Mass Effect - What do you think your team-mates alignment is?

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GeoPB

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Harking back to the days of KotOR, when your team members had their own alignment, it got me thinking - what are Shepherd's comrades alignments? What do you think they should be?
 

BlastedTheWorm

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Garrus - Renegade
Wrex - Renegade
Ashley - Renegade
Kaidan - Paragon
Liara - Paragon
Tali - Paragon

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Miranda - Renegade
Jacob - Paragon
Grunt - Renegade
Samara - Paragon
Jack - Renegade
Mordin - Neutral
Kasumi - Neutral
Zaeed - Renegade
Legion - Neutral
Thane - Neutra
Morinth - Renegade

(imo)
 

Ordinaryundone

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Garrus: Chaotic Good
Wrex: Neutral Evil/Chaotic Good (sorta depends on the situation)
Ashley: Neutral Good
Kaiden: Lawful Good
Tali: Chaotic Good
Liara: Lawful Good
Miranda: Lawful Neutral, shifting to Neutral Good
Jacob: Neutral Good
Grunt: Chaotic Neutral
Jack: Neutral Evil/Chaotic Neutral
Samara: Lawful Neutral
Mordin: True Neutral (though he does seem to regret his more...utilitarian choices)
Kasumi: Chaotic Good, with a smidge of Chaotic Neutral
Zaeed: Neutral Evil/True Neutral
Legion: True Neutral
Thane: Chaotic Good
Morinth: Chaotic Evil

Mass Effect actually has a pretty good spread when it comes to D&D alignments. The only one not really represented is Lawful Evil.
 

loc978

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Ordinaryundone said:
Garrus: Chaotic Good
Wrex: Neutral Evil/Chaotic Good (sorta depends on the situation)
Ashley: Neutral Good
Kaiden: Lawful Good
Tali: Chaotic Good
Liara: Lawful Good
Miranda: Lawful Neutral, shifting to Neutral Good
Jacob: Neutral Good
Grunt: Chaotic Neutral
Jack: Neutral Evil/Chaotic Neutral
Samara: Lawful Neutral
Mordin: True Neutral (though he does seem to regret his more...utilitarian choices)
Kasumi: Chaotic Good, with a smidge of Chaotic Neutral
Zaeed: Neutral Evil/True Neutral
Legion: True Neutral
Thane: Chaotic Good
Morinth: Chaotic Evil

Mass Effect actually has a pretty good spread when it comes to D&D alignments. The only one not really represented is Lawful Evil.
...agreed for the most part...
-but I'm not sure how you came to Chaotic Good for Thane... I'd call him the intended product of a very Lawful Neutral society...
-I'd say Liara went from Lawful to Chaotic between games...
-Wrex I see as Chaotic Neutral in the first game, Lawful Neutral in the second.
-I'd say Mordin's Neutral Good on the inside. He was True Neutral shortly before he met the PC, though.

...can't comment on Kasumi or Zaeed, though. I've never gotten DLC for anything but Fallout 3, and that only because I found 'em all on disc.
 

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BlastedTheWorm said:
Garrus - Renegade
Wrex - Renegade
Ashley - Renegade
Kaidan - Paragon
Liara - Paragon
Tali - Paragon

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Miranda - Renegade
Jacob - Paragon
Grunt - Renegade
Samara - Paragon
Jack - Renegade
Mordin - Neutral
Kasumi - Neutral
Zaeed - Renegade
Legion - Neutral
Thane - Neutra
Morinth - Renegade

(imo)
Agreed with almost all, though I reckon Mordin would be Paragon and Grunt Neutral.
 

Shock and Awe

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Mass Effect:
Ashley: About Half of Each
Garrus: About half of each
Wrex: Renegade
Liara: Paragon
Kaidan: Paragon
Tali: Paragon

Mass Effect 2:
Garrus: Renegade with some Paragon left
Tali: Paragon
Miranda: Half and Half
Jacob: Paragon
Grunt: Renegade
Samara: Paragon
Jack: Super Renegade
Mordin: Renegade
Kasumi: Half and Half
Zaeed: Renegade
Legion: Neutral
Thane: Paragon
Morinth: Renegade

Most characters are more complicated than just one or the other, but thats the best assessment I can give.

EDIT: As I looked at the D&D alignments people did I think those are much better to explain with, so here is the list again,


Mass Effect:
Ashley: Neutral Good
Garrus: Neutral Good
Wrex: Chaotic Neutral
Liara: Lawful Good
Kaidan: Lawful Good
Tali: Lawful Good

Mass Effect 2:
Garrus: Chaotic Good
Tali: Neutral Good
Miranda: Lawful Neutral
Jacob: Neutral Good
Grunt: Chaotic Neutral
Samara: Lawful Good
Jack: Chaotic Neutral
Mordin: Chaotic Good
Kasumi: True Neutral
Zaeed: Chaotic Neutral
Legion: True Neutral
Thane: Neutral Good
Morinth: Chaotic Evil
 

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IBlackKiteI said:
Agreed with almost all, though I reckon Mordin would be Paragon and Grunt Neutral.
Nah, Mordin says that you should kill just about anyone who could possibly be a threat.
 

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Shock and Awe said:
IBlackKiteI said:
Agreed with almost all, though I reckon Mordin would be Paragon and Grunt Neutral.
Nah, Mordin says that you should kill just about anyone who could possibly be a threat.
You're both kind of right, I think. Mordin seems to have the selfless motives of a Paragon, but on the other hand, he can be a cold executioner if he thinks it serves the greater good. I picture him as a utilitarian, "greatest good for the greatest number" type.

On the topic of Thane, he sees himself as dual-natured, with an amoral body and a moral soul. (Apparently the soul hibernates while he's on the job.) I'd agree that Lawful Neutral's probably the closest approximation.
 

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Let's assume they can be a little of both, like Shepard Him/herself
I'd rank:
Liara-Near Full Paragon
Kaiden-Mostly Paragon
Tali-Paragon Neutral
Ashley-Neutral
Garrus-Renegade Neutral
Wrex-Mostly Renegade

Jacob- Mostly Paragon
Samara-Paragon Neutral
Thane- Paragon Neutral
Kasumi- Paragon Neutral
Miranda- Neutral
Tali- Neutral
Legion- Neutral
Mordin- Renegade Neutral
Garrus- Still Renegade Neutral
Zaeed- Mostly Renegade
Grunt- Mostly Renegade
Jack- Near Full Renegade
Morinth- Near Full Renegade

Their stances can change, but I'd say that's what they start at.
 

Shock and Awe

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waxwingslain said:
On the topic of Thane, he sees himself as dual-natured, with an amoral body and a moral soul. (Apparently the soul hibernates while he's on the job.) I'd agree that Lawful Neutral's probably the closest approximation.
I would ahve to disagree on Thane, most of his assassinations are for good reasons, at best he is Neutral Good, at worst Chaotic Good.
 

Internet Kraken

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Garrus- Renegade (Neutral in first)
Wrex- Renegade (Could be debated as Paragon in second)
Liara- Paragon (Could be debated as Neutral or Renegade in second)
Ashley- Neutral
Kaiden- Paragon (Maybe, not really sure)
Tali- Renegade (Paragon in first)
Mordin- Neutral (To big a mix of Paragon and Renegade)
Grunt- Renegade
Jack- Renegade
Samara- Renegade
Thane- Renegade
Legion- Neutral
Miranda- Renegade
Jacob- Paragon
Kasumi- Neutral
Zaeed- Renegade

Though honestly, the Paragon/Renegade system is way to vague so trying to classify these characters as either of them is difficult in most cases. Generally I'm judging them based on one defining characteristic for this.

waxwingslain said:
Shock and Awe said:
IBlackKiteI said:
Agreed with almost all, though I reckon Mordin would be Paragon and Grunt Neutral.
Nah, Mordin says that you should kill just about anyone who could possibly be a threat.
You're both kind of right, I think. Mordin seems to have the selfless motives of a Paragon, but on the other hand, he can be a cold executioner if he thinks it serves the greater good. I picture him as a utilitarian, "greatest good for the greatest number" type.
Mordin is probably the hardest one to pin down since all of his defining characteristics lean him towards both Paragon and Renegade in equal amounts.

Shock and Awe said:
I would ahve to disagree on Thane, most of his assassinations are for good reasons, at best he is Neutral Good, at worst Chaotic Good.
Thane is chaotic good, if we're going to use this alignment scale. His methods are to brutal to be considered anything other than chaotic, in my opinion.
 

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loc978 said:
...agreed for the most part...
-but I'm not sure how you came to Chaotic Good for Thane... I'd call him the intended product of a very Lawful Neutral society...
-I'd say Liara went from Lawful to Chaotic between games...
-Wrex I see as Chaotic Neutral in the first game, Lawful Neutral in the second.
-I'd say Mordin's Neutral Good on the inside. He was True Neutral shortly before he met the PC, though.

...can't comment on Kasumi or Zaeed, though. I've never gotten DLC for anything but Fallout 3, and that only because I found 'em all on disc.
I agree about Liara, my comments were really from within her time as a party member. But as of ME2? Definitely Chaotic Good, maybe even borderline Chaotic Neutral (not sure if Lair of the Shadow Broker makes that clearer).

Wrex I never saw as Neutral anything. When you first meet him, he's a serious "I don't give a crap" mercenary type, who is all too happy to regale Shepard with his stories of battle and conquest (and thoroughly relishing in them). If anything, I'd say ME1 Wrex might actually be the closest we have to Lawful Evil. I designated him Chaotic based on his personality, but his actions almost cast him in a different light (like shooting Fist on principle even though it didn't matter anymore). ME 2 Wrex has begun a slide to a more Neutral temperament, but the guy's regime on Tuchanka is completely overthrowing a millennia of tradition for the Krogan. He's a very soft Chaotic Neutral, possibly.

Mordin is Neutral Good...in hindsight. He's the type who would do whatever he wanted initially, and only really give any moral implications thought after the fact. In the present, he has no problem making the most utilitarian choice. This can been seen by his hastiness (a trait all Salarians seem to share). He doesn't think about what he is doing, he just chooses the most "logical" choice in any given situation and only considers his actions afterwards. Take his loyalty mission. The paragon ending for it requires Shepard to intervene and mostly go against Mordin's instincts on nearly every choice.
 

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I was going to make my own thread on this, but it wouldn't have been "Search Bar Approved!"

In terms of D&D Alignment tables- from their initial recruitment and any possible shifts after loyalty missions:

Miranda: Lawful/Neutral Evil -> True Neutral- Miranda is obsessed with humanity's advancement, but knows her place in the Cerberus hierarchy, but loyalty Shepard supersedes Cerberus after resuing Oriana- exemplified when Miranda defies the illusive Man to his face when he orders her to keep Shepard from destroying the Collector base. She is superficial, vain and never altruistic; she only gets to Neutral status after her loyalty is gained.

Jacob: Chaotic Good- He has a good heart, but has no use for the Alliance and Council's bereaucracy to get the job done. He hs a very stable personality, which doesn't change no matter how he resolves the issue with his father.

Garrus: Chaotic Good -> Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral. Space Vigilante who renounced C-Sec to form a band of mercenaries to fight organized crime on Omega- skirting the law to help other people. Chaotic good right there. I think if Garrus kills Sidonis then he loses his goodness, and is replaced with a preferability to use vengeance to solve problems.

Jack: Chaotic Neutral- Jack is an enemy towards galactic authority , but it is simply her way of trying to find an answer for all the pain she's been through in her life. She kills people out of a sense of fear for her own survival. However, if a male Shepard shows gentleness towards her, she melts in his arms, and shows that she is not hard to the bone. She just has a very, very hard shell. Still, it doesn't make her altrusitic, and besides, the D&D word for describing Chaotic Neutral is "unpredicible", and that definitely fits for Jack.

Grunt: Chaotic Evil- Emblematic of all Krogan: The strong have a right to rule, and the weak exist to die or be exploited.

Samara: Lawful Good- The closest member of the team to the Paladin of D&D, Samara is compelled by a strict code of ethics and honor. Even if Samara is overly harsh to evildoes, her willingness to sacrifice herself to save innocents and to dedicate herself to the "White" in her black-and-white worldview makes her alignment one of the easiest to discern.

Tali: Lawful Good- Tali always puts the good of others and the fleet before her own desires in every event, no matter how her treason trial turns out. Tali is militaristic towards the Geth, but she believes it to be a righteous crusade to reclaim the Quarian homeworld from occupying invaders, and her vehement disagreement with Admiral Xen's plans for making the Geth slaves again is telling in her stance on a coming Quarian-Geth war.

Legion: N/A- Legion has no specific personality, since it is made up of over 1,000 different processors making decisions. With that amount of variables in determining Legion's "personality", I can't give Legion a single overall alignment. Although Legion's buying of the expensive Super Platinum Eden Prime game for Alliance charity might make Legion 1% "for sure" good.

Zaeed: Chaotic Evil- A black-hearted mercenary who is obsessed with vengeance on his former partner, he sets a refinery on fire to flush his target out and was happy to allow the workers there to die in the flames. A Chaotic Evil bastard if there ever was one.

Kasumi: Neutral Evil -> Neutral Evil or Neutral Good- A thief who steals treasures simply for her own profit is one of the hallmarks of a Neutral Evil character in the D&D setting. And that's Kasumi Goto, ladies and gentlemen. Depending on how she deals with Keiji's Greybox, however, she can either stay her self-centered self, concerned with her own happiness primarily (if she keeps the Greybox), or one that understands that the needs of the Alliance go before her own desires (if she destroys the Greybox), and therefore would qualify under Good principles.

Mordin: Lawful Neutral/Good- A doctor who worked for the Salarian government to help keep the Krogan sterilized, Mordin keeps trying to justify his actions, but he has a palpable sense of guilt underneath his demeanor. But he still takes no action about the Genophage in Mass Effect 2. His reaction to Malon's horrible experiments, and not about the Genophage research conducted, only further accentuated his good heart, but he can be ambiguous enough to still be considered neutral by some people.

Thane: Neutral Good- Thane is someone with an interesting moral hypocrisy: he detaches his emotions whenever he kills someone, keeping his conscience free from any guilt that may arise from the murde he commits. He is deeply religious and obsesses over righting the wrongs of his past by mending fences with his son. What makes Thane Good instead of Neutral is is acceptance of the Suicide Mission simply to help the human colonists, and his desire to make the galaxy a better place before he dies.

Morinth: Chaotic Evil- A true femme fatale who murders people just to get high. She doesn't have an addict's remorse about it either; she revels in the killing and exstasy. For 400 years she was a terror in Asari space, enslaving Asari villages and pursuing anything that might give her pleasure in addition to her sex death traps.