https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/12/28/loki-avengers-controlled-by-mind-stone-scepter/
I honestly thought it was just him being scared of Thanos. I suppose the sceptre influencing it's wielder isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Marvel Confirms Loki Was Being Influenced By Scepter in 'The Avengers'
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I honestly thought it was just him being scared of Thanos. I suppose the sceptre influencing it's wielder isn't out of the realm of possibility.
That's disappointing. "Reformed villain" plots are a lot less satisfying if the villain doesn't need to reform.
Eh, by the sounds of it the Sceptre was just making him, say, enjoy jamming a scanning device into that dude's eye a bit more than he normally would. The Sceptre's just bringing the worst of him forward as it does when everyone argues around it on the helicarrier. Basically its not really controlling Loki its just made him hangry
...Didn't we already know that? I could have sworn that it had been stated that the Scepter was influencing him shortly after the first Avengers movie.
...Just because the scepter was influencing him in Avengers doesn't mean he didn't need to reform. His actions in the first Thor movie alone were pretty damning.altnameJag said:
You know they just came up with that so Disney can sidestep the moral compromise of peddling a genocidal maniac as a hero.
What "other crimes"? Putting dad in a retirement community? The only villainous thing he ever did was try to murder everybody in Avengers. Everything else after that has been sideshow comedy.Agent_Z said:
That's to be expected honestly. In the first Avengers movie he was compared to Hitler, by a Holocaust survivor none-the-less. Kinda hard to sell him as a hero after that, especially to toy brands and moms.
Trying to genocide the frost giants. Staging an assassination attempt on Odin. Trying to kill Thor. Impersonating Odin. Really, this goes all the way back to when he helped a bunch of frost giants sneak into the weapons room just to mess with Thor's coronation.Johnny Novgorod said:
You know they just came up with that so Disney can sidestep the moral compromise of peddling a genocidal maniac as a hero.What "other crimes"? Putting dad in a retirement community? The only villainous thing he ever did was try to murder everybody in Avengers. Everything else after that has been sideshow comedy.Agent_Z said:
Not the CG monsters! Everything but the CG monsters!Agent_Z said:Trying to genocide the frost giants.Johnny Novgorod said:
You know they just came up with that so Disney can sidestep the moral compromise of peddling a genocidal maniac as a hero.What "other crimes"? Putting dad in a retirement community? The only villainous thing he ever did was try to murder everybody in Avengers. Everything else after that has been sideshow comedy.Agent_Z said:
Yeah, yeah, the Coyote wants to catch the Roadrunner and Team Rocket wants to steal Pikachu. Every cartoon meanie chases an impossible hankering. They show up, punch the clock and do their thing when the plot needs them. They're completely harmless.
Not jaywalking?
The only reprehensible thing Loki ever did - or tried doing - was pull a Hitler (as called out) on Manhattan. Everything else was that "safe" kind of evil that looks the part but carries no real moral weight to it. He's "evil" in a That's So Loki kind of way.
Well he?s dead now, so who cares?Johnny Novgorod said:Not the CG monsters! Everything but the CG monsters!Agent_Z said:Trying to genocide the frost giants.Johnny Novgorod said:
You know they just came up with that so Disney can sidestep the moral compromise of peddling a genocidal maniac as a hero.What "other crimes"? Putting dad in a retirement community? The only villainous thing he ever did was try to murder everybody in Avengers. Everything else after that has been sideshow comedy.Agent_Z said:
Yeah, yeah, the Coyote wants to catch the Roadrunner and Team Rocket wants to steal Pikachu. Every cartoon meanie chases an impossible hankering. They show up, punch the clock and do their thing when the plot needs them. They're completely harmless.
Not jaywalking?
The only reprehensible thing Loki ever did - or tried doing - was pull a Hitler (as called out) on Manhattan. Everything else was that "safe" kind of evil that looks the part but carries no real moral weight to it. He's "evil" in a That's So Loki kind of way.
He tried to "go Hitler" on the Frost Giants before he tried it on Earth. I don't know what world you live on where attempted murder on your sibling is just shrugged off as that's just him being him. Actually, calling it attempted murder isn't even accurate since he actually did kill Thor, albeit temporarily. And of course there's the town he trashed in orderto do it.Johnny Novgorod said:Not the CG monsters! Everything but the CG monsters!Agent_Z said:Trying to genocide the frost giants.Johnny Novgorod said:
You know they just came up with that so Disney can sidestep the moral compromise of peddling a genocidal maniac as a hero.What "other crimes"? Putting dad in a retirement community? The only villainous thing he ever did was try to murder everybody in Avengers. Everything else after that has been sideshow comedy.Agent_Z said:
Yeah, yeah, the Coyote wants to catch the Roadrunner and Team Rocket wants to steal Pikachu. Every cartoon meanie chases an impossible hankering. They show up, punch the clock and do their thing when the plot needs them. They're completely harmless.
Not jaywalking?
The only reprehensible thing Loki ever did - or tried doing - was pull a Hitler (as called out) on Manhattan. Everything else was that "safe" kind of evil that looks the part but carries no real moral weight to it. He's "evil" in a That's So Loki kind of way.
Same world that has enjoyed a lengthy tradition of cartoon-wants-to-kill-other-cartoon routine for decades. I am not impressed by Loki's repeated failure to catch his particular Roadrunner or have any meaningful, lasting impact in what's become a tiresome comedy routine of lite betrayal. You list his crimes like I'm supposed to be horrified when murder is a day in the office for a cartoon. Even if he succeeded (and he has, according to you, though I don't recall Thor dying at any point), it's back to the office on Monday anyway. Also - who gives a shit about the CG monsters? Fuck 'em. They're unredeemably evil and hive-minded as far as the movies are concerned anyway.Agent_Z said:
To quote Ebert's review:
"And what about that town? It seems to be partly a set with two interiors (the diner and Jane's office) and partly CGI. It seems to go for a few blocks and then end abruptly in barren desert. Not even any suburbs or strip malls. I know aliens from other worlds are required to arrive in New Mexico, but why stay there? Why can't the Metal Giant attack the Golden Gate Bridge or scale a Trump Tower somewhere? Who cares he if turns a 7-Eleven into a fireball?"
the Thor movies are not cartoons nor are Loki's crimes treated as harmless pranks by them. The devastation and death wrought by him is repeatedly shpwn amd referenced in not just his movies but others as well. Remember those dwarves that got killed in Infinity War by Thanos? The reason for that is because they relied on Asgard's protection. Protection that never came because of Loki. The town he destroyed to get to Thor gets brought up again in Avengers as the reason SHIELD was doing experiments with the Tesseract. There is nothing cartoonish or funny about Loki's crimes. I lime the Road Runner cartoons. Thor isn't like them. For starters, the Road Runner is funny.Johnny Novgorod said:
the Thor movies are not cartoons nor are Loki's crimes treated as harmless pranks by them. The devastation and death wrought by him is repeatedly shpwn amd referenced in not just his movies but others as well. Remember those dwarves that got killed in Infinity War by Thanos? The reason for that is because they relied on Asgard's protection. Protection that never came because of Loki. The town he destroyed to get to Thor gets brought up again in Avengers as the reason SHIELD was doing experiments with the Tesseract. There is nothing cartoonish or funny about Loki's crimes. I lime the Road Runner cartoons. Thor isn't like them. For starters, the Road Runner is funny.Johnny Novgorod said:
That's kind of dumb. Also, a very comic book thing to do.
Character x was really mind controlled. Scratch that, Loki was actuallly a Skrull all along. Or a Doombot!
Character x was really mind controlled. Scratch that, Loki was actuallly a Skrull all along. Or a Doombot!
Lame. A reformed(?) villain Loki was much more interesting character.
Yep. It's a "comic book thing", but not in a good way.Chimpzy said:
