The US Air-Force took over the Skynet project and by using super-duper American magic were able to carry on the research where it was left off, regardless of whether the Cyberdine building was trashed or not
it doesn't fit with the first two Skynet was based on parts from the terminators but EVERY part of them was destroyed in T2 which makes that impossible.
If Isaac possessed any intelligence at all he could have just looked at the first letter of every chatper to see that "NICOLE IS DEAD" instead of being surprised by it later.
Ummm...
The chapter titles were for the player's benefit, not Isaac's.
All Isaac was seeing on those screens was "medical ward" or "engineering" or whatever.
What ship would actually put up chapter titles?
Anyway... the worst plot hole I've encountered?
Sorry, I don't know how to use the spoiler code, so just stop reading here.
After you finish the main quest in Oblivion, you literally leave the entire place without an Emperor, or any heirs to speak of. This wouldn't be much of a problem, except that up to that point, the game keeps selling you on the idea that the royal blood line is needed to preserve the magical barriers between Tamriel and Oblivion. Well, by the end of the game, Martin, the last remnant of the royal bloodline sacrifices himself to kill Mehrunes Dagon. Trouble is... now that the bloodline is gone forever, what's to stop the Daedra from launching another invasion?
For the record, I never finished Oblivion (didn't like the game that much), so I don't know the details, but I guess we'll know the answer to that in The Elder Scrolls V... That doesn't sound so much like a plot hole, more like a cliffhanger.
(In a totally unrelated note, I don't believe you guys are still going on about MW2...)
the majority of the members weren't. they were being used by Xehanort and Mansex.
358/2 explains most of the backstory behind all that for you, if you haven't played it yet.
Pretty much Modern warfare 2, if you want a specific event.
How did Prince (Price?) launch a nuke from a sub?
I mean, everyone knows that you need to "press" two buttons at once to launch a nuke, most oftenly in two separate places on the ship in question!
How the hell did Neo get superpowers in the real world? He had his eyes burned out of their sockets but he could still see Agent Smith. The only possible explanation is that either they were still plugged into the Matrix and didn't know it, or the Wachowski Brothers just said "Fuck it," and I'm going with the second...
There's more then one Matrix. Remember when the Architect was talking about the Matrix's that were created? He said they were on the seventh, therefore, 'Zion' could be the sixth Matrix, explaining Neo's abilities.
You know what always bugged me?
James Bond. His ages goes from 20 to 40 to 30. How old is he exactly?
Why do people do this? What the hell is the point of your post if you're not going to explain it? How is anyone supposed to discuss what you have to say?
(I don't remember the revised version of that scene well. If he did scream in the revised version, then I have no idea why she wouldn't hear it, aside from all the hair covering her ears )
It's not so much a death scream as just a loud thack. I mean you try hitting a wall or something with hard plastic. It's kinda noisy, but I guess the music box could cover it? Still if I were trying to find a killer I'd at least see where my partner is going...
Why do people do this? What the hell is the point of your post if you're not going to explain it? How is anyone supposed to discuss what you have to say?
1)Sirius escaping Azkaban. How? It's explained in the book, but not in the movie. Neither is the Marauder's Map, no explaination for it's existance or why all of them learned to be Animagi.
2)Barty Crouch Jr. Escaping Azkaban. We see the arrest, but no mention of how he escaped the 'unescapable' prison.
3)The kids use silent incantations in the 5th movie despite that they don't learn how to do that until later. And that Harry is supposed to suck at it.
4)The twins opening the joke shop. The whole gambling bit that is supposed to explain how they were owed money and that Harry gave them his Triwizard winnings was left out, so suddenly the twins have enough money to open a large shop in the 6th movie....how?
It all boils down to idiotic cuts from the book. They will put in actions, but not the motivation. Basically you NEED to read the books to understand the later movies.
Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.
To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.
The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
Good point. Why is Russia going all out on the states because of one questionable piece of evidence? Unless the American had an "I was hired by the US government" T-shirt.
Yeah, he could have just been a total nutter and not represented a black-op to assassinate a terrorist mercenary. I'd say that the US could very quickly destroy any evidence he was in the army or anything too. And how did they find out he was a yank?
... and how pray tell did they managed to keep all of those planes fueled to pretty much get from one end of the world to another with enough troops to make a differance?
Simply put they would have needed to take over a number of islands and brought in carriers in order to do that, and they still probably would have needed a beach head to boot.
Truthfully I think the Coast Guard alone would have done a massive job on them without one.
From what I've seen of MW2, the entire thing seems to revolve around this ACS system and the idea that with this one mystical device, and a total lack of common sense or additional security, Russia is basically able to disable all of the defenses of the US and somehow magically get troops from one end of the globe to the other without anyone in between here and there noticing, and penetrate all the way to the US Capitol....
Stop and think about this for a second.
They wouldn't be in it alone, of course, but consider that we have an entire branch of the military that uses rather large and heavily armed cutters, and other sea faring craft, combined with helicopters and an aviation division, to patrol the waters around the US. The Coast Guard, acts as police, rescue, and is tasked with Homeland security. Even if one was to argue that our Satellites and such were offline, someone moving these massive clouds of planes which are probably reliant on aircraft carriers close enough to the US to land Paratroopers is *not* going to be unnoticed. Oh sure, in a pitched battle a couple dedicated task forces of the Russian Navy and Airforce would decimate the US Coast Guard... well unless of course they aren't going to bother even hitting the beaches or something dumb like that.. I mean the Coasties aren't intended for that kind of engagement. One thing that they would do is prevent a surprise attack of this sort (which is part of the point) and they could make themselves a bit annoying to deal with while the real military got involved.
Or to put things into perspective, simply using where I live in Connecticut as an example. We have a Coast Guard Academy, and a Naval Submarine base. If something like that happened off our coast line, I sort of think they would talk to each other. There is going to be a fight. The same is probably going to apply to just about any other coastal area/state.
... and that's kind of ridiculous too, because again, I don't think they'd get accross all that ocean unopposed or unseen.
I'm fairly certain that the coast guard is not equipped to shoot down enemy high altitude aircraft. And I'm aware that there is a naval base in New London. How many of those naval ships do you think are outfitted and operational? There are no carrier groups patrolling the northeast corridor, they would either be deployed overseas or the nearest is in Virginia I believe. I also believe you are overestimating the coast guard's presence along the atlantic coast. They patrol within 12 miles of the coast, everything else is international waters where they have no jurisdiction. And as for your concern over the aircraft needing to refuel, I'm not too sure how familiar you are with modern aircraft but a typical Russian midrange cargo plane has a range of 8000km, http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/an_70.html, more than enough to reach the continental United States. How do you think that transatlantic commercial flights work? Do they land on nonexistent islands? How do you think the United States flies troops to the Persian Gulf? This isn't WWII, there aren't troop ships anymore, it's all done in the air.
Oh, example? Well, the catalyst for the invasion of America is the terrorist attack in a Russian airport where there was one American corpse..... Okay.
To think that Russian security was so lax there that they didn't check the cameras to see who else was involved, or that American intelligencia wouldn't be out there doing a massive CYA job to prevent such an invasion from happening by their fault is lowbrow thinking at its utmost.
The entire plot for Modern Warfare 2 was one big facepalm after another.
Good point. Why is Russia going all out on the states because of one questionable piece of evidence? Unless the American had an "I was hired by the US government" T-shirt.
Yeah, he could have just been a total nutter and not represented a black-op to assassinate a terrorist mercenary. I'd say that the US could very quickly destroy any evidence he was in the army or anything too. And how did they find out he was a yank?
Makarov was in cahoots with the Russian Ultranationalist party who were in control of Russia and were looking for a reason to attack the United States. They didn't need to do investigate, this gave them a smoking gun.
Also here's a real life scenario that you can compare it to. Terrorists attack the twin towers, the majority of them are Saudis and members of Al Qaeda, the United States retaliates by attacking Afghanistan and then Iraq which had absolutely nothing to do with it. So as you can see governments tend to do what they want with minimal proof behind it.
There's this one plot hole in Assasins Creed II that really bugs me:
So, after Ezio stops Rodrigo Borgia from getting the Piece of Eden, we fast-foreward a few years in the Animus. Our faithful (if a bit douchy) British friend then suddenly realises that Borgio was a pope. So the expert historian just now realised that the main evil guy and head conspirator was once a POPE? I knew he was a pope from my 10th grade history class!
A historian doesn't necessarily have to be clued up on everything. Until recently I didn't know Borgia was a Pope. I took history. I'm also British, for the record. Anyhow, the guy Danny Wallace voices (can't remember the character name so I'm using his more well known voice actor's name) might be a historian specialising in, say, African History, or Early Modern History (i.e. late 1800s, up to late 1900s). In which case he wouldn't specifically have to know that Borgia was a Pope.
maddawg IAJI said:
The only one I can think is in Heavy Rain.
In the game, Ethan Mars has to go to a locker with a box in it that the Origami Killer had left for him. Just before the locker room is a Metal Detector. Ethan finds the locker and inside the box is a Gun. How did the gun get through the Metal detector without the detector going off?
Same way that people at my old school used to steal library books from the school library (I know this because I worked in said library for six years). He either lifted the box over the detector, or around it. Otherwise, he managed to find some way to shut off the electricity powering the detector, or the alarms, for a temporary period. Or, he may have set off the alarm and nobody was around to hear it, then shut off the alarm himself later. There are countless possibilities...
8bitlove2a03 said:
Bioshock:
Dying causes you to be instantly revived in the nearest VitaChamber, because you are close enough to Andrew Ryan's genetic code and he can use VitaChambers. When he commits suicide-by-player, his personal VitaChamber in his office is off. Presumably this was to make the point that Ryan doesn't give a toss anymore because his city has gone to Hell and there's nothing to be done so he wants to die. However, the game spawns you in the closest nearby VitaChamber. Since that one was off it would just mean he would be routed to the next closest chamber. So obviously Ryan spawned in a chamber just outside his office, then ran away before shit hit the fan with Fontaine.
Tldr: science happened in Bioshock, Andrew Ryan is still alive...?
Ryan could have had the Vitachamber on a timer, like the ones you buy in electrical stores to turn the lights on and off for you when you're on holiday, or else there's the standard and accepted explanation. It's just that he may have decided to change the Vitachambers so his exact genetic code isn't recognised, so Jack's genetic code would still be recognised but Ryan's wouldn't and so he wouldn't be revived. Or he may have had a choice, there may have been a subroutine programmed into the Vitachambers to give Ryan a choice if he wanted to live or die, and he chose death. Again, there are plenty of explanations, you just need to think about them and they'll come.
Irridium said:
Well not really gaming, but with Citizen Kane:
No one would have been able to hear him say "Rosebud". He barely whispered it, there was no one around. Sure they could have heard the snowglobe break, but there is no way anyone could have heard him say "Rosebud".
I saw that film. Right at the end it's explained, there was his butler-type guy standing outside, and he heard it. He just wasn't in view of the camera in the opening shots of the film. He subsequently would have been the one then to report what C.F.Kane's last words were.
The Seldom Seen Kid said:
The only one I can think of is The Dark Knight (I know, it's not really gaming, whatever.)
As much as I love that movie, it's just littered with inconsistencies.
1. Why would Joker give two different versions of how he got his scars?
2. When would he find time rig two entire boats?
3. How can he join a soldier parade without anybody noticing the big lip scars?
4. Why is Batman taking the heat for Two-Face?
5. And most importantly: Why is defeating ten henchmen single-handedly more difficult then a single person with a knife? Or a dog, for that matter?
EDIT: I found a gaming-related one:
If Isaac's wife, from Dead Space, is a product of his imagination: HOW COULD SHE HAVE OPENED A DOOR FOR HIM VIA A COMPUTER NETWORK?!
1. The guy is a complete sociopath and psycho and it was no doubt simply a case of his own personal amusement and confusing others.
2. There is a lot of off-screen time the characters have, you know. He did it when the cameras were focused on someone else, like everything that happens off-camera in a film. As a film-maker myself I can tell you that for nothing.
3. When you're in a soldier parade people are usually more focussed on making sure they don't walk into the back of someone, or staring straight ahead (usually at someone's back) to attention, to be looking at people's faces. I know that because I was an RAF Cadet a few years back and had to stand on parade with the contingent every Friday for roughly five years.
4. The idea is that Two-Face, since he was once Harvey Dent, is still respected and looked up to by the people of Gotham City. Batman and Lieutenant Gordon want to make sure people still look up to Dent, and use his memory as inspiration to follow his fotsteps and make Gotham a better place, so they do whatever they can to avoid Two-Face being held responsible for the carnage he creates (which was all a result of the Joker's plans anyway). So when Dent ends up murdering people, Batman has little choice but to take the rap, or let Dent's memory be besmirched, which nobody wants.
5. 'Too many cooks spoil the broth'. Lots of people in a fight get in each other's way, and Batman can take advantage of that and use it to help him win. With only one or two opponents, your attention is focused, but at the same time the opponent can also focus more on hitting you than they would on avoiding their allies, so the opponent becomes tougher to beat as a result. Plus, ever occur to you that the single opponent may simply be stronger or more agile than the other ten goons?
No one would have been able to hear him say "Rosebud". He barely whispered it, there was no one around. Sure they could have heard the snowglobe break, but there is no way anyone could have heard him say "Rosebud".
I saw that film. Right at the end it's explained, there was his butler-type guy standing outside, and he heard it. He just wasn't in view of the camera in the opening shots of the film. He subsequently would have been the one then to report what C.F.Kane's last words were.
No one would have been able to hear him say "Rosebud". He barely whispered it, there was no one around. Sure they could have heard the snowglobe break, but there is no way anyone could have heard him say "Rosebud".
I saw that film. Right at the end it's explained, there was his butler-type guy standing outside, and he heard it. He just wasn't in view of the camera in the opening shots of the film. He subsequently would have been the one then to report what C.F.Kane's last words were.
But he was there! He was out of camera shot, and in the end of the film we see him run towards the bed from where he was standing, in the room, and Kane's body lying peacefully in the bed. The butler-guy was definitely present, and he definitely heard it. I always thought this was a plothole myself until I saw the film, and I can confirm this with my own eyes.
... and how pray tell did they managed to keep all of those planes fueled to pretty much get from one end of the world to another with enough troops to make a differance?
Simply put they would have needed to take over a number of islands and brought in carriers in order to do that, and they still probably would have needed a beach head to boot.
Truthfully I think the Coast Guard alone would have done a massive job on them without one.
From what I've seen of MW2, the entire thing seems to revolve around this ACS system and the idea that with this one mystical device, and a total lack of common sense or additional security, Russia is basically able to disable all of the defenses of the US and somehow magically get troops from one end of the globe to the other without anyone in between here and there noticing, and penetrate all the way to the US Capitol....
Stop and think about this for a second.
They wouldn't be in it alone, of course, but consider that we have an entire branch of the military that uses rather large and heavily armed cutters, and other sea faring craft, combined with helicopters and an aviation division, to patrol the waters around the US. The Coast Guard, acts as police, rescue, and is tasked with Homeland security. Even if one was to argue that our Satellites and such were offline, someone moving these massive clouds of planes which are probably reliant on aircraft carriers close enough to the US to land Paratroopers is *not* going to be unnoticed. Oh sure, in a pitched battle a couple dedicated task forces of the Russian Navy and Airforce would decimate the US Coast Guard... well unless of course they aren't going to bother even hitting the beaches or something dumb like that.. I mean the Coasties aren't intended for that kind of engagement. One thing that they would do is prevent a surprise attack of this sort (which is part of the point) and they could make themselves a bit annoying to deal with while the real military got involved.
Or to put things into perspective, simply using where I live in Connecticut as an example. We have a Coast Guard Academy, and a Naval Submarine base. If something like that happened off our coast line, I sort of think they would talk to each other. There is going to be a fight. The same is probably going to apply to just about any other coastal area/state.
... and that's kind of ridiculous too, because again, I don't think they'd get accross all that ocean unopposed or unseen.
I'm fairly certain that the coast guard is not equipped to shoot down enemy high altitude aircraft. And I'm aware that there is a naval base in New London. How many of those naval ships do you think are outfitted and operational? There are no carrier groups patrolling the northeast corridor, they would either be deployed overseas or the nearest is in Virginia I believe. I also believe you are overestimating the coast guard's presence along the atlantic coast. They patrol within 12 miles of the coast, everything else is international waters where they have no jurisdiction. And as for your concern over the aircraft needing to refuel, I'm not too sure how familiar you are with modern aircraft but a typical Russian midrange cargo plane has a range of 8000km, http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/an_70.html, more than enough to reach the continental United States. How do you think that transatlantic commercial flights work? Do they land on nonexistent islands? How do you think the United States flies troops to the Persian Gulf? This isn't WWII, there aren't troop ships anymore, it's all done in the air.
You are aware of the logistics of moving an invasion force right? It's not a simple matter of moving some civilians from point A to point B. There is a reason why we put Carriers and such in the middle of the Persian Gulf instead of just flying our stuff back and forth accross the ocean. We also need to use tenders constantly to keep these groups operational.
In New London it's not just a Naval Base, it's a Submarine base. All of them are armed and operational. Part of the point of modern subs is that they carry missles and are very capable of intercepting both planes and other missles.
The point of the Coast Guard isn't so much that they could shoot down the Aircraft, but simply that it blows any chance of there being a surprise attack of the sort presented. What's more if the Russians *DID* fly in a bunch of unsupported troops it would be the most lulzworthy and ridiculous military failure in history.
It's like this, let's say they disable the satellite "early warning system" with this magical key of baloney. Some Russian general decides "hey, let's fly a bunch of cargo jets with paratroopers into DC for the ultranationalist lulz". Somehow, these Jets manage to make it past everything between here and there, and somehow nobody notices from allied nations, military bases thata aren't in the US, patrolling subs, air patrols, and whatever else. When they arrive, your Paratroopers are going to have no ammo resupply, resources, timely reinforcements, or anything else. They are going to be cut to ribbons no matter how many
are sent. Forget military response, they are going to have their hands full just with the DC Police, FBI, and armed civilians (and the military/national guard WOULD respond). I mean they aren't going to have the numbers, they aren't going to have the munitions, and they aren't going to have the support. I mean I'm sure it would be a big deal, but it would fall more under the "The Russians are flaming stupid" than any real bonafide threat to the US.
But honestly, they aren't going to get that far.
The point here being that Modern Warfare 2's plot is inherantly garbage. Now that doesn't mean it's not entertaining if you put your brain into neutral and just go with it. I mean heck, it worked for "Invasion USA". But the subject here is ridiculous plot holes.
Getting past the entire issue of the troops themselves getting here undetected and being a viable threat, the basic premise of there being a single magical method of disabiling the entire US "early warning system" (satellites, etc..) is also fundementally ridiculous in of itself. There is a plothole before you even get to the issue as to whether the Russians could somehow land an invasion force directly in DC and do anything besides realize how dumb it was before they died.
The US Air-Force took over the Skynet project and by using super-duper American magic were able to carry on the research where it was left off, regardless of whether the Cyberdine building was trashed or not
it doesn't fit with the first two Skynet was based on parts from the terminators but EVERY part of them was destroyed in T2 which makes that impossible.
As much as I hate stating the obvious even when stupid people don't realize it: The entirety of Judgement Day revolved around the first Terminator's ARM and Arnie insisted his ENTIRE body had to be destroyed. It doesn't matter if you're talking about a movie you've never seen or if you just weren't paying attention: You're a shameful doofus either way.
ANYHTING that had to do with the research got destroyd in a huge explosion the terminator and arm both got destroid in the molten steel PS I have seen the first 3 terminator movies so I know what I am talking about
I think he left since the life of the party has also left, but I could be wrong since I've only seen the movie once and my memory of that night is bit hazy due to alcohol consumption
No one would have been able to hear him say "Rosebud". He barely whispered it, there was no one around. Sure they could have heard the snowglobe break, but there is no way anyone could have heard him say "Rosebud".
I saw that film. Right at the end it's explained, there was his butler-type guy standing outside, and he heard it. He just wasn't in view of the camera in the opening shots of the film. He subsequently would have been the one then to report what C.F.Kane's last words were.
But he was there! He was out of camera shot, and in the end of the film we see him run towards the bed from where he was standing, in the room, and Kane's body lying peacefully in the bed. The butler-guy was definitely present, and he definitely heard it. I always thought this was a plothole myself until I saw the film, and I can confirm this with my own eyes.
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