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MetalDooley

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Ok I've always considered myself to be a Marvel fan.I've watched a lot of the cartoons over the years and still count the mid 90's Spider-man and X-Men cartoons among my favourite animated shows.I've seen pretty much every Marvel movie including the god awful straight to video/made for tv ones and I've played tons of videogames featuring Marvel characters

The thing is I've never really read Marvel comics though(was always more of a 2000AD guy if you couldn't guess from my avatar)and this is what I want to change.Problem is with decades of comics to choose from where exactly do I begin.So my question to ye is..

What are the classic Marvel superhero stories that I should read?

Two things
1 - I'm looking for stories that are easily available in collected graphic novel/trade paperback format
2 - My preferred heroes are Spider-man,X-Men,Iron Man,Thor and The Avengers as a collective but feel free to suggest other heroes/crossovers etc.

Any advice will be much appreciated
 

Hazy992

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Well seeing as you like X-Men you definitely have to check some of Chris Claremont's work. Stories like The Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past and God Loves, Man Kills are well regarded.

Definitely check out Old Man Logan as well for a really good, contained story.
 

MetalDooley

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Hazy992 said:
Well seeing as you like X-Men you definitely have to check some of Chris Claremont's work. Stories like The Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past and God Loves, Man Kills are well regarded.

Definitely check out Old Man Logan as well for a really good, contained story.
Is Days of Future Past the story the upcoming movie is based on?Might check that out before seeing the movie so.

Thanks for the suggestions.I'll add them to my list
 

Mr. Q

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If you're looking for TBP's of Avengers, I am more than happy to help out with that.

If you want to start from the beginning, I recommend either looking for the Marvel Masterworks or the Marvel Essentials. The different between them is that the Masterworks collection has around 10 issues each and are in color while the Essentials collection has roughly 24 issues or so but they're in black & white and printed on low grade paper. Depending on your preference, you can't go wrong with either one. You can find some of them for great low prices on Amazon.com.

In regards to collected stories, here is a list of trade paperbacks you might enjoy.

Avengers Assemble Volumes 1-5 by Kurt Busiek, George Perez, and various writers & artists: This was the series that got me into Avengers after the Heroes Reborn/Heroes Return saga came to an end. Busiek's writing stays true to each member of the team while giving them needed character development. He also brought back classic villains in major ways (Ultron Unleashed is great example) while the artwork of Perez is icing on the cake. This is a definitive addition to anyone's TPB collection.

Avengers: Under Seige by Roger Stern and John Buscema: A modern classic that pits Earth's Mightiest Heroes against their deadliest rivals; Baron Zemo and The Masters of Evil. This time, Zemo and his gang of villains go for the throat as they attack each Avenger separately and stage an attack on Avengers Mansion. This is a battle where no one comes unscathed. No matter which team comes out on top, there are no winners in the end.

Avengers: The Kree/Skrull war by Roy Thomas, Neal Adams, Sal Buscema, and John Buscema: The Avengers are caught in an intergalactic war between the Skrulls and the Kree Empire with planet Earth in the crossfire. This is one of the defining stories that pit the team against insurmountable odds with artwork by some of comicdom's best.

Avengers/Defenders War by Steve Englehart, John Buscema, and Bob Brown: Due to the machinations of Loki and the dread Dormammu, the Avengers and the Defenders find themselves battling each other in epic silver age style duels. If you ever wanted to see the inspirations for Thor Vs. Hulk in the big screen adaptation, this is it.

I hope this helps you find what you're looking for.
 

Hazy992

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MetalDooley said:
Hazy992 said:
Well seeing as you like X-Men you definitely have to check some of Chris Claremont's work. Stories like The Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past and God Loves, Man Kills are well regarded.

Definitely check out Old Man Logan as well for a really good, contained story.
Is Days of Future Past the story the upcoming movie is based on?Might check that out before seeing the movie so.

Thanks for the suggestions.I'll add them to my list
Yes, and X-Men 2 is loosely based on God Loves, Man Kills.

No problem :)
 

Shoggoth2588

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Since nobody else has said it yet, I strongly recommend Infinity Gauntlet. It's based more around The Avengers and random space-based characters who you may have previously overlooked or otherwise be unaware of. I haven't read this in a while but it will likely grant you a bit of insight when it comes to the modern Marvel Cinematic Universe since it looks like that's where things are trying to go.

I wish I could help with Spider-Man as I myself am still kinda unsure where to start...I think bits of the Clone Saga are considered good and I remember Maximum Carnage being held in high regard.
 

MetalDooley

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Shoggoth2588 said:
Since nobody else has said it yet, I strongly recommend Infinity Gauntlet. It's based more around The Avengers and random space-based characters who you may have previously overlooked or otherwise be unaware of. I haven't read this in a while but it will likely grant you a bit of insight when it comes to the modern Marvel Cinematic Universe since it looks like that's where things are trying to go.

I wish I could help with Spider-Man as I myself am still kinda unsure where to start...I think bits of the Clone Saga are considered good and I remember Maximum Carnage being held in high regard.
Infinity Gauntlet huh?I was watching a video recently that was talking about that(wish I could remember where though)so I might check that out especially if it ties into the recent movies

As for Maximum Carnage does that have anything to do with the old SNES game?I quite enjoyed that game as I recall

Thanks for the suggestions
 

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MetalDooley said:
As for Maximum Carnage does that have anything to do with the old SNES game?I quite enjoyed that game as I recall
It does, however it's not exactly good. It followed this really weird formula of a villain would show up, then at the end of the issue a new hero would show up to help, then at the end of the next issue a new villain would show up. It went on for a really long time like that.

It's off in it's own separate continuity, but Ultimate Spider-Man is probably your best bet for Spidey stories.
 

Redd the Sock

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I'll second the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos (the purple guy from The Avengers mid-credits bit) has gathered 6 powerful items that grant him godhood. More a cosmic story guest starring the avengers, but it's still one of the few things out of the time period that holds up, and it lays the template for where Marvel's cinematic universe is going.

Other stuff:

Secret Wars: An omnipotent cosmic being grabs a bunch of heroes and villains to fight it out for the prize of anything they desire. It's flawed, and a bit cheesy, but it's a good slugfest story with little requirement of external knowledge of the cast. Unlike the next item.

X-Men: age of Apocalypse: A time travel attempt to kill Magneto before he went evil went bad and kills Professor X instead turning things into the standard dystopian shithole. Large, and requiring some knowledge of X-men lore to get the finer details, it's still a great read that doesn't feel gratuitously dark.

Annihilation: The Annihilation wave is coming to destroy all, and every cosmic hero and warring empire has to unite to stop it. I'm sorry it doesn't have any of your listed heroes, but it's the one of the few things Marvel's published in the last decade I can look back on and still love.
 

ReverendJ

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Can't recommend the Age of Apocalypse enough, although be advised that it's an alternate universe. Some good character exploration by putting them in strange environs.

Also... no Clone Saga. Just... just no.

Marvels, by Alex Ross, has some great art and the perspective on the Marvel Universe from someone with no powers watching all the crazy bullshit over the decades. Good stuff.
 

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MetalDooley said:
Shoggoth2588 said:
Infinity Gauntlet huh?I was watching a video recently that was talking about that(wish I could remember where though)so I might check that out especially if it ties into the recent movies

As for Maximum Carnage does that have anything to do with the old SNES game?I quite enjoyed that game as I recall

Thanks for the suggestions
Funnily enough, Maximum Carnage does tie into the SNES/Genesis game! I haven't read Maximum Carnage but panels from it are used in "cutscenes" either between levels or at the beginning of the game (pre start-screen). While the game is more Final Fight it is based on the progression of the book.
 

Tanis

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Yay, no need for a new thread!

Question:
Does anyone know of any mini-series/one-shot that are in the style of 'Kingdom Come' or 'A Superman For All Seasons' or 'Lex Luther: Man of Steel'?
 

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MetalDooley said:
Ok I've always considered myself to be a Marvel fan.I've watched a lot of the cartoons over the years and still count the mid 90's Spider-man and X-Men cartoons among my favourite animated shows.I've seen pretty much every Marvel movie including the god awful straight to video/made for tv ones and I've played tons of videogames featuring Marvel characters

The thing is I've never really read Marvel comics though(was always more of a 2000AD guy if you couldn't guess from my avatar)and this is what I want to change.Problem is with decades of comics to choose from where exactly do I begin.So my question to ye is..

What are the classic Marvel superhero stories that I should read?

Two things
1 - I'm looking for stories that are easily available in collected graphic novel/trade paperback format
2 - My preferred heroes are Spider-man,X-Men,Iron Man,Thor and The Avengers as a collective but feel free to suggest other heroes/crossovers etc.

Any advice will be much appreciated
Hmmm, well one of the things about the truly "classic" storylines is that they have that status by being fairly deep in terms of knowing the universe and what's going on to begin with. Many people have suggested those that stand alone well on their own (Secret Wars, Infinity Gauntlet, etc...) though honestly to fully appreciate them I think it involves some investment in the characters and world to begin with. When it comes to the X-men stuff "Inferno", "X-men In Asgard", "X-tinction Agenda", "Zero Tolerance", and "X-cutioners Song" are all TPB collections that involved some very key moments of the X-men mythology and still have some influence today. Some of them like "X-tinction Agenda" and "X-cutioners Song" are awesome but jump off the deep end REALLY quick and you won't be able to figure out what's going on, especially in the while Stryfe/Cable thing unless you had some backing as well. "Contest Of Champions 2" is also an amusing, stand alone story (it might just be sold as "contest of champions" the 2 coming from it being similar to another, much inferior story, the whole thing is a plotline that's a thin justification for a bunch of heroes to basically fight each other penalty free for fun and to see who is strongest... Iron Man winds up being one of the big heroes of the story behind that one).

Truthfully if your looking to get fairly up to date with Marvel given all the changes my suggestion is simply to start with the "Civil War" the basic 7 issue series (which is collected) covers the basics, but there are literally dozens of other collections linked to it because it was a company-wide event. The whole Iron Man Vs. Captain America over supers registration bit formed the foundation for a LOT of changes afterwards. This event was from 2006-2007 so your looking at 6-7 years of development afterwards, but that's minor compared to say jumping in based on stuff written in the 80s and 90s. My overall opinion of the whole "Civil War" is mixed because years worth of subtle development and the whole "whose side are you on?" tag got derailed by writers wanting to make it an analogy for modern RW politics, as opposed to a story based firmly on The Marvel Universe and it's reality... so while still good, it's not as good as it could be since sometimes you'll notice a lot of characters suddenly acting REALLY out of character when they start projecting the politics of the writer into the storyline when they aren't exactly a good fit for the reality of Marvel.

A big thing after "Civil War" is of course "Secret Invasion" which is where things get entirely back on track for a super hero story and you start seeing how things got as bad as they did.

If you like The Avengers in particular, the fact that their members have all been fighting each other, leads to some years long drama before they get back together. Avengers "Disassembled" helps set the stage for "The Civil War" (and sort of shows that in the end you can probably blame The Scarlet Witch for the whole thing) and eventual reveals in "Secret Invasion", after The Civil War you have things like "The Intiative" which was a failed project to give each of the 50 states their own super hero team, which is still the explanation for why some current characters remain teamed together, then of course "Dark Avengers" which was the new "Federally Sponsored" Avengers in the spirit of the old "Freedom Force" run by Norman Osbourne (a senator) who was running around as "Iron Patriot" in a suit of Iron Man armor in Captain America colors, then of course you had "Secret Avengers", "The Mighty Avengers" (Hercules trying to get a team back together), and similar things up until they actually wind up getting a real Avengers team back together.

I'd also say that you might still be able to find various Marvel collections bundled on DVD rom which are cheaper than hunting down individual TPBs, Graphic Novels, and comics. Personally reading comics online even with a reader program tends to make my eyes bleed (figuratively... I have trouble with 3D in movie theaters too, but oddly my Kindle is usually fine if I zoom it enough), but it's a good solution for some. I'm not entirely sure of the legality of out of print comics and such or what's out there on E-reader services, so I won't post any links (not that I've checked recently), but at one time you could get torrents (scans) and such of out of print comics from people's personal collections so you could catch up on stuff. I'm guessing like Abandonware it's a gray area, but at the same time Marvel and DC have both undertaken efforts to put a lot of their stuff up on sale online, so it might currently be outright illegal (and immoral) to pursue them that way.
 

Aris Khandr

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I'll echo the suggestions for Infinity Gauntlet and the whole Age of Apocalypse storyline. AoA may be one of the best alternate reality stories I've ever seen. Ranks among my favorite comics to this day. Both are extremely good examples of how a crossover should work.

On the other hand, I'll say do NOT read Civil War. The number of absurdly out of character actions required to make that story work would put most fanfic writers to shame. The whole idea is stupid and poorly written, avoid it at all costs. If Infinity Gauntlet and Age of Apocalypse are examples of how a crossover should be, this is the poster child for how one should not be.

It won't help with your understanding of the Marvel universe at all, but I quite enjoyed the M2 imprint. A generally lighthearted, fun look at the potential future of the characters. Spider-Girl got a good run with several TPBs to her credit, though I was more interested in A-Next.
 

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As you are a 2000AD fan I'd suggest grabbing a copy of Deadpool kills the marvel universe.
I wouldn't call it a classic, its style is very different from other marvel comics but its really fun to read.

An you really need to get a copy of X-Men - Battle of the Atom.
It's really really fun to read. The past, present and future X Men all get together for a massive throw down. If that sounds like something you wanta read then go find a copy. If not, you are sad and I no longer wish to speak to you :D
 

katsabas

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Ooooooh boy...

The Amazing Spiderman: Stracynzski's run. Start from the coming home storyline.

Iron Man: The Invincible series, especially the extremis storyline.

X Men: The Astonishing series, Whedon's and Cassidy's run.

Thor: again, Stracynzski's run.

Avengers: Disassembled. Wicked storyline.

Cosmic: Anhihilation and The Infinity Gauntlet.