Marvel's Civil War II... and Galactus' new way of life.

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

For those of you who don't know, Marvel is having yet another Civil War. Iron Man has found himself in the spotlight again, but this time his disagreement isn't with Steve Rogers aka Captain America, but Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel.

Spoiler: Quick run down with minor early spoilers

This whole event revolves around Ulysses, an Inhuman with the ability to see into the future. Using this ability the Inhuman, allied with many of Earth's Mightiest Heroes, manage to get the drop on an enemy before it fucks everything up. When our heroes learn of Ulysses' abilities, Captain Marvel want's to use him for the greater good and Tony disagrees because he isn't exactly sure how Ulysses' powers work. Whether he's actually seeing the future or seeing a possible future through profiling.

Despite it's name, I wouldn't exactly call it a Civil War. Much like the movie, it's more like a large scale dispute among heroes. The governments don't seem to be getting to involved and the rest of the world seems rather oblivious. There have been a few casualties so far, the ones I know of die because of shameless attempts by others to prevent Ulysses' horrific visions from coming true. One of the deaths, I understand. The other two piss me off. Despite the fact that it barely lives up to it's namesake, I like Civil War II more than Civil War.

Those of you who have read the issues that have come out, what do you think? And those of you who haven't read it and don't intend to, go ahead and read the spoiler and tell me what you think of it.

Spoiler: Spoilers for the first twoish issues of Ultimates

Right then, everyone knows Galactus, Devourer of Worlds. We know his schtick. Well the Ultimates decide to get rid of certain threats before they show up. Galactus is the first on their bucket list and they help the ugly little caterpillar metamorphise into a beautiful life bringing butterfly.

It's just the first two issues, but again, just in case. The basics is, a team called the Ultimates comprised of Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Miss America, Spectrum and Blue Marvel, decide to mess with Galactus. I'm actually sort of loving this, and the most recent reveal involving Eternity and Galactus' new mission.

For those who have read the issues, what do you think? For those who haven't and don't intend to, read the spoiler and give your honest opinion.

I'd also like to know which books you like and which ones you don't like, since the end of Marvel's Secret War event.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Issue 3 of Civil War 2 was actually good. Everything else is just...ugh.

 

[Saelune]

So, I stopped caring after all that Battleworld nonsense. Is that fixed?

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

Wait...so this whole thing is kicked off by someone who can see the future

Why haven't any of the dozens of other clairvoyant characters started a similar conflict before now

I have no idea. Then again, I don't really know of any clairvoyant heroes or villains. I've heard of the occasional vision for those that don't normally have them and the ability to see a few seconds into the future, but nothing like Ulysses.

So, I stopped caring after all that Battleworld nonsense. Is that fixed?

Yeah, that's done and over with. Most people don't even remember God Doom or Battleworld. They do remember that the world almost ended but aside from a few characters, like Maestro and Singularity, no one else remembers. So everything's back to normal... Well, Wolverine is still dead, Amadeus is still the Hulk, Odinson is still dead, and Sam still has the shield, so the status quo has yet to return, but yeah, no more Battleworld.

 

[Saelune]

Wait...so this whole thing is kicked off by someone who can see the future

Why haven't any of the dozens of other clairvoyant characters started a similar conflict before now

I have no idea. Then again, I don't really know of any clairvoyant heroes or villains. I've heard of the occasional vision for those that don't normally have them and the ability to see a few seconds into the future, but nothing like Ulysses.

So, I stopped caring after all that Battleworld nonsense. Is that fixed?

Yeah, that's done and over with. Most people don't even remember God Doom or Battleworld. They do remember that the world almost ended but aside from a few characters, like Maestro and Singularity, no one else remembers. So everything's back to normal... Well, Wolverine is still dead, Amadeus is still the Hulk, Odinson is still dead, and Sam still has the shield, so the status quo has yet to return, but yeah, no more Battleworld.

I really have not been keeping up with Modern Marvel much. Amadeus is Hulk now? Who HASNT he been? And *Thor is dead. I get the whole passing the thing and all that, but Thor is his given name. Not like Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond became Bruce Wayne.

I wish Battleworld being fixed would instill confidence back to me, but apparently not.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I really have not been keeping up with Modern Marvel much. Amadeus is Hulk now? Who HASNT he been? And *Thor is dead. I get the whole passing the thing and all that, but Thor is his given name. Not like Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond became Bruce Wayne.

I wish Battleworld being fixed would instill confidence back to me, but apparently not.

It's simpler to call him Odinson for clarity. And I'm okay with Thor giving his name to Jane Foster because I believe he'd actually do it. He will return eventually, though I don't know if he's taking his hammer back or using the Ultimate's hammer.

Amadeus actually makes for a good Hulk and, honestly, I don't want to see Banner turn into the green rage monster again. When Banner learned he was free of the Hulk he became almost suicidally happy. He injected himself with influenza, ran off a cliff, and went to Vegas. I'd hate to see a guy so happy go back to suffering for the sake of the status quo. Not like it matters now anyway.

 

[Saelune]

I really have not been keeping up with Modern Marvel much. Amadeus is Hulk now? Who HASNT he been? And *Thor is dead. I get the whole passing the thing and all that, but Thor is his given name. Not like Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond became Bruce Wayne.

I wish Battleworld being fixed would instill confidence back to me, but apparently not.

It's simpler to call him Odinson for clarity. And I'm okay with Thor giving his name to Jane Foster because I believe he'd actually do it. He will return eventually, though I don't know if he's taking his hammer back or using the Ultimate's hammer.

Amadeus actually makes for a good Hulk and, honestly, I don't want to see Banner turn into the green rage monster again. When Banner learned he was free of the Hulk he became almost suicidally happy. He injected himself with influenza, ran off a cliff, and went to Vegas. I'd hate to see a guy so happy go back to suffering for the sake of the status quo. Not like it matters now anyway.

I just dont like Amadeus, and having a ton of Hulks. Im fine with Banner being free of being The Hulk.

And I dont think its clearer, since atfirst I thought you mean Odin was dead, but then I remembered the stupid name change. Id rather just call them Thor and Jane Foster.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I just dont like Amadeus, and having a ton of Hulks. Im fine with Banner being free of being The Hulk.

As far as I know the only Hulks around are Amadeus and She-Hulk. I haven't seen any of the others.

And I dont think its clearer, since atfirst I thought you mean Odin was dead

I wish. Thor Odinson the Allfather. I could see it now.

but then I remembered the stupid name change. Id rather just call them Thor and Jane Foster.

I don't think it's that bad. Though I do think she'll need a new name once the OG returns. I want two Thors running around as much as I want three Spider-Men.

 

[Saelune]

I just dont like Amadeus, and having a ton of Hulks. Im fine with Banner being free of being The Hulk.

As far as I know the only Hulks around are Amadeus and She-Hulk. I haven't seen any of the others.

And I dont think its clearer, since atfirst I thought you mean Odin was dead

I wish. Thor Odinson the Allfather. I could see it now.

but then I remembered the stupid name change. Id rather just call them Thor and Jane Foster.

I don't think it's that bad. Though I do think she'll need a new name once the OG returns. I want two Thors running around as much as I want three Spider-Men.

So Red Hulk and A Bomb arent around? And I never thought of that, but thats what they should do. Kill Odin off, and just let Thor take his place, then let Jane do her hero thing.

I dont really care for tons of the same namers around, but I also dont like how easily some names are thrown around. Sam Wilson earned the Captain America name, but I dont think alot of the other name takers did.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

So Red Hulk and A Bomb arent around? And I never thought of that, but thats what they should do. Kill Odin off, and just let Thor take his place, then let Jane do her hero thing.

I dont really care for tons of the same namers around, but I also dont like how easily some names are thrown around. Sam Wilson earned the Captain America name, but I dont think alot of the other name takers did.

Rick Jones doesn't have his powers anymore, so no more A Bomb. I have no idea what's up with Red Hulk, but I haven't seen him at all.

Well, I'd say Miles did earn it when he was in the Ultimates line, that's what his first few issues were about iirc. Now he got bit by a spider and Peter said "I like your costume, so sure, call yourself Spider-Man". He did sort of single handedly defeat Blackheart, who just before that wiped the Avengers, but I'm gonna chock that up to writer induced stupidity. I have no idea how Kamala would earn Ms Marvel, but she has proven herself. Nova on the otherhand...

And yeah, I've been waiting very impatiently for Thor to take his father's place.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

So Red Hulk and A Bomb arent around? And I never thought of that, but thats what they should do. Kill Odin off, and just let Thor take his place, then let Jane do her hero thing.

I dont really care for tons of the same namers around, but I also dont like how easily some names are thrown around. Sam Wilson earned the Captain America name, but I dont think alot of the other name takers did.

Red Hulk is in prison, and is glad that Banner is dead A-bomb, no idea. Rick Jones is still about, but he isn't very interesting.

I personally don't see why Sam would even need to be Captain America. He is quite literally Falcon with some blue and a shield. Meh. And just like every other goddamn African-American superhero, all of his storylines have racial issues tacked on. Which is fine, but holy shit, not when everyone is doing it!

OT: I really think that Civil War II is garbage. Not only is the idea of someone who may or may not see the future so played out, that it would actually cause a rift between superheroes...

<spoiler= Mini rant on Civil War II>Maybe at the start, you could maybe believe that there is some kind of ideological conflict here. Most of Ulysses' predictions were coming true. But now that Tony Stark quite literally mathematically proved that Ulysses' predictions could be wrong, WHY THE FUCK IS THERE ANY MORE DEBATE. Obviously, it isn't safe to use him anymore! They're doing to Captain Marvel what the original Civil War did to Iron Man. She looks like a total asshole, just like everyone else on her team. And there is just an exhausting amount of tie-ins, it's such a bother to read them all, especially when most of them just interrupt whatever that series was doing and seem completely out of place.

 

[WolfThomas]

So Red Hulk and A Bomb arent around? And I never thought of that, but thats what they should do.

Bruce Banner/The Hulk went through this phase as "Doc Green". He was the Hulk permanently and super smart. He had a mohawk and a beard. It wasn't...great. But he went around and depowered Red-Hulk. Red She-Hulk. Skaar son of the Hulk (but set him up with the finances to travel the world and get valuable experience). A-Bomb/Rick Jones. Sent Lyra/Savage She-Hulk to another dimension (which she conquered and stayed behind). He depowered the Gamma Corps (a team of soldiers with Hulk based powers).

The only ones he didn't depower were She-Hulk who stopped him and Hulking (who is a Kree/Skrull Hybrid not Hulk related). Basically cleaned the slate for Hulks which was getting crowded.

It looks like Red-Hulk is going to come back though too.

Wait...so this whole thing is kicked off by someone who can see the future

Why haven't any of the dozens of other clairvoyant characters started a similar conflict before now

Well they're very frequent, very accurate and he can share them with others. He is also a member of a powerful political group the Inhumans and are backed by the Ultimates, Alpha Flight and Wakanda. So they have traction to act on his changes.

Marvel doesn't have many clairvoyants. Most are more vague in their visions. They're also often very secretive with their motives. Madame Webb only really cares about Spider-people stuff. Blindfold is an x-man and well not very useful. Cable and Nate Grey kept their visions to themselves the brief times they had them. Exodus and Destiny were x-men villains, so not keen to share. Mantis is off in space.

Well, I'd say Miles did earn it when he was in the Ultimates line, that's what his first few issues were about iirc. Now he got bit by a spider and Peter said "I like your costume, so sure, call yourself Spider-Man". He did sort of single handedly defeat Blackheart, who just before that wiped the Avengers, but I'm gonna chock that up to writer induced stupidity. I have no idea how Kamala would earn Ms Marvel, but she has proven herself. Nova on the otherhand...

And yeah, I've been waiting very impatiently for Thor to take his father's place.

I think Spiderman 616 remembers his trip to the Ultimate Universe where he learnt how Ultimate Spiderman died and Miles took up his legacy. And some of the secret Wars stuff. So he knows he earnt it.

Thankfully Carol Danvers after all these years became Captain Marvel, so Ms Marvel was unused anyway.

Nova is basically a title like Green Lantern. I like Richard Ryder he was great, but he wasn't the only Nova (except after Annihilation and even then he got new recruits at times).

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I think Spiderman 616 remembers his trip to the Ultimate Universe where he learnt how Ultimate Spiderman died and Miles took up his legacy. And some of the secret Wars stuff. So he knows he earnt it.

I dunno about that. It doesn't seem like Peter remembers at all, otherwise he wouldn't try to take his name back from Miles. It isn't until Miles takes down Blackheart solo, again "writer induced stupidity", that Peter changes his mind.

Nova is basically a title like Green Lantern. I like Richard Ryder he was great, but he wasn't the only Nova (except after Annihilation and even then he got new recruits at times).

You're absolutely right. I guess I'm just a little peeved because the recent issues of Nova are basically retreading old ground for no reason.

 

[WolfThomas]

I think Spiderman 616 remembers his trip to the Ultimate Universe where he learnt how Ultimate Spiderman died and Miles took up his legacy. And some of the secret Wars stuff. So he knows he earnt it.

I dunno about that. It doesn't seem like Peter remembers at all, otherwise he wouldn't try to take his name back from Miles. It isn't until Miles takes down Blackheart solo, again "writer induced stupidity", that Peter changes his mind.

You know I actually don't know what the current status is. It's all timey-wimey to borrow from Dr Who. When Miles appeared in the Regent stuff in Amazing Spider-man they seemed really close. But yeah I remember the issue you're talking about.

 

[Remus]

I've only seen the internet cliffnotes, but my understanding was that the reason why Galactus hungered was because he wasn't truly whole. He just fit into Marvel's ecosystem as a big thing that eats planets. Now that he no longer does that, and has his full power, he can KO the prime gods of the Marvelverse, knocking the teeth out of Order and Chaos when they wanted him to revert to his old self. He's also one of the few beings that knows about Battleworld, having talked at length about it with Molecule Man. I like the new change. He might actually be formidable should a threat like the Beyonders appear again.