Legacy of Kain: Nosgoth. Righteous indignation or over-entitlement fanboism ?

[DarkDain]

So i've never played anything in the LoK series, but am still slightly interested in the game Nosogth. Its a multiplayer f2p 3rd person action game, i think the closest comparison is Primal Carnage since it pits a team of ranged focus humans against a powerful melee team of vampires, with 3 different classes on each side. Outside of that, it has no single player or story mode. But could be similar to Chivalry, Forge, Natural Selection or the Savage series (besides building)

Since there has not been a LoK game in so long until this, i've seen nothing but frothing hatred from the LoK fanbase about this game and how much it sucks despite having never played it. Apparently they were making a LoK game called Deadsun, but it got scrapped and they used assets from that game to create Nosgoth instead. It apparently doesnt match the 'lore' that well and has nothing to do with the series, so fans are outraged and very vocal about it.

On one hand they are clearly judging a game they have never played, for reasons that have no bearing on the game itself (lore, characters, story, its an action game) and are full set on ruining it before it even launches, they could potentially wreck an otherwise good game just to spite.

On the other, they havnt gotten a legitimate game in the series for a long time, and when they do its an 'unfaithful' f2p title that seems to be LoK in name only and feel cheated.

Personally im interested and i'll try the game and see how it stands on its own, and dont give a damn about the story or lore. How do others feel about this situation, the new direction the company has taken, and the fans reaction ? No poll, just comments, discussion, examples !

 

[DoPo]

Apparently they were making a LoK game called Deadsun, but it got scrapped and they used assets from that game to create Nosgoth instead.

No, more like Dead Sun was being developed for a year or two at the time but then the single player component was scrapped and Nosgoth is the multiplayer one.

On the other, they havnt gotten a legitimate game in the series for a long time, and when they do its an 'unfaithful' f2p title that seems to be LoK in name only and feel cheated.

Not really "unfaithful" more like...unneeded. There is just absolutely no point in making this an LoK game, it's barely connected to the rest (though, to be honest it is, just...well, barely) and it's deviating a lot from what the core fanbase wants. And namely - a conclusion. LoK, hasn't been great in the gameplay department, mostly hovered around "decent" but the story is what got people invested.

Nosgoth, is focusing on something completely different for the series. Is it good? I have no clue - it's not for me. Yeah, as simple as that - I am just not interested in this kind of game. Same thing with the other games you mentioned - Chivalry and whatever - don't know if they are good or bad, don't care, they are just not my kind of game. I suppose some LoK fans would like it, others won't, so it's really puzzling to me why make it an LoK game at all - it's not going after the core fanbase, it's definitely going to build a completely different one at the same time, the connection to the series is so frail, it can be removed with the barest of effort[footnote]remove some names. That's it. The assets can be slightly altered but other than that, you'll have a completely new game that can stand on its own.[/footnote], so why it bares the title, I am a bit confused.

Still, I'm not really outraged for its existence - I won't lie - a bit disappointed, but nowhere near outraged. It gets a shrug of my shoulders and a thoughtful look from me but that's it. It's just yet another year with no continuation of the story I've waited for so long. Yet another opportunity wasted. Oh well, I must say, I'm used to it already.

EDIT: For the record, if you're interested in what's "surrounding" Nosgoth, so to say, here - watch this

Spoiler: Intro of Soul Reaver

The game is set between about 2:20 and 2:45 - when Raziel is cast in the Abyss and when he...well, exits the Abyss. That there is most of the connection Nosgoth has shown to have with the rest of...Nosgoth (heh-heh - pun).

 

[ShinyCharizard]

Definitely righteous indignation. Using the Legacy of Kain IP here is fucking stupid. Like Syndicate and others before it all they will do is piss off the existing fan-base while failing to attract a new one.

 

[BQE]

When a number of folks have mentioned that a large portion of threads just run in circles, I couldn't believe it. After doing some quick searches on the topic, I was able find three Nosgoth threads in September.

The latest being this one.

Oh well, comes with the territory I suppose.

Onto the topic! I still feel the same exact way as before: The game is fine, salvaging a scrapped endeavor is better than disposing of it completely given the right care. I still can't even see what gets people so riled up about this. It'll be fine, relax. If it's terrible, then it's terrible. We as consumers are no worse for the wear, if the product is terrible and we ignore, or if the product is never released and we ignore it, we are out the same amount are we not?

I advocate patience here, and an open mind. There is no need for any righteous indignation because we aren't entitled to anything. Nobody has even come close to touching the LoK IP and with responses like these even few will try. The series you so love may never see the light of day again.

I suppose, some people may want that. Just do me a favor, just a small one. Draw an imaginary line between this game succeeding, and more LoK games being released. It's pretty easy to do isn't it?

Just, relax

 

[synobal]

Definitely righteous indignation. Using the Legacy of Kain IP here is fucking stupid. Like Syndicate and others before it all they will do is piss off the existing fan-base while failing to attract a new one.

Pretty much this. They aren't leveraging an existing fan base to a new IP, they are alienating said fan base. What is the point of using an existing IP if you can't get the old fan base interested to boost sales etc?

Syndicate, is a good example of this, and likely the new thief.

 

[Eve Charm]

I'd call it righteous indignation but honesty is just a Blasphemy on the developers part. No beloved franchise has ever been "Revived" in a completely new direction has even been well received. Basically they want to use the name just to get sales, but honestly the games would be better if they stood on their own and not compared to the ones people hold on a pedestal. Syndicate the shooter, Shadow run the shooter. Even when they try to copy it it's usually shunned.

Take silent hill 4, homecoming and downpour, if they dropped silent hill in the name they'd have games that could stand on their own two feet pretty well. Take Lone Survivor for example, It's silent hill inspired, different, and people like it, if it was called Silent Hill : Lone Survivor people would just say how crap it looks and what did they do to their beloved silent hill 2.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Onto the topic! I still feel the same exact way as before: The game is fine, salvaging a scrapped endeavor is better than disposing of it completely given the right care. I still can't even see what gets people so riled up about this. It'll be fine, relax. If it's terrible, then it's terrible. We as consumers are no worse for the wear, if the product is terrible and we ignore, or if the product is never released and we ignore it, we are out the same amount are we not?

I'd say you're partially wrong on this count. If the game sucks and no one buys it, publishers will more than likely point to that and say "well, I guess no one wants a new Legacy of Kain game, better not fund one because we won't get our investment back." Obviously that's not how it really is, TONS of people want a new Legacy of Kain, but no one really wants this one, they want the conclusion to the story. So this game could in fact fuck over any chance we have to get a new Legacy of Kain for a long time if it doesn't sell, because publishers are stupid pencil pushers who don't actually know anything about video games, and will pass on something just based on its title alone.

If anything they could have used the assets to create a completely different game that has nothing to do with Legacy of Kain. The link between this game and the core series is tenuous at best anyway, might as well sever the connection completely and let the game sink or float on its own merits rather than tie it with Legacy of Kain.

 

[DarkDain]

Well i hope its given a fair chance and judged by its gameplay rather than its connections to the series, reminds me of an old HL1 mod called Vampire Hunter. I cant say no to shooting vampires and i enjoyed titles like Forge and Savage.