Music: Black Veil Brides.

[The-Traveling-Bard]

There seems a lot of hate circles then band no thanks to the hate band wagon but I would actually like to discuss them for moment.

I truly do not think that really that terrible. Andy is a passionate person who seems quite smart and well educated. I think the biggest mistake he did was "We Stitch These Wounds" and that stigma is going to follow him around every where he goes. It was very.. "emo" and his make up style at that point was very childish compared to some other people that came and pass. Marilyn Manson, David Bowie, Alice Cooper. Etc. etc. Then the band released a second album called "Set The World On Fire". Wow! What an improvement it was more grown up less childish. Even the instrumental have improved greatly, and Andy stopped screaming. I would say a good step in the right direction. The direction was more hardcore than being... "emo"

I think Andy has some amazing people in his band and his song writing is quite good.
But because of his first album and how "emo" it was, it sent a bad message on what type of person he really is. Also his fans don't really help Andy out due to all the. "OMFG ANDY IS SO HOOOOT!" and I found myself in a situations before when I hated the band because of how stupid their fans are. Even now I am a bit ashamed of being called a "BVB fan." because how the majority of them act. In fact this is what really made me dislike the band when they first came out.

The more I see Andy progress through his music the career the more I like him. He turned into a direction I really did not expect him to take a turn like that.

What do you guys think?

 

[minispike47]

I can't stand BVB. But thats nothing personal to Andy or the rest of band, I simply prefer other sub-genres of metal. Some of my friends really like their stuff. I'm more of a thrash metal guy; Exodus, Megadeth, Slayer etc

Anyway, don't be ashamed that you like the bands you do. There are some musicians that I really like and I get lots of stick for liking them, but you just have to ignore it. I'm a thrash metal fan who also happens to listen to Avril Lavigne...

 

[AnarchistFish]

They're awful

Their music is insipid and boring. Simple structures, dull hooks, overproduced.

Their lyrics are clichéd and don't feel genuine.

They act arrogant in interviews and about their music (best rock album ever made really?)

They try to pull off the rock and roll act and the appealing to the misunderstood teenager thing together but they just seem so out of touch and it amazes me that people buy into it.

And the thing that bothers me about how they look is that they claim to dress how they want and how they feel with no regard to what other people think but they only started dressing as they do when they got a record deal.

Fuck them


nb they've never been emo or hardcore

 

[Dangit2019]

I've never really liked their supposed "bad boy" attitude, as they keep acting like they're so new with their dark makeup and clothes, but it's been done since the 60s.

The music, though? I just don't like it. The guitarist has skill, but the songs are just uninspired for the most part.

 

[Artemis923]

Are they black metal?
Are they death metal?

I rest my case.

 

[KefkaCultist]

I really like them. They're of my favorite bands in fact. However, their fan base is what's terrible IMO. Bunch of whiny, preteen girls. Seriously, I saw them live and I felt so out of place. The music was good, but I felt like any sort of moshing would probably end up with me arrested for assaulting a minor lol.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I think their music is pretty average, and also kinda irritating. They're appearance is another matter, the whole image is a bit shit. And yeah, I like Motley Crue, but I still think they looked stupid back in the 80's. The fanbase is also a pain in the arse, but hey, I guess it's not their fault (it probably is, I'd bet my left nut it's what they had in mind). The handful of times I've heard them speak they've come across as arrogant douchebags too.

I won't hate on them for being derivative and generic, because it is actually possible to be derivative and generic and still be good. I'd be a massive hypocrite if I did, given some of the bands I like. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Lx6SouK6o]

Basically the nicest thing I can say about them is that bits of their music are average.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Are they the guys who look like a bad imitation of Kiss?

I heard one of their songs, I didn't like it but their genre isn't my cup of tea anymore.
I'm sure 14 year old me would have been wet for them.

 

[heavy-metal-ink]

I had to sit through their set at last years Download festival, after every song the vocalist stopped for 2 minutes to rant about 'all the haters in the crowd'. I can live with bands that make bad music, but their attitude sucks (horribly arrogant in interviews) and the majority of their fanbase will move on as soon as the next big thing comes around.

 

[Deathlyphil]

In an attempt to be objective I have listened to a few of their songs. Some aren't bad, but when the singer starts doing that screamy-shouty-I-can't-be-bothered-to-sing-properly stuff I tune out immediately.

 

[II2]

I checked out 3 single(s) videos...

It's not to my taste. I can see why they're successful, but I don't think they really have anything to offer. It's all very well produced and executed and presented, but it just sounds and looks like the amalgam of other successful bands.

If I had to boil my thoughts down to a one shot description, it would be: "carefully derivative".

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

._. This topic did not go in the way I expected. Damn I love the internet!

Anyways although I agree with everyone who commented on this thread. I am still waiting to see how the band grows. They seem to get better with each album and become less, and less.. immature I wanna say. They seem to get rid of their make up (Thank god.. ) Andy fashion sense has become a little more creative than just pulling off KISS uniforms.

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Although I agree with you, but at least they're trying to do what they want to do.
And they have been improving with each album/song that comes out.

As far for being overproduce.. I don't think so. Although I guess this more opinion matter on what you think "overproduce" means.


As far dressing how they feel.. Do you know how expensive that type of make up is? Maybe they just didn't have the funds to do it with. Anyways you're quite wrong on this. Andy dressed that way before.. maybe not as in your face, but still.

 

[Seanfall]

I haven't heard much...but I like what I have heard. At this point I'll take anything that sounds like metal over all the pop shit polluting the airwaves.

 

[TakerFoxx]

They went on tour a few years back with a couple bands I love (Dommin and the Birthday Massacre), and though I was a bit perturbed at how many people were just there for BVB (Birthday Massacre was supposed to be the headliner), I was willing to give them a chance.

Halfway through their second song, I left to go hang out by the merch booths in the back of the venue. Fortunately, Dommin was there, so I got to talk to them instead.

It was hideous. The music was...bad, the performance was annoying, the lead singer was a complete whiny douche bag who went out of his way to be overly crude, and for the first time in my life, I actually congratulated a heckler in the audience, and I never do that.

Plus, later news started to surface of the lead singer's bad behavior on tour toward the other bands. It could be just rumors, given what I saw, it is quite likely that they're based upon fact.

So yeah, BVB is one of the few bands I actively despise.

Rest of the show was awesome though.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

They went on tour a few years back with a couple bands I love (Dommin and the Birthday Massacre), and though I was a bit perturbed at how many people were just there for BVB (Birthday Massacre was supposed to be the headliner), I was willing to give them a chance.

Halfway through their second song, I left to go hang out by the merch booths in the back of the venue. Fortunately, Dommin was there, so I got to talk to them instead.

It was hideous. The music was...bad, the performance was annoying, the lead singer was a complete whiny douche bag who went out of his way to be overly crude, and for the first time in my life, I actually congratulated a heckler in the audience, and I never do that.

Plus, later news started to surface of the lead singer's bad behavior on tour toward the other bands. It could be just rumors, given what I saw, it is quite likely that they're based upon fact.

So yeah, BVB is one of the few bands I actively despise.

Rest of the show was awesome though.

I've seem him be crude to people who fling bottles at him, and crap. But if you're disrespecting someone and they tell you to fuck off. Can you really blame the guy?

Although I don't know what happened in your experience but that's what I see him doing.

 

[AnarchistFish]

but at least they're trying to do what they want to do.

And they have been improving with each album/song that comes out.

Doesn't make it good

As far for being overproduce.. I don't think so. Although I guess this more opinion matter on what you think "overproduce" means.

Sleek, gleaming guitar solos (every time). Completely inoffensive and mushy guitar chords. And the shit going on in the background. No grit

As far dressing how they feel.. Do you know how expensive that type of make up is? Maybe they just didn't have the funds to do it with. Anyways you're quite wrong on this. Andy dressed that way before.. maybe not as in your face, but still.

Still comes across as really fake to me

 

[TakerFoxx]

I've seem him be crude to people who fling bottles at him, and crap. But if you're disrespecting someone and they tell you to fuck off. Can you really blame the guy?

Although I don't know what happened in your experience but that's what I see him doing.

He was rude and crude from the moment his band took the stage. If I recall, his opening words were something to the tune of "If you hate us, then sucks to be you! Because we're about to waste your fucking time!" At which point I was going, "Yeah, this isn't going to go well." It didn't help that I had brought my younger brother to the show (person I was supposed to go with had backed out, and I needed to use the ticket), and I had to convince my mom that the bands we were going to see were clean (which Birthday Massacre and Dommin were, but unfortunately I didn't know what to expect from BVB).

Then partway through the show he directed the whole audience to turn around and yell "Fuck you!" to the heckler, who, I should point out, hadn't even said anything yet. He was just standing in the back with his middle finger up. A bit disrespectful, to be sure, but to turn the whole audience against one guy who hadn't even said anything? And the guy's response: "Your album's okay, but you guys are assholes!", which I fully agreed on, save for the album being okay part.

Plus, after I had wandered back in near the end of their set, one of their fans was moshing and slammed into me, knocking part of my pelvis into the wall, which was then sore for the rest of the week. Not the band's fault, I know, but it didn't exactly improve my opinion of them.

If you like them, more power to you. But as for me, I can't stand them.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

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Now this is going to the point where I ask you.
Do you play guitar?
Let alone know how to make a song?
Do you think they're just creative with their music?

Someone came up to me and said. "LOOK AT THIS GUY SHRED! HE'S REALLY GOOD" Now.. being a guitar player myself. Shredding isn't difficult, and it could be done with 1, or two years of lessons. Playing guitar isn't hard, and most things you hear in songs aren't really that difficult to produce. Example?

Unholy confessions by Avenged Sevenfold. That rift right in the beginning some people call that difficult, and hard. But that's actually one of the best rifts to practice because it's so easy, and it learn how to slide correctly, and learn tempos correctly.



Also.. sleek gleaming guitar solos? Oh.. Somebody better call up John 5, Buckethead, Twiggy, Steve Vai, Dimebag, and other guitarist that have been deemed best guitar players in the world and tell them they're just overproduced.

As for the last comment. Now I just think you're hating just to hate. Which I will no longer take you seriously.

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Yeah then I can totally see him being rude there. I agree with you. They shouldn't act like that.
I laughed like hell when you brought up the guys response.

When you want to have a good time.. don't start by being negative. It just sends the wrong message.. And maybe there are people who didn't like him that went. But that could have been Andy's chance to persuade them other wise.

But people will be people.

 

[AnarchistFish]

Now this is going to the point where I ask you.
Do you play guitar?

Yes

Let alone know how to make a song?
Do you think they're just creative with their music?

What does this even mean?

Someone came up to me and said. "LOOK AT THIS GUY SHRED! HE'S REALLY GOOD" Now.. being a guitar player myself. Shredding isn't difficult, and it could be done with 1, or two years of lessons. Playing guitar isn't hard, and most things you hear in songs aren't really that difficult to produce. Example?

Unholy confessions by Avenged Sevenfold. That rift right in the beginning some people call that difficult, and hard. But that's actually one of the best rifts to practice because it's so easy, and it learn how to slide correctly, and learn tempos correctly.


Also.. sleek gleaming guitar solos? Oh.. Somebody better call up John 5, Buckethead, Twiggy, Steve Vai, Dimebag, and other guitarist that have been deemed best guitar players in the world and tell them they're just overproduced.

As for the last comment. Now I just think you're hating just to hate. Which I will no longer take you seriously.

I don't understand what any of this is about. The production is overdone. As in the mixing and mastering. How easy it is to play is irrelevant. I don't care how technical it is.

 

[BaronFelX]

A lot of this debate seems to be centered not on "are they good?" (they aren't), but rather on "are they authentic?" (they aren't). I think that we all put some stock in authenticity, and the idea that what we love comes from a human place instead of a constructed or manufactured one.

The value of authenticity in music, though, seems to be highest in teenagers, who it seems like this band is targeting. A teenager, especially on the younger end of the spectrum, naturally seeks out new experiences to expand beyond the world that is constructed by their parents and former social groups. They want this exploration to be validated by discovering a new truth, something that proves their search has meaning. Bands like this one tap into that feeling 100% by combining validation for internal conflict in their audience with catchy melodies.

The point is that there's nothing wrong with liking it. You're supposed to. It's written that way, and the band styles itself that way. Also, OP got defensive real quick.