads me to believe he has any worthwhile talents (I used to like - and defend by calling it a misunderstood gem - Sucker Punch, but it's been so long since I've seen it that I don't trust my old thoughts on it, particularly as I've since seen other Snyder films). And no, setting up ridiculous/fancy lookin' slo-mo sequences doesn't count as a worthwhile talent. Cinema's a lot more than tricks and ticks.

So I had no faith in Justice League at all, particularly after the fascinating creative disaster that was BvS, and how obvious it was that the vissionless DCEU was desperately adjusting the tone after the reaction to that 'film'. Can Joss rescue Justice League, in my eyes? No, probably not, given Snyder's fingerprints would be smeared all over the story and direction. I'm not sure if we know how much production really was completed already, and that will change what Joss is able to do/not do.

A quick bit of Googling reveals that Whedon has already been collaborating on Justice League for months now. Apparently he was writing for the reshoots that Snyder was filming until recently.

Really? Joss Whedon writing reshoots for a Zack Snyder film? Yeesh, that's not something I feel will end well... Who knows, maybe Whedon could act as a tonal balance and this could be the start of a wonderful partnership, at least as far as the hitherto inanely hapless DCEU is concerned.

If there was some way to combine Snyder's amazing fight cinematography with Whedon's wit, that would be ideal. I'm hoping that's what we'll get, at least with Justice League.

"Amazing fight cinematography"?! Did we watch the same turgid, smoke filled CG clusterfuck that was BvS's finale? Or the pitiful, senseless/idiotic, bizarrely brief actual 'versus' many people have waited decades to see on the big screen?

 

[King Billi]

I figured that filming would have been more or less done by now? How much difference can he really make at this stage? In the editing perhaps but then I think that would most certainly be for the best as that has been the most glaring flaw I've seen in both Snyder's previous DC film's.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I gotta ask... Are you B-Cell? There's a lot of overlap.

Joss Whedon is now helming the Justice League movie...

Not really. He's seeing a presumably mostly shot production through to the end.

and I really do not like the choice...

Who cares. You felt you had to make a thread to tell the world that? Again?

I mean I know I have been told that he's only now editing director for post production but still, they could not find anyone else better than Whedon?

No, and yes, depending on your subjective opinion of his and a billion other people's qualities.

I mean I liked the first Avengers, but the Avengers 2 utterly dissapointed me and gattered me and showed off the Whedons flaws.

That's two films. What a body of work to judge from... On the bright side you've learnt to spell his name right, so kudos.

...but no its Joss Whedon, because he made Avengers

Or maybe because he made an absolute ton of stuff people like, he's got decades of experience in various mediums under his belt, and by lots of peoples reckoning (people in 'the biz') he's more than proved himself to be someone capable of dealing with a difficult, last minute situation as this.

I think Snyder's a variously incompetent hack of a director; a grimdark masculinist violence obsessed adolescent with a love of iconography and a surface understanding of anything beyond or under that. And yeah, I'm including Watchmen in that, too - I've not seen a single thing from Synder that leads me to believe he has any worthwhile talents (I used to like - and defend by calling it a misunderstood gem - Sucker Punch, but it's been so long since I've seen it that I don't trust my old thoughts on it, particularly as I've since seen other Snyder films). And no, setting up ridiculous/fancy lookin' slo-mo sequences doesn't count as a worthwhile talent. Cinema's a lot more than tricks and ticks.

So I had no faith in Justice League at all, particularly after the fascinating creative disaster that was BvS, and how obvious it was that the vissionless DCEU was desperately adjusting the tone after the reaction to that 'film'. Can Joss rescue Justice League, in my eyes? No, probably not, given Snyder's fingerprints would be smeared all over the story and direction. I'm not sure if we know how much production really was completed already, and that will change what Joss is able to do/not do.

A quick bit of Googling reveals that Whedon has already been collaborating on Justice League for months now. Apparently he was writing for the reshoots that Snyder was filming until recently.

Really? Joss Whedon writing reshoots for a Zack Snyder film? Yeesh, that's not something I feel will end well... Who knows, maybe Whedon could act as a tonal balance and this could be the start of a wonderful partnership, at least as far as the hitherto inanely hapless DCEU is concerned.

If there was some way to combine Snyder's amazing fight cinematography with Whedon's wit, that would be ideal. I'm hoping that's what we'll get, at least with Justice League.

"Amazing fight cinematography"?! Did we watch the same turgid, smoke filled CG clusterfuck that was BvS's finale? Or the pitiful, senseless/idiotic, bizarrely brief actual 'versus' many people have waited decades to see on the big screen?

"a grimdark masculinist violence obsessed adolescent"

And that what makes it cool, but now its gonna be lame now that its gonna be more like Marvel. I like DBZ when it was Grimdark and Brutal (Even though it did had humor that did made me laugh). Now they made it all lame with Dragon Ball Super.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This time the point of this thread is to ONLY focus on discussing about the Justice League movie and Joss Wheadon now helming it. I thought the Snyder situation of him leaving the director's chair because his daughter commited suicide was something so personal that I thought I had no buisness in even partaking on it out of respect for the man. I understand his grief and why he left and I offer my condolences all the same.

Now on to the topic I was TRYING to get across.

Joss Whedon is now helming the Justice League movie, and I really do not like the choice, I mean I know I have been told that he's only now editing director for post production but still, they could not find anyone else better than Whedon? I mean I liked the first Avengers, but the Avengers 2 utterly dissapointed me and gattered me and showed off the Whedons flaws.

I mean they could have had Geoff Johns helming the project considering he now has a hand in these DC movies, heck any great writer from Comic Books themselves, but no its Joss Whedon, because he made Avengers.

Avengers 2 also had a bunch of studio interference from Ike Perlmutter. Avengers 2 is why Kevin Feige doesn't answer to him anymore because Perlmutter is a fucking idiot. Avengers 2 was not all Whedon's fault, and even though it was average it's better than the 3 DCEU films.

But there are people that could be a much better choice, I mean imagine if the guy that did Logan took over the helm?

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

"a grimdark masculinist violence obsessed adolescent"

And that what makes it cool, but now its gonna be lame now that its gonna be more like Marvel.

Cue Fry and 'Not sure if... ' squint. You kinda come across like a parody of a YT comments section, hence the comparison with another seemingly self-confessed all-or-nothing grimdark-er here.

Well I suppose if you are an angsty adolescent boy, then maybe you have reason to see any of those things as a positive. But Zack Snyder isn't one of those, ergo why I find him such a disturbing and/or incompetent and unintelligent creator (though to be slightly fair he was obviously enabled; it's not as if BvS prolapsed out into public without Warner seeing it first... and Snyder was shooting whatever Terrio and Goyer 'wrote').

I figured that filming would have been more or less done by now? How much difference can he really make at this stage? In the editing perhaps but then I think that would most certainly be for the best as that has been the most glaring flaw I've seen in both Snyder's previous DC film's.

Snyder didn't edit either of those, though, it's a guy called David Brenner, who - after looking at his CV - I don't feel's had a film worth a damn since 1994's The River Wild...

Justice League has the same hall full of caffeinated monkeys 'writer' as both BvS and MoS - and there's no amount of editing that can deal with a bad script, unless of course Joss just cuts all the dialogue out and makes a silent movie out of it... which I'd applaud for sheer audacity (then again after recently seeing La La Land I think I want all films to be musicals, so I'd go for a savage re-cut and call it Justice League: The Musical. Momoa's Aquaman and Amber Heard's Mera 'under da sea', singing to each other? who doesn't want to see/hear that! it'd give the DCEU a distinct identity, after long last, and would certainly differentiate it from the MCU. the Bats vs Supes fight would've been awesome as a conflicted duet, too... ).

If Joss brings along one of his semi-regular editing collaborators, then sure, maybe he'll be able smooth the creases out, so to speak. But from the looks of it, Snyder being absent from the editing room won't be making much of a difference.