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morpho

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i want to save both the quarians and the geth and i am aware of 5 peace points needed to do so.
problem is i dont remember how i resolved the "fight" between tali and legion in me2. i know i have 4 peace points, but uncertain about the fifth... can i check this somewere? someone talked about a savegame editor. would it show up there?
thanks...
 

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When Legion & Tali argued in ME2 I used a paragon option to make them both happy. So I guess you need enough paragon or renegade points to have that option when the moment arrises.

Funny even if I did make them befriend(kind) each other, legion died in the final mission and I couldn't make peace in Me3.
 

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morpho said:
i want to save both the quarians and the geth and i am aware of 5 peace points needed to do so.
problem is i dont remember how i resolved the "fight" between tali and legion in me2. i know i have 4 peace points, but uncertain about the fifth... can i check this somewere? someone talked about a savegame editor. would it show up there?
thanks...
Can't say for certain since I play it on a console, but I'm pretty certain you should be able to save them both as long as you play for peace in ME 3. I'd imagine when given the chance to save an admiral or save his crew (as he's asking you to do) you should save the admiral, that's a big part of it. But basically just paragon your way through the questline and you should be fine. At the end of it, Legion will want to upload something and Tali will beg him not to. Let him upload it. Tali will beg some more, then you should be given a choice for siding with the Quarians, siding with the Geth, or performing a Paragon/Renegade persuasion which saves both fleets.

For instance, my Full Renegade Shepard (where I just blindly picked the bottom-right response for every conversation through all 3 games) told the Quarians to go to war at the end of Tali's loyalty mission in ME 2, but he still had the chance to unite the two races in ME 3.
 

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morpho said:
i want to save both the quarians and the geth and i am aware of 5 peace points needed to do so.
problem is i dont remember how i resolved the "fight" between tali and legion in me2. i know i have 4 peace points, but uncertain about the fifth... can i check this somewere? someone talked about a savegame editor. would it show up there?
thanks...
well did you re write the geth or destroy them? and did tali get exonerated?

cause if you arent sure about the other one, you'll definitely need these other 2 to assure peace.
 

morpho

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cheers...
guess i just have to do the mission and find out. i did save the admiral, destroyed the geth squadron and managed to save tali from exile in me2... but not sure if i have enough peace points which i believe is more important than paragon/renegade points for this
 

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Do you still have the ME2 save file? The ME3 save editors still kinda clunky to use. If you have the save files from ME2 still, you can use the ME2 save editor to check whether they're both loyal or not.

ME2 save editor [http://social.bioware.com/project/4373/#files]

Plot tab, henchman tab, then the flags tab. There'll be a list of options with check boxes. Look for Tali and Legion and check to see whether or not their "is Loyal" and "was Loyal" boxes are ticked. If they are, then you resolved the argument successfully, or convinced the one you didn't side with to remain loyal.
 

morpho

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good one... i'll try that later and we will see. so the editors for me3 is bad? does that mean i wont be able to change the outcome anyway? cant be bothered to change the me2 save and play me3 from scratch again.
 

culpeo

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If I'm not mistaken, if either of them hadn't been loyal at the end of ME2, they would have died during the suicide mission. If they're both still around in ME3, you must have resolved their argument successfully.

Also, I don't think re-writing vs. destroying rogue geth during Legion's loyalty mission has any direct bearing on the ability to achieve peace between the Quarians and Geth in ME3. I believe that that particular choice only helps determine how strong they will be as allies against the Reapers.
 

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culpeo said:
If I'm not mistaken, if either of them hadn't been loyal at the end of ME2, they would have died during the suicide mission. If they're both still around in ME3, you must have resolved their argument successfully.

Also, I don't think re-writing vs. destroying rogue geth during Legion's loyalty mission has any direct bearing on the ability to achieve peace between the Quarians and Geth in ME3. I believe that that particular choice only helps determine how strong they will be as allies against the Reapers.
Nope, it's still possible. I had Tali loyal but not Legion at the end of my ME2 playthrough due to not having enough Renegade points to settle the argument or convince Legion(I also had Miranda non-loyal for the same reason), and had everyone alive at the end. As long as you don't screw up the specific choices, as long as you bring two loyal weak squad members along with you to fight the human Reaper, you can have a few non-loyal squadmates.
 

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According to IGN these are the requirements to save both: (http://www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Priority%3A_Rannoch)

If you meet the following (mainly Paragon Mass Effect 2) conditions, AND have four bars of Reputation, then you can choose the Paragon (blue) option in the dialogue and resolve the Geth/Quarian conflict peacefully.

Have both Tali and Legion alive from an imported Mass Effect 2 save.
Prevented Tali?s Exile in Mass Effect 2
Resolved the Tali/Legion conflict in Mass Effect 2
Completed Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons
Completed Rannoch: Admiral Koris, and saved Admiral Koris
First side with Tali. When Legion pleads with you to reconsider, you will have both a Paragon and Renegade option. Picking Paragon will restore peace between the two sides.
You can also side with Legion first and tell him to upload the code. When Tali says that the quarian will be wiped out, the same Paragon and Renegade options will appear. Pick Paragon for peace.

I fulfilled all those except for Tali's exile and I couldn't save both, which REALLY bummed me out. Seriously I saw both outcomes and was in a deep funk after seeing both. I was playing as a Paragon so I thought that saving the Quarians would be the more "right" thing to do. When I get there as a Renegade I'll save the Geth,
which is a real cock slap because you end up losing Legion anyways.
 

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culpeo said:
If I'm not mistaken, if either of them hadn't been loyal at the end of ME2, they would have died during the suicide mission.
No, not necessarily. If I remember correctly, you can still get out of the suicide mission with no casualties if you plan your actions carefully, even if one or two are no longer loyal.
 

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SpaceBat said:
culpeo said:
If I'm not mistaken, if either of them hadn't been loyal at the end of ME2, they would have died during the suicide mission.
No, not necessarily. If I remember correctly, you can still get out of the suicide mission with no casualties if you plan your actions carefully, even if one or two are no longer loyal.
Very true. Loyalty doesn't really mean anything, it's more about strategy. When I did paragon Miranda was not loyal but she survived (although she didn't when I took her with me for the final fight) and when I did Renegade Grunt WAS loyal but he ended up dying when I set him as the head of the diversion team. Excuse ME for thinking that a pureblood Krogan was capable of leading a squad into a fight!
 

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wintercoat said:
Nope, it's still possible. I had Tali loyal but not Legion at the end of my ME2 playthrough due to not having enough Renegade points to settle the argument or convince Legion(I also had Miranda non-loyal for the same reason), and had everyone alive at the end. As long as you don't screw up the specific choices, as long as you bring two loyal weak squad members along with you to fight the human Reaper, you can have a few non-loyal squadmates.
SpaceBat said:
No, not necessarily. If I remember correctly, you can still get out of the suicide mission with no casualties if you plan your actions carefully, even if one or two are no longer loyal.
Huh.

I guess I thought the game would kill disloyal squadmates ahead of weak, loyal ones, even if you left them behind to defend the door.

yourbeliefs said:
First side with Tali. When Legion pleads with you to reconsider, you will have both a Paragon and Renegade option. Picking Paragon will restore peace between the two sides.
You can also side with Legion first and tell him to upload the code. When Tali says that the quarian will be wiped out, the same Paragon and Renegade options will appear. Pick Paragon for peace.
Is this the choice that results in Shepard pleading with Gerrel to retreat? Because I think I chose the renegade option and still got peace.
 

morpho

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well i must have done something right in me2 cuz i played the mission now and got peace... the paragon option became available after Legion started uploading... sad anyway though


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WTF?!? so close but no face?!? damn