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Paragon Fury

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...its a wonder anyone gets hired.

Especially looking at the requirements for some game developers for ANY position, even not related to direct game development. I started looking again today (because my "You're going to get fired" sense is tingling) and damn, is anyone actually looking to hire anyone or are the job postings just for show.

7+ years with a shipped game for entry level game designer?

5+ human resources experience for a file clerk?

3+ years experience for basic customer service?

Jeez, all I want is a job that pays decently that I don't have to bike 40 minutes in the freezing ass cold twice a day for 4.5 months of the year to get to/back from. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if you needed a BA/BS to flip burgers soon.
 

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Paragon Fury said:
Jeez, all I want is a job that pays decently that I don't have to bike 40 minutes in the freezing ass cold twice a day for 4.5 months of the year to get to/back from.
Well sure, when you are THAT picky about your options... :p

I am currently doing my own job search (I have a job but I am looking to upgrade because I need something more to do and I'd like to get away from student loan debt one day...) and seeing some of the requirements for the entry level jobs is mind boggling. I'm not looking for entry level (you know, since I'm already entry leveled) but I see a lot of them in my own search

I have never seen an entry level job here that did not have "some experience" required. Kind of defeats the purpose of entry level...

OH! My favorite one was for a loan gig; entry level pay, with requirements including:

-A Bachelors Degree
-A license of some kind (I have no clue what the license was but generally any kind of financial license is going to be minimum $500)
-7 years experience in the financial field

When they find the person who has a BA AND 7 years experience who is willing to take this job, I'd love to meet them because I need to find out who their drug guy is cause that shit HAS to be good...
 

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The thing to know about 'requirements' is they are actually just guidelines for who the employer is hoping to get and often not stuck to if they can't find that ideal candidate. For example in my current job they were asking for at-least two years experience in a similar job, I actually had just two months experience of part-time voluntary work and still got the job as I was the best candidate they could find at short notice. You just have to keep sending applications and somewhat bend the truth when you have to and eventually you'll get your foot in the door.
 

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Apply for the positions anyway, even if you don't meet the requirements. This will be the advice most people will give you.

Many of the applicants, possibly even a majority, won't meet the requirements. But that doesn't mean all their applications get discarded without a second look.
 

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Welcome to a job market tilted heavily in favor of the employer. They can afford to be so exclusive because there are people desperate enough to take such low-level jobs while having such high qualifications- and why not get high quality for low price? Worrying about what happens to all the less-qualified people who can't get a job is for someone else.
 

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There are more people than jobs.
If you won't take the job, someone else will.
That's reality.

You can always become a politician.
A lot of people with zero qualifications get elected for public office.
 

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Welcome to a job market tilted heavily in favor of the employer. They can afford to be so exclusive because there are people desperate enough to take such low-level jobs while having such high qualifications- and why not get high quality for low price? Worrying about what happens to all the less-qualified people who can't get a job is for someone else.
Yeah, it's a total buyers market for employers: Loads of people desperate for jobs knocking at their door, so to get the best ones and weed out the worst they just push up the requirements.
A new cinema opened near where I live and a position for a part time popcorn vendor got over 15,000 applicants applying for it, so it's also kinda necessary for them to restrict applications to a reasonable number

In my experience unless you are applying for a position requiring specialist knowledge (Web designer/forensic scientist/laywer etc.) companies don't really care about your relevant skill level for entry positions - They're willing to train you up for a month or two for that. They mainly just want to ensure that you aren't a moron, and the best way to do that is to make sure you get glowing references from a previous employer (even if it's voluntary work)
 

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Still doesn't top the 2 years sales experience plus being bilingual that was required to hand out flyers I saw a year or so back.
 

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HardkorSB said:
There are more people than jobs.
If you won't take the job, someone else will.
That's reality.

You can always become a politician.
A lot of people with zero qualifications get elected for public office.
I have, given my miserable success at finding work, actually giving this, the going into politics part, serious consideration. I mean why not put one of the assholes who's responsible for me having such a hard time of it out of a job, right?

On the job hunting note I'd love to meet someone who has successfully landed a job blind (i.e. they didn't know anyone at the company and no one at the company knew them) from sites like Monster or CareerBuilder so I could ask them how many goats they sacrificed to do so.
 

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On the job hunting note I'd love to meet someone who has successfully landed a job blind (i.e. they didn't know anyone at the company and no one at the company knew them) from sites like Monster or CareerBuilder so I could ask them how many goats they sacrificed to do so.
Does getting through a Temp Agency count? Because I started my job "blind" through a temp agency and was eventually hired on when they realized how awesome I was.
 

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Well, in my field (IT) there is barely any job where you can apply without 3 years experience.

But sometimes you can. (Just apply, even if you don't have all requirements - it's just what the dude from HR was told they would LIKE to see)

But yeah, "gathering XP and leveling up" is the reason i am working for WAY less money than i would usually get - because i quit "college". Soon i have my 3 years - bar filled up *g*. Gamefication makes grinding xp in real life fun... eh, not really.
 

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I'm still amazed so many companies out there have absurdly long periods of time working in a field as a set requirement for a job when it's been common knowledge for years within the corporate world that once you get to 6 months experience performance doesn't change. The ammount of overqualification some jobs seem to be demanding these days probably stems from a much larger proportion of applications to job postings then the norm. I know that for the tech industry that's the case, it can't grow fast enough to meet the current flood of people leaving higher education for the field.
 

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You need to network to get jobs as most jobs aren't listed. Literally, talk to anyone who might listen.

I was talking to an old, semi-retired academic adviser a few months back about whether or not some scholarships went through. I mentioned to him that I was interested in studying Naval Architecture, and he set me up with a friend of his whose an executive at one of the larger shipping companies on the West Coast. At no point in time during that conversation did I step in thinking I was going to be asking for a job offer.
 

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I love ads for programmers asking for more years of experience in a given language than that language has existed.
 

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Pyrian said:
I love ads for programmers asking for more years of experience in a given language than that language has existed.
Maybe that's part of the test to weed out people who lie on resumes.

Either that or the HR Person thinks a programmer can "hack the mainframe" to make time travel possible.
 

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Somehow, I can't keep my positions filled. We accept anyone with a HS diploma or GED who can complete a sentence and show up to work on time, if at all. I live in a city with nearly a million people. Our starting pay is 13.00 an hour for those qualifications where the cost of living is such that a couple could live on 10 bucks an hour and a family on 15. I know why we can't keep people though; it's long boring work. The only thing people dislike more than hard work is boring work.
 

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Pyrian said:
I love ads for programmers asking for more years of experience in a given language than that language has existed.
Oh, man, now I can't wait to come across a job post asking for 5+ years of experience in Swift.

Paragon Fury said:
7+ years with a shipped game for entry level game designer?
I don't know a whole lot about the business side of things, but aren't Game Designer jobs relatively high-ranking jobs? Something tells me that that 7+ years experience is dealing with someone who has worked with the art or programming of a game and is looking to start moving up into being an actual designer. "Entry Level" may have to do with it being one of the lower-ranking game designers who is hoping to move up to a lead designer role in the future.
 

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Several years ago I worked for a security company whose website requirements for tech support employees included at least three years experience as a technician in the field. My buddies in tech support found this amusing since not one of them, including management, could fulfill that requirement.
 

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Some how I swindleed a management "position" at a local reforestation tree nursary.
With no experience in the field at all, Only because I'm "educated" in horticulture. Even though I'm half way across the country right now and not even finished school. Here I thought I was boned job wise.