ME3: How to Preserve Tali's Mystique When the Mask is Off

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Freechoice

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Kill her.

Shock value, yes, but let me explain.

You know how some people say, "it's not the destination, it's the journey"? Well it's basically the reverse of that. If people see Tali's face during some dramatic moment that has no finality, then it was just a superficial reveal. All the intrigue that gets built up inevitably has to be discharged in one big, orgasmic reveal that leaves the player both satisfied and full in the knowledge that nothing that special is going to happen again. It's like Chekhov's gun, but there's only one round and you absolutely have to hit the fucking target. If you show her face arbitrarily, it was all for nothing. Right at the end is far too cliched and touchy-feely when ME is supposed to be this big, dramatic space opera where Earth already got fucked.



Imagine it: Pitched battle on the Quarian homeworld against a vicious reaper adversary that is attempting to subvert the geth to its side. Health bar goes from 1% to 0 and the post-boss cutscene ensues. Clearly, Shepard and company have prevailed, but what's this? The reaper lives! In a fit of mechanized anguish, it lashes out with its talons, smashing stone and scraping metal as its last bits of fury burn out. Shepard and Legion open fire, silencing the massive creature once and for all. But as the last of the raucous tremors die down, they hear a scream from one of the terminals a floor above. Shepard makes for the ladder and Legion scales the wall directly. When Shepard finally ascends, s/he sees something heartbreaking. Tali is on the floor, pinned beneath the spindly appendage of the reaper.

As Shepard runs toward her, s/he sees how bad it really is. Legion's tending to her, but the massive spike in her stomach and the blue stains beneath her make it clear she's got minutes at best. With pained gasps, she tells Legion that she was able to beat the reaper; the Geth will not be indoctrinated by the reapers. In mere seconds, Legion declares a unilateral consensus being reached: when the war is concluded, the Geth will send an envoy to the flotilla offering the planet back to the Quarians.

Shepard approaches, kneeling before the dying Quarian. Tali reaches out to Shepard with one hand, her other struggling to break the lock on her faceplate, finally succeeding as she hears the snap of the contacts and the hiss of the suit depressurizing. She grips the mask and tosses it away.

Face is absolutely stunning and the vocal filter is gone. In the throes of death, she says she's glad to have died on her homeworld, but in clear emotional agony says she will miss Shepard. And before she parts, Tali asks Shepard what s/he thinks of her face beneath the mask.

"You're beautiful, Tali."

She smiles, little blood trail comes from the edge of her mouth, Keelah se'lai and she's dead.

To make certain no one can stick around and look at the real time textures, the cutscene advances forward.

Big fuckin' tragic moment. Finality's where it needs to be. Discuss. I'm going to bed.
 

ChupathingyX

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Honestly, I would love it most if it turns out that quarians actually end up resembling a cross between a naked mole rat and Spyro in Skylanders.

The ensuring shitstorm would be hilarious!

Personally, I don't care whether or not her face (or quarian faces in general) is shown.
 

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ravenshrike said:
ChupathingyX said:
Honestly, I would love it most if it turns out that quarians actually end up resembling a cross between a naked mole rat and Spyro in [Skylanders.

The ensuring shitstorm would be hilarious!

Personally, I don't care whether or not her face (or quarian faces in general) is shown.
Doesn't make sense as maleshep isn't in the psych ward at the start of 3.
Maybe he just has a sort of fetish for what I described and it didn't put him off the first time.

The player on the other hand....
 

Adam Jensen_v1legacy

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How about this - don't take her fuckin' mask off. Mystique preserved and no whining from Talifans, because regardless of what her face looks like, Talifans will be disappointed.
 

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Or better yet, have all that happen without her mask coming off, and make it absolutely compulsory that she dies...it'd be worth the hate Bioware would get just to see the Tali Defence Force absolutely lose it. I think the OP is a pretty good idea, but it might seem a bit Deux Ex Machina, considering you've just spent several minutes killing the enemy.
 

Zhukov

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I'm still hoping she ends up looking like a cross between a xenomorph and a house fly.

If the character is as good as people claim, then it shouldn't matter.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
How about this - don't take her fuckin' mask off. Mystique preserved and no whining from Talifans, because regardless of what her face looks like, Talifans will be disappointed.
Pretty much my thoughts. I romanced Tali in the second game, and I'm at most mildly curious to see what she looks like. But I know that the second I do, that character will never be quite as interesting.
So keep the mask on.
Also, it seems a little bit against Mass Effects grain to make it so there is no way to save a specific party member.
You could choose between Williams and Alenko, and you could talk Wrex to his senses. Saying that Tali is 100% going to die, just smacks that whole appeal straight in the face.
 

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How can you dispel and preserve a mystique... you can't.
Yes we all wonder but that is exactly what makes it so engaging, thus the mystique is always grander then the truth, even if she is made of pure light, cures cancer and self esteem issues of all the fanboys who gaze upon her it is still lesser then the mystique alone.

If you show her face you just threw away a huge element of your character, it would take a real fucking imbecile of a designer to go and do that.
 

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Tali's face IS the mask, at least to me. It's like....we know exactly what Bruce Wayne looks like, but if someone tells you to think of Batman you immediately think of the cowl. Same thing with Tali, and all the other Quarians.

And the Volus! Why does no one care what they look like? I mean, we can get a general idea by just looking at the Quarians of their general body shape and such, but we know next to nothing about the Volus.
 

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Mr.K. said:
How can you dispel and preserve a mystique... you can't.
Yes we all wonder but that is exactly what makes it so engaging, thus the mystique is always grander then the truth, even if she is made of pure light, cures cancer and self esteem issues of all the fanboys who gaze upon her it is still lesser then the mystique alone.

If you show her face you just threw away a huge element of your character, it would take a real fucking imbecile of a designer to go and do that.
Whatever happens, it seems that Bioware are damned if they do and they are damned if they don't. Seems to be the running theme of Mass Effect 3, they are just never going to make everyone happy with this final installment.
 

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I don't think you quite understand what chekhovs gun is. Chekhovs gun is when a detail from earlier in the story that at the time was so insignificant that it was barely noticable turns out to be extremely important later in the story.
 

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I think she shouldn't lose the mask. At all, as previously stated in many of the above comments. It adds mystique.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
How about this - don't take her fuckin' mask off. Mystique preserved and no whining from Talifans, because regardless of what her face looks like, Talifans will be disappointed.
For a second I thought you were talking about Republic Commando haters. Talifans was the term used to describe detractors of Karen Traviss' novels, while her defenders were Fandalorians.

How about we just don't show the damn face and let those creepy Tali fuckers continue to jerk off to their sweat fetishes. If you romanced her, that's fine, but for fucks sake, making a scientific graph to try and explain how Quarian sweat is a sex drug is beyond creepy.
 

Freechoice

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Adam Jensen said:
How about this - don't take her fuckin' mask off. Mystique preserved and no whining from Talifans, because regardless of what her face looks like, Talifans will be disappointed.
Kahunaburger said:
I think they should do whatever makes the Talimancers the most unhappy.
Exactly why killing her in dignified fashion is such a nice compromise. Talifans get to see her face as more than a token gesture and everyone else gets to see them grimace and scream like bitches when the fangirl personification gets impaled.

Shocksplicer said:
I don't think you quite understand what chekhovs gun is. Chekhovs gun is when a detail from earlier in the story that at the time was so insignificant that it was barely noticable turns out to be extremely important later in the story.
Her face is irrelevant. But it's like seeing the gun in chapter one and then having it mentioned in chapter two. Ultimately, her face does not change the plot. It's just a fuckin' detail the fanbase made important.

Straight definition from wiki:

"Chekhov's gun is a literary technique whereby an apparently irrelevant element is introduced early in the story whose significance becomes clear later in the narrative."

Face=irrelevant
Significance given by fans

Her serving as an emotional plotpoint in a narrative that is supposed to be about loss and sacrifice would be the best thing she could be used for.
 

William Ossiss

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"The hype will always be better than the pay off"

That's the rule I'm sticking with, at least. I will accept any face I am given.
It isn't a story I'M writing, after all.