Movie Defense Force: Freddy vs. Jason

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Jimothy Sterling

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Freddy vs. Jason

The scourges of Elm Street and Crystal Lake meet at last. It's the slasher showdown of the century and ... some people are sad about it.

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labbu

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Seriously, I just watched this movie a couple minuites ago, check my twitter feed and a link to this video pops up lol :p

Well, I can't really say whether or not this movie is better than the other Nightmare and Friday movies like you said, since this is the only Freddy or Jason movie I've ever watched. But I do really like it as a movie on it's own merits; plenty of action, memorable kills and a Kung-Fu kicking Freddy. The perfect Valentine's Day movie!
 

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This was actually the first slasher movies I watched, and I have quite fond memories of it. I was always a bit of a scaredy-cat when I was younger so I never watched a lot of horror, but my then-girlfriend got me to watch this, and I liked it. The plot was funny and interesting and the gore was silly enough that I could stomach it. Of course, I never went in with the baggage of being a fan of either series, but maybe that's the secret.
 

SimGrave

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Thank God for Jim!
Freddy vs Jason is easily one of my favorite movies of all time.
And IT IS better than any of the original installments of both franchise.
Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th series are campy and that's why we like them.
But in term of movie quality / talent... they are horrible.
Some of the funny things about Jason... is how each actor who played him argue that they really brought something to the character with body language, or how fan argues about which one was better.
All of the fans bashed FvJ because it wasn't Kane Hodder and while I agree that he did have his signature as Jason... I don't think it would have made a big difference.
His Name was Jason is a good documentary though... watch it!

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Reeve

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I don't like the Jason films. I don't like the Freddy films. I don't like this film. I don't like the slasher/thriller genre anyway. I can agree that the special effects are better, I suppose.
 

Hopposai

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I have been defending this movie since I saw it in the theater. One, because it was a memorable time with two great friends, but it was ment to be a stupid movie. It was just made so we can see these to titans duke it out. Not to say it wouldn't have been better if Michael Myers made a surprise cameo at the end and murdered the lot of them.
 

Therumancer

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Good one, and I believe I commented on it very similarly in response to MDF in an earlier installment largely because I saw this coming based on the intro sequence. :)

The only bit I'd mention (which I covered before) is that there were possible scripts for the whole Freedy Vs. Jason showdown out there for years, not to mention tons of fan fiction and garbage on the subject. I think the problem is less than it wasn't everyone's paticular "dream match", so much as it was virtually noone's. While it's not as terrible as some people make out, when you consider that there have arguably been fan fiction writers who did better at convincing people of how it should be, that's a problem. Not to mention allegedly leaked scripts going back before the movie was actually ever planned that seem like they would have resulted in a better film.

Also for every clever bit, like Freddy duplicating Jason's mother, you have to wonder why all of a sudden Jason is hydrophobic which hardly seems to have been an issue with him before despite the drowning bit... or why dosing Jason with Sedatives would have knocked him out to bring him to the dream world to begin with. Questions like that cause problems with the movie. As awesome as the scene of Freddy dominating Jason in the dream world might be, I think half the problem is that fans had a problem acknowledging that Freddy could ever bring Jason there, at least using that method.

Oh and one other quibble, when it comes to the Friday The 13th movies, the FX for them was pretty bloody good for their day which is part of the selling point. I remember seeing TV specials on "how they did that" when they were a bit newer because visually some of the things they did were awesome... it was very much an "eye candy" movie for it's day. Also it should be noted that despite the terrible actors in them, one of the other things that caused them to succeed was that they had a lot of decent talent as well, including people that weren't yet famous. Johnny Depp, John Saxon (arguably a B-movie king, sort of like the Ron Pearlman of his day), and I believe Laurence Fishbourne has a supporting role in Nightmare On Elm Street 3. This can also be applied to some extent to "Friday The 13th" but not to the same extent or to where I remember it, but consider that even the goofier installments like "Jason X" had some decent people that wound up going places. If I remember Lexa Doig and the actress that played Beka on Andromeda (the name eludes me for the moment) were apparently both in that movie, and I remember them joking that "Andromeda" felt like a "Jason X" cast reunion with the ironic twist that the roles were reversed since Lexa played the Android/Ship Avatar in Andromeda, while Beka's actress played the robot in "Jason X". Say what you want about the acting and writing, but Andromeda managed to last five years, and Lexa Doig still seems to manage to pop up for small roles throughout geekdom. The point being that I think the casts involved in the single movies had a bit more talent sprinkled through them than they are getting credit for, and I'd imagine a few people had careers springboarded. You might be looking at some really bad dialogue and cookie cutter characters, but at the same time these movies succeeded because they managed to make it fun to watch, which does taken talent. Was it a bad actor, or a good actor with a bad script, or people just intentionally hamming it up because it's just that kind of movie. Look at say "Cabin In The Woods" Chris Hemmsworth is not a great actor but he's okay, even allowing for the premise (intentional cliques due to manipulation), you watch that and you might think he totally sucks, but at the same time it's pretty obviously intentional when you think about it and see that he's nailed a few other roles (including some like Thor, which might not be deep, but was apparently heavily contested) :)
 

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Rumors of this movie's production had been buzzing around since I was 5, so when it did eventually come out over a decade later, I loved it for probably no other reason that nostalgia & pavlovian conditioning

As an adult, I see that the originals of both series were ambitious lil indie films that wanted to make us cringe, laugh, & shit our pants at the same time. I respect that. Both became sudden smash hits, to the surprise of essentially everyone that either made or watched movies, so they cranked out a ridiculous number of embarrassing sequels (Jason fared better when it came to the occasionally decent sequel, but then again Freddy killed someone with a Nintendo Power Glove in one, so points for that). Freddy vs. Jason was exactly what I wanted, plus they actually bothered hiring a writer this time
 

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Hmmm, I don't know...

I will agree with the fact that both franchises are pretty much stupid as hell - though sometimes entertaining - but I still think Nightmare on Elm Street 3 is a better film. Story? Meh. There were creative deaths and good special effects to go with them. The smoking girl getting her face smashed into the TV and the muscled woman slowly turning into a cockroach were way more memorable to me than anything that happened in Freddy Vs. Jason.
 

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On this note, Jason X and Alien vs. Predator get a bad wrap for everything Jim said when I find them pretty watchable. Freddy vs. Jason is the king of the shitpile but once you get down to it they all have their little good bits hidden under the mound of manure that each of these films are.
 

Darks63

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I fully agree with you Jim I never saw why people hated this film so much i ultimately delivered on its promise of the said fight and it was a very good battle overall.

I cant wait for Your Hellraiser 3 review thats another one of my favs from the series and i was unaware that people hated them especially with all the bad sequels post the giant space cube hellraiser movie.
Arqus_Zed said:
Hmmm, I don't know...

I will agree with the fact that both franchises are pretty much stupid as hell - though sometimes entertaining - but I still think Nightmare on Elm Street 3 is a better film. Story? Meh. There were creative deaths and good special effects to go with them. The smoking girl getting her face smashed into the TV and the muscled woman slowly turning into a cockroach were way more memorable to me than anything that happened in Freddy Vs. Jason.
The cockroach women is from Nightmare 4 not 3 yeah i know they all kinda blend together.
 

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For the most part I agree, although i will say that the Original Nightmare on Elmstreet is still better since things don't get campy/stupid until AFTER the original. Also New Nightmare had a lot of things going for it as a 'response' movie to the canon stuff.

Also Jason X is pretty damn awesome if you look at it as a comedy =p
 

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First of: Thank God for Jim! You set the bar high and you come through 98% of the time. I think the one(and only) time you crossed the line was with the whole "Dr. Genetalia"-bit.

I do like this movie. It's a great...err... good slasher flick. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a "great" slasher-flick though, so it's up there. It's a movie that has got "character", even if it doesn't have my favourite "kill-scene". That award goes to the "double-sleepingbag-murder" from Jason X. Love that scene, makes the movie.

But here's to the meat and potatoes of my post, the sole reason for me actually bothering to post anything to begin with. It's an issue that you have been teasing since the beginning of this show, something I cannot bear to keep inside any more, something that needs to be asked: When are you going to cover Repo: The genetic opera? It's driving me insane! I needs it reviewed, I needs it defended, I.... neeeeeds it.
 

Arqus_Zed

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Darks63 said:
I fully agree with you Jim I never saw why people hated this film so much i ultimately delivered on its promise of the said fight and it was a very good battle overall.

I cant wait for Your Hellraiser 3 review thats another one of my favs from the series and i was unaware that people hated them especially with all the bad sequels post the giant space cube hellraiser movie.
Arqus_Zed said:
Hmmm, I don't know...

I will agree with the fact that both franchises are pretty much stupid as hell - though sometimes entertaining - but I still think Nightmare on Elm Street 3 is a better film. Story? Meh. There were creative deaths and good special effects to go with them. The smoking girl getting her face smashed into the TV and the muscled woman slowly turning into a cockroach were way more memorable to me than anything that happened in Freddy Vs. Jason.
The cockroach women is from Nightmare 4 not 3 yeah i know they all kinda blend together.

Whelp, there goes my credibility. Though the third one did have the guy being led to his death like a puppet with strings made from his own flesh, right? That was still pretty memorable.
 

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I enjoyed the film quite a bit. Overall I didn't really enjoy the Jason films; they tried to mix it up a little in each instalment but in the end it was just 'second verse same as the first'. For Freddy, I did enjoy the first because that had some pretty disturbing scenes in it and the last one because it was just so silly and slapstick I couldn't help but laugh at it.
Like you said, the story to this wasn't bad, considering what the previous films were about. Overall this film was much better than I anticipated!
 

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And yet again you phrase my thoughts exactly!
As exact as can be expected without experimental brain surgery, anyway.
Or, you know, talking to me... :p

This makes 4 out of 4 in my count.
Guess we have the exact same taste.
Shine on, you crazy diamond!!!

(Yes, I love Yahtzee's monologues)
 

daxterx2005

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How could anyone dislike this movie?
Its hands down the best crossover film made to date.
It blends both lores excellently.
 

Scorpid

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I'd like to see him do a Sunshine review. That's a movie I thought was great but everyone else seems to hate.