Microsoft to release tool to make griefing easier!
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The fail safes they have in place sound logical and the system could work, I don't see the problem you guys have with this*; I've personally thought this should have been done for years.
The system does really need to be moderated though, the big problem I see isn't from organised bands of trolls but rather the many players who will lash out when you kick their asses.
[small]* Microsoft have done a lot of stupid stuff and deserve a lot of the flak they get but blindly hating on everything they say regardless of what it is isn't good.[/small]
The system does really need to be moderated though, the big problem I see isn't from organised bands of trolls but rather the many players who will lash out when you kick their asses.
[small]* Microsoft have done a lot of stupid stuff and deserve a lot of the flak they get but blindly hating on everything they say regardless of what it is isn't good.[/small]
The issue is the same one that has plagued all systems like this, when you get a bunch of trolls from a single clan, playing against someone, whether it's because they got their arses kicked, or whether they just want to troll, they all mute/block someone, then they are down 100 points of rep because they got their entire clan to grief someone, then they do it to everyone and so everyone they play against, now is stuck in the "trolls" section and can't get out because that section is just full of people griefing, so their rep just keeps going down until the stop playing. It's the way of the world, it's happened before, it happens now and it will happen again.
My rep on 360 got a hammering when I started playing Uno. Yeah, that innocuous card game. Why? I win more than the average player. I don't even use a mic in match mode and I've had lots of communication complaints, never mind "unsporting behaviour" and the like.
This "new" system is bound to fail and be exploited just like the last. Only this time players will be sent to virtual hell for no wrongdoing. Glad I'm going PS4 for the foreseeable future.
This "new" system is bound to fail and be exploited just like the last. Only this time players will be sent to virtual hell for no wrongdoing. Glad I'm going PS4 for the foreseeable future.
Doesn't sound much different to how it is now...
I've played 2 games that got me a LOT of bad rep. Zombies on Black ops because if someone plays like they are the only person there i quit and leave them to play alone. Red Dead Redemption because in the Co-op maps i was king. I was getting bad rep for getting people gold ratings, pathetic bastards. Got a few for harassing dickheads until they quit in free mode lol...don't fuck with me unless your ready for some serious action
To be honest though, the rating system isn't worth shit. I like being able to block idiots who play like children so i don't have to suffer them again and that is really all the system needs. One other thing occurs to me. If you end up only playing against trolls and low skill players if you get a low rating...chances are you will rise quickly to the top ratings on some games...being a dick means you might end up getting elevated in the rankings
I've played 2 games that got me a LOT of bad rep. Zombies on Black ops because if someone plays like they are the only person there i quit and leave them to play alone. Red Dead Redemption because in the Co-op maps i was king. I was getting bad rep for getting people gold ratings, pathetic bastards. Got a few for harassing dickheads until they quit in free mode lol...don't fuck with me unless your ready for some serious action
To be honest though, the rating system isn't worth shit. I like being able to block idiots who play like children so i don't have to suffer them again and that is really all the system needs. One other thing occurs to me. If you end up only playing against trolls and low skill players if you get a low rating...chances are you will rise quickly to the top ratings on some games...being a dick means you might end up getting elevated in the rankings
Remember that thread awhile back about kicking/banning players for being too good at the game? Now these people will have a way to force their mediocrity by giving bad rep for players who are are just better. In addition to that, there will be trolls ganging up of course, as mentioned in the article.
The opportunity for griefing is pretty lame and added to that you can acquire positive rep points by renewing your XBL sub?
......What?
I wonder whether it would work if the rating you give someone is weighted by your own reputation. That way people with shitty rep would have little to no effect when rating others, whilst those with normal to high reputation will have a more meaningful effect. Not to say that having a super high reputation will give you the power to instantly drop people into the troll zone, but that trolls and newbies won't be able to do much to regular gamers.
PREPARE YOURSELF MORTARS TO SERVE MY MASTER FOR ETERNITY (insert diablo 3 skeleton king voice here)
Really, I am going to enjoy all these threads soon, while I sit back with my pc and laugh at this.
I find it Ironic that you can almost pick the types of haters deeper in this image provided that will be cast down into the hell. With the racists ect at the deepest end and the Hackers being the gluttons ect.
Really, I am going to enjoy all these threads soon, while I sit back with my pc and laugh at this.
I find it Ironic that you can almost pick the types of haters deeper in this image provided that will be cast down into the hell. With the racists ect at the deepest end and the Hackers being the gluttons ect.
Reputation systems only work if there is considerable oversight and a number of failsafes. For instance, LoL has a solid system in the Tribunal (not perfect, but robust and solid), where players report others, then once a sufficient number of reports has been accrued that player is forwarded to the Tribunal. There, other players get to review cases at random, each case consisting of stats and chat logs for a number of games that player participated in. Finally, if enough players decide that the accused deserves punishment, it is then forwarded to a moderator who makes the final call.
Do I trust Microsoft to go through the trouble of setting up a robust multilayered system to minimize the chances of misuse? No, I do not. I honestly don't see why I should. I find it far more likely that it'll be a flimsy system, full of possibilities for abuse and that it MIGHT get a bit better a few years down the line when the screams of the mistreated reach MS's ivory tower...
Do I trust Microsoft to go through the trouble of setting up a robust multilayered system to minimize the chances of misuse? No, I do not. I honestly don't see why I should. I find it far more likely that it'll be a flimsy system, full of possibilities for abuse and that it MIGHT get a bit better a few years down the line when the screams of the mistreated reach MS's ivory tower...
I think the real problem is companies like Microsoft, or MMOs in general, are reluctant to drop the banhammer. IMO if you grief or harass someone, you should not get unlimited time outs, you should be permanently banned from the game. Problem is the company loses your money and generally the worst of the worst are "the elites" of a gaming community. You can automate all the systems you want, but until companies are willing to stand against the riff-raff, the riff-raff knows nothing bad is going to happen.
Edit: It's not going to make it easier- it's going to make it different. I'm skeptical these roving bands of down voters exist in significant numbers to destroy casual gamers. Can the system be abused- yes. Does something need to be done though- yes.
Edit: It's not going to make it easier- it's going to make it different. I'm skeptical these roving bands of down voters exist in significant numbers to destroy casual gamers. Can the system be abused- yes. Does something need to be done though- yes.
Sir, if you've never experienced a similar system before, you should not jump to conclusions. I assure you, the rating bot does not give a rats ass about who put the report in. There are so many other games and even forums with similar systems and it ended up catastrophically bad in almost all cases.cloroxbb said:
The moderators make the final call in only the cases that involve a perm ban. In all other instances- it's entirely automated.Jandau said:
And to give an alternate opinion on The League Tribunal- it is absolutely the worst rep system I've ever seen or been a part of. You can get suspended for days or even weeks without even breaking a single rule. To give an example: A person recently got banned because he was playing Mordekaiser as a jungler.
More info: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35658688
Except he wasn't. In that particular game, he played an unconventional build of a not-too-great champion for the first time (his own words) in a Ranked game. I can totally understand why his team was less than thrilled. Also, you don't get banned for one game. Ever. You can't. You had to have been reported by multiple people for a number of games. I've done a decent number of Tribunal cases and I've never seen a case with less than 4 games that that person was reported for, usually, 6-7 games were listed.5ilver said:
People are naturally butthurt when they get a suspension, and they tend to cry about it, saying that it was just one game. It wasn't. It never is. To even show up in front of the Tribunal you had to have been reported over and over again.
I think this is a great idea by Microsoft in theory. While I've never encountered (on PS3) anyone at all who whines on CoD as the stereotype goes (I find it pretty silent actually) I hear stories of people who are attacked by trolls in-game for whatever so it will be good for them to be able to avoid it, and to stop people being dicks in the first place.
Saying that, when playing with friends I always mute everyone save my friends so I can hear them better. I wouldn't want these mutes to count against the people, it's nothing they've done, so I hope they have a way to stop it.
Saying that, when playing with friends I always mute everyone save my friends so I can hear them better. I wouldn't want these mutes to count against the people, it's nothing they've done, so I hope they have a way to stop it.