Just watched Japanese Force Awakens Trailer: Have a theory

[happyninja42]

So, not sure if this is an old theory or not, I don't really follow the social media furor about this, but watching the new trailer from Japan, and it's new scenes, kind of makes me think of a new theory.

So here it is:

Kylo Ren is Luke's son, who went Dark, and his failure as a father is one reason why Luke has been in hiding for years. This would explain how Kylo has force training, but also why he has an obsession with "finishing what Vader started". It's his grandfather's legacy after all. This idea does have a big plot hole of "well why didn't Luke teach him that his father was redeemed, and thus removing any need to complete a false legacy?" This is a good question, and I don't have an answer for it.

And that Rey, is Han/Leia's child, and thus Kylo's cousin. This would be similar to the "I'm your father" twist, without being the same. And it would provide an interesting bit of dramatic tension. Rey, who probably has never known any family, not only finally meets her parents (who sent her into hiding for some reason), but also that she's got a cousin. This will make her reluctant to kill him, and thus try and turn him to the good side, but will probably fail, since he's got to be bad for at least one whole movie.

And John Boyega's character is just someone else who comes from a force sensitive line, to establish that it's not just the freaking Skywalkers that have force powers.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I like the theory. It keeps the focus on the Skywalker lineage and the push/pull of the Dark Side each member faces. It would also explain Luke's "shameful exile", Obi-Wan style. More importantly, it keeps Luke as a good guy, which makes sense considering he already walked that push/pull arc.

 

[happyninja42]

I like the theory. It keeps the focus on the Skywalker lineage and the push/pull of the Dark Side each member faces. It would also explain Luke's "shameful exile", Obi-Wan style. More importantly, it keeps Luke as a good guy, which makes sense considering he already walked that push/pull arc.

Yeah I don't subscribe at all to the "Evil Luke" theory. It just makes things unnecessarily muddy plot wise. Besides, somebody needs to be the "wise wizard" to teach the new generation of Jedi how to be Jedi. And aside from the mysterious woman who is narrating all the trailers (whoever she is), the only person to do that would be Luke.

 

[Fappy]

I think it's more likely that Rey is Luke's daughter and Kylo is Han and Leia's.

 

[happyninja42]

I think it's more likely that Rey is Luke's daughter and Kylo is Han and Leia's.

Why do you say that?

 

[mad825]

Vader didn't *start* anything. If anything he was a puppet to Palpatine, a high ranking puppet but a puppet nonetheless. Even if we were to ignore the prequels Vader still had some pretty serous personal issues.

 

[Fappy]

I think it's more likely that Rey is Luke's daughter and Kylo is Han and Leia's.

Why do you say that?

I just think it makes more sense thematically. Assuming Luke is playing the role of mentor throughout the films (which I believe will be the case) it would be more interesting if he were her father rather than her uncle. Also, why would Rey just be some weird loner living out in the middle of nowhere if her parents are Leia and Han? From the trailers we can tell that at least Leia serves some role in the New Republic (or whatever they are calling it) and Han likely does too. Why would their daughter peace out at such a young age like that to become a scavenger of all things. To me, it makes more sense that she's off on her own because Luke became some kind of weird hermit for whatever reason (hates the force now, his wife died or both?).

Kylo Ren, on the other hand, may have just fallen in with the wrong crowd. Maybe he hit a rebellious phase and thinks the New Republic's rhetoric is bullshit. Maybe when the force awakened inside him he was ostracized by those around him and when his mother tried to reach out to him he rejected her.

An argument could be made for both, but I am putting my money on Luke/Rey and Han + Leia/Kylo Ren.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I speculated before the Japanese trailer that they might be siblings. Cousins would make sense too, I guess.

Finn's last name has also been kept quiet, so there might be more to his parentage than just "another random force sensitive".

 

[happyninja42]

I think it's more likely that Rey is Luke's daughter and Kylo is Han and Leia's.

Why do you say that?

I just think it makes more sense thematically. Assuming Luke is playing the role of mentor throughout the films (which I believe will be the case) it would be more interesting if he were her father rather than her uncle. Also, why would Rey just be some weird loner living out in the middle of nowhere if her parents are Leia and Han? From the trailers we can tell that at least Leia serves some role in the New Republic (or whatever they are calling it) and Han likely does too. Why would their daughter peace out at such a young age like that to become a scavenger of all things. To me, it makes more sense that she's off on her own because Luke became some kind of weird hermit for whatever reason (hates the force now, his wife died or both?).

Kylo Ren, on the other hand, may have just fallen in with the wrong crowd. Maybe he hit a rebellious phase and thinks the New Republic's rhetoric is bullshit. Maybe when the force awakened inside him he was ostracized by those around him and when his mother tried to reach out to him he rejected her.

An argument could be made for both, but I am putting my money on Luke/Rey and Han + Leia/Kylo Ren.

That's perfectly valid, mines just speculation anyway. I agree the fact that Rey is a scavenger does make her being a Solo a bit sketchy. But I have a few theories on this:

1. She was intentionally sent somewhere else, due to fear of assassination being the child of one of the more powerful women in the new Republic. A bit sketchy I know, but I've seen worse ideas in movies.

2. She was traveling on her own as a young child, perhaps with a nanny, and the ship crashed in that planet. Her parents, believing her dead, never looked for her. Without any way to get offworld (she can't afford the likely very expensive transportation), she lived her life there, without any knowledge of her ancestry. I'm assuming she was VERY young for this, like 2-4 at the most, possibly younger to have no real memory of her family.

Both are a bit shaky I'll admit, but those are what I came up with off the top of my head to explain it.

Personally I don't care if they are related to the Skywalker's or not, or in what way, I just want a good movie. xD

 

[Fappy]

I speculated before the Japanese trailer that they might be siblings. Cousins would make sense too, I guess.

Finn's last name has also been kept quiet, so there might be more to his parentage than just "another random force sensitive".

I'm pretty sure Finn is a red herring and isn't actually force sensitive. He'll probably pick up the lightsaber because he doesn't have anything else to defend himself with and get his ass kicked. In the trailers he looks terrified as Kylo comes for him and we never see him using the force. I am assuming "Force Awakens" refers to what happens to Rey at some point in act 3 either before or after Finn gets his ass kicked. That said, I am pretty sure someone dying will trigger her awakening and a lot of people seem to think it'll be Han.

Just my speculation though

 

[Fappy]

I think it's more likely that Rey is Luke's daughter and Kylo is Han and Leia's.

Why do you say that?

I just think it makes more sense thematically. Assuming Luke is playing the role of mentor throughout the films (which I believe will be the case) it would be more interesting if he were her father rather than her uncle. Also, why would Rey just be some weird loner living out in the middle of nowhere if her parents are Leia and Han? From the trailers we can tell that at least Leia serves some role in the New Republic (or whatever they are calling it) and Han likely does too. Why would their daughter peace out at such a young age like that to become a scavenger of all things. To me, it makes more sense that she's off on her own because Luke became some kind of weird hermit for whatever reason (hates the force now, his wife died or both?).

Kylo Ren, on the other hand, may have just fallen in with the wrong crowd. Maybe he hit a rebellious phase and thinks the New Republic's rhetoric is bullshit. Maybe when the force awakened inside him he was ostracized by those around him and when his mother tried to reach out to him he rejected her.

An argument could be made for both, but I am putting my money on Luke/Rey and Han + Leia/Kylo Ren.

That's perfectly valid, mines just speculation anyway. I agree the fact that Rey is a scavenger does make her being a Solo a bit sketchy. But I have a few theories on this:

1. She was intentionally sent somewhere else, due to fear of assassination being the child of one of the more powerful women in the new Republic. A bit sketchy I know, but I've seen worse ideas in movies.

2. She was traveling on her own as a young child, perhaps with a nanny, and the ship crashed in that planet. Her parents, believing her dead, never looked for her. Without any way to get offworld (she can't afford the likely very expensive transportation), she lived her life there, without any knowledge of her ancestry. I'm assuming she was VERY young for this, like 2-4 at the most, possibly younger to have no real memory of her family.

Both are a bit shaky I'll admit, but those are what I came up with off the top of my head to explain it.

Personally I don't care if they are related to the Skywalker's or not, or in what way, I just want a good movie. xD

Yeah, as long as the character connections aren't contrived or dumb, I'll be content. I just want a good Star Wars movie too >.<

 

[BloatedGuppy]

2. She was traveling on her own as a young child, perhaps with a nanny, and the ship crashed in that planet. Her parents, believing her dead, never looked for her. Without any way to get offworld (she can't afford the likely very expensive transportation), she lived her life there, without any knowledge of her ancestry. I'm assuming she was VERY young for this, like 2-4 at the most, possibly younger to have no real memory of her family.

Just judging by what we've seen and what we can derive from that in terms of the film's structure in terms of acts, Rey and Finn are going to be getting off-planet with Han in a big damn hurry. That would suggest to me that she already knows/has access to Han in some capacity.

I'm pretty sure Finn is a red herring and isn't actually force sensitive. He'll probably pick up the lightsaber because he doesn't have anything else to defend himself with and get his ass kicked. In the trailers he looks terrified as Kylo comes for him and we never see him using the force.

Yeah I've considered that too. I do think it's quite possible he's a red herring Jedi. I also think he's going to be a significant character, I don't think they cast Boyega just to clown people.

I've also considered that Issac might be turned/become a bad guy at some point. Playing bad guys has certainly been right in his wheelhouse in the past.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Honestly I'm guessing Kylo is just some dude. This is J.J. Abrahms here, not M.Night.

Khan in the new Trek movies wasn't Uhura's long lost twin brother. Nor was Kirk Spock's father.

Kylo will just be some dude, proablby explained in a breif flashback with Vader like StarKiller or something, he kills Luke, and the good-guy StormTrooper becomes a new Jedi overnight, fights off Kylo for the last 20mins, is rescued by whats-her-face and the Alliance will cripple the big-bad Not-Deathstar, but Kylo survives to make another billion dollar movie.

 

[Fappy]

2. She was traveling on her own as a young child, perhaps with a nanny, and the ship crashed in that planet. Her parents, believing her dead, never looked for her. Without any way to get offworld (she can't afford the likely very expensive transportation), she lived her life there, without any knowledge of her ancestry. I'm assuming she was VERY young for this, like 2-4 at the most, possibly younger to have no real memory of her family.

Just judging by what we've seen and what we can derive from that in terms of the film's structure in terms of acts, Rey and Finn are going to be getting off-planet with Han in a big damn hurry. That would suggest to me that she already knows/has access to Han in some capacity.

I'm pretty sure Finn is a red herring and isn't actually force sensitive. He'll probably pick up the lightsaber because he doesn't have anything else to defend himself with and get his ass kicked. In the trailers he looks terrified as Kylo comes for him and we never see him using the force.

Yeah I've considered that too. I do think it's quite possible he's a red herring Jedi. I also think he's going to be a significant character, I don't think they cast Boyega just to clown people.

I've also considered that Issac might be turned/become a bad guy at some point. Playing bad guys has certainly been right in his wheelhouse in the past.

Oh yeah, no doubt. I think Finn's the new Han so-to-speak, at least as far as having a non-jedi BFF. Maybe he'll even be Rey's love interest.

Regarding Kylo Ren, I think there's a good chance he gets turned to the lightside (without an immediate death) at some point in the films. There's also a distinct possibility he gets merced in the first film considering he's the only actor not officially signed on for XIII yet.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Honestly I'm guessing Kylo is just some dude. This is J.J. Abrahms here, not M.Night.

If only there had been some history in the Star Wars films of "surprising" reveals, and M. Night Shyamalan hadn't invented the concept in 1999.

Regarding Kylo Ren, I think there's a good chance he gets turned to the lightside (without an immediate death) at some point in the films. There's also a distinct possibility he gets merced in the first film considering he's the only actor not officially signed on for XIII yet.

If Driver pulls a Darth Maul and takes a powder in the first movie, I'm doubling-down on my Issac-is-the-real-bad-guy theory.

And Rey can't have a love interest! Jedi aren't alllllooooowwwwwwedddddd....

 

[Fappy]

Honestly I'm guessing Kylo is just some dude. This is J.J. Abrahms here, not M.Night.

If only there had been some history in the Star Wars films of "surprising" reveals, and M. Night Shyamalan hadn't invented the concept in 1999.

Regarding Kylo Ren, I think there's a good chance he gets turned to the lightside (without an immediate death) at some point in the films. There's also a distinct possibility he gets merced in the first film considering he's the only actor not officially signed on for XIII yet.

If Driver pulls a Darth Maul and takes a powder in the first movie, I'm doubling-down on my Issac-is-the-real-bad-guy theory.

And Rey can't have a love interest! Jedi aren't alllllooooowwwwwwedddddd....

Finn's going to succeed where Lando failed. This is 2015, Guppy. He's gots ta get dat booty.

Also, another thing about Finn: he's totes not a real stormtrooper. He's totes a spy for the republic. Watch the trailers with that in mind and you'll see it

Spoiler

Where does he get that rebel jacket out in the middle of the desert?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Finn's going to succeed where Lando failed. This is 2015, Guppy. He's gots ta get dat booty.

Also, another thing about Finn: he's totes not a real stormtrooper. He's totes a spy for the republic. Watch the trailers with that in mind and you'll see it

Spoiler

Where does he get that rebel jacket out in the middle of the desert?

Those Rebel Jackets are 39 Spacebucks at every Rebel Gap outlet.

I imagine going to the dark side is like the "teen pregnancy" nuclear deterrent to promote abstinence of the Star Wars universe. "No you can NOT have a boy at your sleepover! Do you want to go to the Dark Side?"

 

[Fappy]

Finn's going to succeed where Lando failed. This is 2015, Guppy. He's gots ta get dat booty.

Also, another thing about Finn: he's totes not a real stormtrooper. He's totes a spy for the republic. Watch the trailers with that in mind and you'll see it

Spoiler

Where does he get that rebel jacket out in the middle of the desert?

Those Rebel Jackets are 39 Spacebucks at every Rebel Gap outlet.

I imagine going to the dark side is like the "teen pregnancy" nuclear deterrent to promote abstinence of the Star Wars universe. "No you can NOT have a boy at your sleepover! Do you want to go to the Dark Side?"

This brings a whole new meaning to force choking.

....

I'll see myself out.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Interesting theory but where does Finn fit in or he doesn't at all?

 

[happyninja42]

Interesting theory but where does Finn fit in or he doesn't at all?

In my theory, he's just "another person who isn't a Skywalker who is force sensitive". We know that there are many many people in the galaxy who have a connection to the Force. I think Finn is one of those. I think he's there to represent a new upwelling of Force users, now that the Force is "Awakening". That the Force drew him to her, and then the both of them along to find a teacher.

I speculated before the Japanese trailer that they might be siblings. Cousins would make sense too, I guess.

Finn's last name has also been kept quiet, so there might be more to his parentage than just "another random force sensitive".

I'm pretty sure Finn is a red herring and isn't actually force sensitive. He'll probably pick up the lightsaber because he doesn't have anything else to defend himself with and get his ass kicked. In the trailers he looks terrified as Kylo comes for him and we never see him using the force. I am assuming "Force Awakens" refers to what happens to Rey at some point in act 3 either before or after Finn gets his ass kicked. That said, I am pretty sure someone dying will trigger her awakening and a lot of people seem to think it'll be Han.

Just my speculation though

I don't see Finn being a red herring. I do think he's going to have Force powers, he's just a greenhorn. I think he's going to be like Luke in Empire Strikes Back, when he first faces Vader. Just WAAAAAY outclassed by the big scary Sith. xD I mean a bit of fear facing a foe for the first time is totally natural.

I base this partly on John Boyega's reaction to the last trailer, (Which is awesome by the way). The trailer has Han say the words "The Jedi", right as Finn is center frame, and John Boyega's reaction was to say "DAMN RIGHT!". It felt like his reaction to the fact that his character is a Jedi, possibly hinting at it. Plus, I just don't see them trolling the entire planet by having the one time we see a good guy wield a lightsaber, that he isn't actually a Force user. I can't prove this, but I would be annoyed to learn that it's the case. xD

2. She was traveling on her own as a young child, perhaps with a nanny, and the ship crashed in that planet. Her parents, believing her dead, never looked for her. Without any way to get offworld (she can't afford the likely very expensive transportation), she lived her life there, without any knowledge of her ancestry. I'm assuming she was VERY young for this, like 2-4 at the most, possibly younger to have no real memory of her family.

Just judging by what we've seen and what we can derive from that in terms of the film's structure in terms of acts, Rey and Finn are going to be getting off-planet with Han in a big damn hurry. That would suggest to me that she already knows/has access to Han in some capacity.

Fair point, how did they end up bumping into Han. I dunno. xD