Maui Wildfires
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The thing that bothers me about the coverage, and I know they can't be to blatant but...there are not 1,300 people missing. They're not going to turn up, they didn't wander off and get lost in the woods. The Governor of Hawaii was on MSNBC last night talking about how the fire was moving with 60 msph wind, so a mile a minute, and got to almost 1000 degrees. Those missing people are dead, and they're ash, if that.
And I know they can't say that without finding some evidence, but acting as if there is a chance these people will show up...its not right. Be honest.
Also what a horrific tragedy and loss of life.
And I know they can't say that without finding some evidence, but acting as if there is a chance these people will show up...its not right. Be honest.
Also what a horrific tragedy and loss of life.
Well, it's the same thing as the 9/11 "missing". Authorities can't legally come out with it, too much potential civil liability.
Global warmin' ain't real, y'all. Pretty interesting how, after a year or two of "low" carbon emissions due to global Covid lockdowns, we get back to "normal" and the climate immediately goes haywire. Clearly the answer is more convict labor to fight mass wildfires.
The really sinister and terrifying thing is, that, our atmospheric response to carbon output is delayed by a decade, so this particular heat wave is from what we were putting out in 2013, and it's only increased since then.
So every day, week, month, and year, from now on, is the best it's ever going to be, and it's all downhill from here.
Happy drinking.
There's a high likelihood that a substantial number of those 1300 are people who haven't contacted the authorities yet to let the authorities know they made it out.
Republicans be like, "ain't nothin' wrong", while driving their Hummer up to a burning stand of ancient, endangered trees, and lighting their cigar out the window before cutting a donut and peeling out while furiously masturbating to cuck porn.
Democrats be like, "
MORE WOMEN COAL EXECUTIVES " while driving their Tesla up to a burning stand of ancient, endangered trees, and lighting an incense stick out the window before dabbing some VapoRub on their eyes to make it look like they've been crying.Hey, at least the metric shitload of jet fuel the Navy spilled is dilute enough by now the water won't be flammable, too. Silver linings!
You think a substantial number? After all these days, literally thousands of journalists on the island looking for any story, and not one noticed all those missing people just over there, just out of frame, just chilling?
How would they know just by looking at someone if they are one of the people in the 1,300 missing number? I daresay Ag3ma is right, that a lot of them will be found to be alive.
However, that's not to say there aren't masses of missing people who are dead and maybe whose bodies won't ever be identified, yes.
Imagine a town of 5,000 people. The authorities notionally know where they all live, but not whether they are actually there or not at any one time. A disaster strikes and destroys the town. How do the authorities know who was in the town and who was not when it was destroyed? To a large extent, they can only know who was spared when those people tell the authorities that they're not dead.
Some people may not be able to tell the authorities, some may not realise they should, some possibly don't want to or can't be bothered, and some may even have gone away and not be aware their town was destroyed and that they'd be advised to let the authorities know they're okay.
In fact, you don't even need hypotheticals. A year after 9/11 they were still turning up the odd person who had been listed as missing. Similarly, they likely will never identify everyone who died in the 9/11 attacks either.
I'm glad you brought up 9/11 as a good example. How many missing during that attack? About 500 in the days after.
In the fullness of time, how many turned up alive?
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That's what's going to be happening here in Maui. People will still be listed as "missing" decades later until their remains can be properly identified.
Yeah, but they were two large buildings in a city that still had functioning power and communication networks, so it was much quicker and easier for people to make contact. Just give it time.
Oh I am. And believe me, I want to be wrong. I want every single person found, alive and safe, eating a nice steak dinner having just adopted a puppy.
I just don't think that's likely. This fire moved too quickly and burned too hot. I think in the end the majority of the missing are gone, and it'll be months if not years before their remains are properly identified.
And of course there’s dodgy people who, allowing no good crisis to go to waste, might use the opportunity to engage in a little identity remaking.
I doubt very much it’s common. And even among those who attempt it, in the days of biometric records and global data cross referencing it’s becoming harder and harder to pull off.
If you’re asking though if I think any of the people missing from these wildfires have done that, I could not, and would not, presume to know.