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Inkidu

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Blizzard is possibly the worst thing for the video game industry today, and I sincerely wish it would fall under new management or go out of business.

I'm going to wait for the inner and outer raging to die out. So everyone who is actually interested is still here and the hardcore, never-say-die fans have left. Super.

Reason one: They've not produced anything new since 2001, and I'm being generous. By new I mean a new intellectual property (I.P.). Everything they have produced since Diablo has been a sequel expansion MMO-ification of some old property that has done successfully well. Think about it. Starcraft and its expansions, Diablo and its sequel, Warcraft and subsequent installments. Now, I'm not one to go bashing sequels. I like some of them, I hate some of them. That's not the point. The point is Blizzard is trying desperately to stay where it can make the most money for the minimum amount of creativity. I say if you're one of those people who think that games are joining the echelons of mediums that are considered art you should abandon Blizzard.

Some people say, "I wish every company was like Blizzard. They refine their games, releasing only when ready so that it is perfect." Well, champ, I'm going to present to you the other edge of that sword. Refining is all well and good, but honestly if every game was like Blizzard I sincerely doubt we'd have 3-D gaming, I doubt we would have 2.5-D gaming either. Sure Blizzard's business model is pure gold. They rake in what has to be millions on a bad year. However, in innovation, in pushing the envelope, and in general Blizzard might as well be trying to fight off guns with swords. Sure it works for a little while in real life (and works really well in Final Fantasy) but eventually the guy who jumps on this newfangled gun is going to walk away a winner. Just ask Japan, Montezuma, and a whole slew of other people.

Maybe that's an unfair comparison... to the indigenous people. They didn't know this gun was out here history shows that people learned to use them really quickly. Blizzard on the other hand jams its fingers in its ears and says, "We don't need you we just need the Skinner Box!"
If any of you are wondering there is a "Extra Credits" that deals with this issue. Look it up if you're interested. Blizzard's unwillingness to change is also shown in their inability to embrace other platforms. I will cite Mr. MovieBob's "The Big Picture" episode "The P.C. Gamer is Dead--Long Live the P.C. Gamer" as supporting opinion.

I also hear tell of a new M.M.O.R.P.G. that Blizzard is working on. Now, I might be wrong, I often am. No one is perfect, but do you really think their new M.M.O.R.P.G. is going to vary greatly from W.O.W. in anything mechanical. I doubt it. Doing that would be killing the golden goose 101.

Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not advocating the selling of bad or lazily designed games. People need to remember to take pride in doing their jobs. However, not creating anything new in an artistic medium is laziness in and of itself. I'll let you guys in on a little secret. Leonardo da Vinci never finished the "Mona Lisa". Some of you might be aware of this fact, it's there for the people who aren't. Well let's see: A man left an unpolished, unfinished piece of art to the world and to this day people of all ages and origins flock to France to see it. I like my care and polish as much as the next guy, but at some point I'm going to get bored of the same game no matter how carefully planned and flawless it appears to be.

So Blizzard sticks with what's safe, they make oodles of money for it, and they hide behind the guise of polish. Okay, I can see that. However, do you think any other company could go thirteen years without release in new game and still stay in the black? I don't. Alright, so they make a lot of money from W.O.W., and this I have established is basically learned Skinner-esque behavior. If I let this slide, and for the sake of argument I will, then they're creating a billion dollars a year in revenue a year. So lets be fair. Let's take out funding for new projects, overhead, bonuses, and even though it's technically overhead costs, maintenance on servers, oh I'm feeling philanthropic as well. Let's throw in charities. Even if that leaves them with ten million dollars a year couldn't they push that into some kind of branch or independent label, a studio, something? So, yes they are the worse thing for the modern movements in gaming. EA at least has some small studios that occasionally produce something new and good. Why can't Blizzard do the same. They're like the E. Scrooge of the video game world and there's not any Jacob Marley in sight.

It's not a question of whether or not I like Blizzard games, it's not a question of are Blizzard's games good or bad. It's a question of what is Blizzard doing to move the industry forward, and I feel the answer is, nothing.
 

bob1052

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Attacking Blizzard because they only have 3 IPs going at a time is pretty stupid, considering most developers only have 1 flagship IP at a time.

Inkidu said:
I will cite Mr. MovieBob's "The Big Picture" episode "The P.C. Gamer is Dead--Long Live the P.C. Gamer" as supporting opinion.
You do realize that MB has absolutely no clue what he was saying in that video, right?

Like I mean absolutely nothing.
 

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So...because they don't bring out new franchise or innovate much they should be got rid of?

I can understand people personally not liking games by them for that, but what's wrong with the existence of the company? How is the company's practices hurting gamers or the industry?
 

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bob1052 said:
You do realize that MB has absolutely no clue what he was saying in that video, right?

Like I mean absolutely nothing.
Predicting the future does tend to lean on the "difficult to do" end of the spectrum.
 

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You touch on a point, but I don't think it's limited to Blizzard. It's the irony of video game advancement. Games are more advanced than ever and have the potential to create incredible experiences, but those fancy 3d engines cost lots of money and corporate shareholders are forcing developers to "stick with what works", rather take those super duper tools to create innovative experiences.

I think Rift is a great, recent, example of this. A solid game, but it doesn't reinvent the wheel. It just takes what works and re-polishes to a different audience.

It sucks, but I don't think the blame lies with developers (not 100%), but with the guys with the money.
 

Fiz_The_Toaster

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Never mind that maintaining a huge MMO like WOW takes a lot of time, energy, and people to make sure people are still enjoying their game and adding new content to make sure it doesn't get old.

I get how some people don't like their games, it's not for everyone, but to not like them because they only have 3 IPs, running at the same time, and not doing something new all the time? That's a bit much, and you sir, have some lofty expectations.
 

Rylot

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It seems like you're saying Blizz shouldn't make games anymore because they aren't pushing the envelope; isn't that kinda like saying a painter who's making a living off of selling his paintings and is generally well respected in the art community should just stop because he isn't Da Vinci?
 

HontooNoNeko

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Umm may I ask a few questions about these points.

"Reason one: They've not produced anything new since 2001"

I understand what your saying but honestly think about applying that logic in other areas of life. Is Mc Donalds or any other restaurant destroying the food industry? Sure they make new dishes but its always the same ingredients they aren't helping propel the food industry forward by releasing a new triple whopper are they? I would hardly say that they are destroying the food industry even if I don't like the food myself.

"Some people say, "I wish every company was like Blizzard."

So whats your point? How does what very few fans say actually form a valid argument against a company? I could say preschool is a demonic conspiracy to teach are children to sacrifice humans but I doubt your going to start protesting preschools. So why take the blizzard fans opinion seriously and then use it as a point against blizzard?

I also hear tell of a new M.M.O.R.P.G. that Blizzard is working on. Now, I might be wrong, I often am. No one is perfect, but do you really think their new M.M.O.R.P.G. is going to vary greatly from W.O.W. in anything mechanical. I doubt it.

Judging a game under the banner it carries rather than the merits it may possess. Under the same assumption I could consider you a troll(I'm not) simply because your attacking blizzard. However I judge your post on the points you made not what I simply believe it is. Of course that is your opinion and you can stand by it but I will not judge the game before I play it.
 

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Inkidu said:
I also hear tell of a new M.M.O.R.P.G. that Blizzard is working on. Now, I might be wrong, I often am. No one is perfect, but do you really think their new M.M.O.R.P.G. is going to vary greatly from W.O.W. in anything mechanical. I doubt it. Doing that would be killing the golden goose 101.
I disagree because by releasing an mmo that is exactly the same as wow they would have to compete with themselves which would probably be one of the dumbest things a company could do.
 

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Umm, didn't they just release Cataclysm? I understand you mean "new franchises", but how does that only apply to Blizzard? Nintendo hasn't made any new franchises recently, neither and Bethesda, Valve, Capcom, or Game Freak. In fact, off the top of my head I can't think of any major companies coming out with anything "new" in the recent years at all with the exception of course Bioware.
 

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Inkidu said:
It's not a question of whether or not I like Blizzard games, it's not a question of are Blizzard's games good or bad. It's a question of what is Blizzard doing to move the industry forward, and I feel the answer is, nothing.
Ive been saying this for years. Its the saem issue that CoD developers (and CoD clones have)

Did you HEAR DICE?

They want to make their game MORE like CoD
 

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Inkidu said:
Blizzard is possibly the worst thing for the video game industry today, and I sincerely wish it would fall under new management or go out of business.
Man, I am seriously not a mega blizzard fan, but you are pretty clueless here.

Blizzard is pretty much well known for their lack of creating new IPs. This isn't news. It isn't even surprising. What they are known for is polishing the ones they have until they shine.

Also, you are focusing on IP's instead of product line. Sure WoW and Warcraft take place in the same setting, but they are completely different types of games. Wow required a phenomenal amount of vision to pull off as expertly as they did. It was not an incremental modification to one of their existing products.

Honestly, this entire thing just comes off as ignorant sensationalism. Your premise, that a company needs more than 3 IP's, is completely false, and so all your arguments based on it are also wrong.
 

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Honestly, I don't hate Blizzard and I think they have done good work, but I do hate how a lot of people I know get over their games. I've known people who have screamed at me for playing something other than Starcraft II, and I know people who have shunned me because I've never played Diablo II. SO I guess it's not so much Blizzard as it is their hardest of the hardcore fanbase.
 

Inkidu

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failsauce said:
Inkidu said:
I also hear tell of a new M.M.O.R.P.G. that Blizzard is working on. Now, I might be wrong, I often am. No one is perfect, but do you really think their new M.M.O.R.P.G. is going to vary greatly from W.O.W. in anything mechanical. I doubt it. Doing that would be killing the golden goose 101.
I disagree because by releasing an mmo that is exactly the same as wow they would have to compete with themselves which would probably be one of the dumbest things a company could do.
Actually no it wouldn't. Because Blizzard is in control of when they can start weening people off of W.O.W. they have whole divisions of people dedicated to this, and are more than likely noticing the decline in W.O.W. sales. So when Blizzard "The Foremost Authority" on the M.M.O.R.P.G. speaks fans will listen.
 

ShadowyMOON

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So you don't agree with Blizzard's methods and design philosophy. Fair enough, I've played pretty much all their PC games and I personally won't mind if they just suddenly vanish. What I fail to see is how that would help the industry in any way.

They aren't forcing their design philosophy on anyone, nor are they buying and absorbing studious left and right like the Borg-ish EA and Activision. We've barely even begun to scrape the surface for the types of games that can be made, yet you want some of them to die off?