My opinion of the Warcraft movie as a Hardcore Warcraft fan and how I think it failed.

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the movie is dissipointingly flawed that has a poor vision and failed to properly introduce the World of Warcraft to an outsider audiance.



The LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG version:



The Warcraft movie, there are 2 camps for this, its the worse thing ever to outsiders of the franchise or the best thing ever to the insiders.

Before I go on with the review at least let me introduce the Outsider to what the Warcraft franchise is from a guy that lives and breaths Warcraft.

Warcraft is a video game franchise made from Blizzard entertainment and the World of Warcraft MMORPG is the most successful and still #1 MMORPG in the Market today beating all its competitors because it is the most accessible and polished gameplay.

Its an Epic and Colorful Fantasy World with a rich amount of lore and developed characters, some really increadible works of Fantasy (The Lich King, Old Gods and Titan lore)......while others really stupid(Med'an, Xe'ra,...the Pandas even though I liked it for what it was in the end)

But not every franchise is perfect, Star Wars and Warhammer 40k for example certainly had thier stupid moments (Jar-Jar and Matt Ward respectively) but for all its faults I still adore the lore especially when its at its best. I regularly play the MMORPG World of Warcraft today and to this day Warcraft 3 is one of the best RTS campaigns I have ever played. And Blizzard to this days makes some of the most increadble cinematics. And its because of how well done they were is the reason why people were wanting a movie.

If you want to be introduced to the lore of Wacraft at its most up to date I recommend watching the videos of the youtuber Nobble87, a very nice and humble person that almost never gets too angry even when Blizzard does something stupid to Warcraft.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Nobbel87

But if I have to say what is the lore of Wacraft at its more shortest? Here we go:

Before the universe existed, there was Light....and their was Void (Darkness/Shadow) these 2 primordial cosmic forces clashed with each other resulting in what is essentially a Big Bang creating the entire Universe called the Great Dark Beyond with millions upon millions of worlds. You may think already that is way to big and daunting to comprehend, But in this case only at least 3 Worlds actually matter in the grand scheme of the lore: Azeroth, Dreanor, and Argus.

The movie takes place and concerns the World of Azeroth which is the more important world that matters so far for the lore. And on that world alone millions of races exists: Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Trolls, Goblins, Tauren (Minotaurs) Naga (Sea Serpent People) and many more. And this is just scratching the surface. I can go on but I will stop at here. If you have anymore questions you can ask me.

So after all that would I recommend the movie? The short answer is yes and no. But after that long introduction I will begin my review of the movie and I am gonna put it in Spoilers for the purpose of space in this post. 1 is the movie's synopsis, the other is my critique of it.


Our movie begins with the introduction of the charcater of Durotan, his pregnant wife Draka, his close friend Orgim Doomhammer, and the race of Orcs on thier Homeworld of Draenor. The army of Orcs lead by the Warchief Blackhand, who is under the puppetry of the Orc Warlock named Gul'dan, have just finished creating a Portal to link thier world to the World of Azeroth to invade it. The movie is trying to frame the character of Durotan as the only good guy because the Orcs lets just say has been corrupted by an outside force through the Warlock Gul'dan who wields the malevolant power known as the Fel. The Orcs are greenskined because of the influance of the Fel and Durotan is one of the few to not accept it which is why his skin remains a tannish brown whici is the Orcs Natural color.

So the Gul'dan opens a portal by sacrificing hundreds of captured Prisoners of the World of Dreanor and using thier souls to open the portal and invade the World of Azeroth.

After that opening the next part of the movie follows the Human charcaters starting with the Main one Anduin Lothar (Travis Fimmel), A knight of the Human Kingdom of Stormwind who receives a message concering attacks/raids in the villages of Stormwind, this takes him to a Barrack where he meets the Mage/Wizard named Khadgar (Ben Schnetzer) who noticed something strange about the dead bodies of the raids which now makes him as for "The Guardian", later they meet with the King of Stormwind who asked for the blessing to go to Karazhan to meet The Guardian named Medivh (Ben Foster) to shorten what Khadgar noticed about the dead bodies was that they are filled with the Evil force called the Fel I mentioned earlier. Basically the movie splits into 2 halves which the first I will write concerns the Orcs and the other concering the The Guardian Medivh

As the movie progresses the humans are ambushed by the Orcs, though the humans managed to win it out and captured a Prisoner of a Female Orc named Garona (Paula Patton) basically she explains who the Orcs are and where they come from to the Human charcaters and she became an "ally" to the charcaters.

Durotan later on realizes that his Clan the Frostwolves, need to find a new home in Azeorth and that Gul'dan is corrupting the Orcs with the Fel and that the Fel is evil and destructive basically. So he makes contact with the Humans to form a plan. Gul'dan wants to make another Portal to connect to the one on Draenor bring the rest of the Orcish Horde Army and sacrifce the souls of captured humans in the process. Durotan meets with the human characters with Garona and they exchange their plans, Durotan will challenge and kill Gul'dan in a Mak'gora (a Warrior's Duel of Honor basically) while all the Orcs are distracted the Humans will raid the Portal camp to free their people. But in the end Gul'dan killed Durotan in the duel by sucking out his soul, his wife dies but before that she place her son in a cradel and on a river before she is killed by an Orc under Gul'dan's orders.

Now to the Guardian Medivh part: Turns out the Guardian has been corrupted by the Fel, and he was in cahoots with Gul'Dan to bring the Orcs to Azeroth. And this is where Anduin and Khadgar steps in. They find out, they went in Karazhan to find that Medivh is now consumed by the Fel and invoking an incatation to open the new Portal on Azeroth to link it to the Draenor one. Basically Khadgar stopped him with a spell that pretty much gets rid of the Fel in Medivh.

Now the climax is the King of Stormwind with Garona and the Human Army decided to assault the Orc Portal Camp now and a battle ensues, long story short Gul'dan managed to open a Portal, but Medivh now purifyed of Fel made an incantation to Re-link the Portal from Draenor to Stormwind City, allowing the Human Soldiers and Prisoniers to escape, but the King knew the battle is lost so for some reason he told Garona to kill him to somehow pacify the Orcs because if she kills him she becomes Warchief (this a change to the established lore) after that than Lothar swoops in on a Gryphon kills some Orcs and makes out with the King's body, funeral happens, the Alliance is formed with the other races of Azeroth, Garona is now Warchief, Gul'dan is active still, and Durotan's child is found by Humans, the end

Holy shit that was a long one and there is still details I did not mentioned like Blackhand. But I will now critique this movie and you may think because I am a WOW fan I will go easy on it, nope.

Let me get the good out of the way, CGI Orcs look increadible, aswell as thier acting even though I find the Voice Acting of the Games to be even better, nice visuals, nice locales, brutal and meaty action scenes, etc.

But a lot of the movie is dissipointingly flawed.

1. The pacing: Just writing the synpopsis made it come off as a mess to explain but that is the biggest problem with the movie, poor pacing and poor/shoddy world building. I mean take for example this:

After the whole scene of Orcs entering the portal in the beginning, we than go to Ironforge, the capital City of the Dwarves where we meet Lothar, than it cuts to some random Barracks where we meet Khadgar, Mage of the Kirin Tor, already we meet another faction, than it goes to a village called Goldshire and meet the King of Stormwind who is close friends with Lothar and is married to Anduin's sister, than we go to the Tower of Karazhan and are introduced to the Guardian of Tirisfal Medivh.

In those 4 sequences spliced together we are introduced to 4 complete huge things with huge Background lore on its own in quick succession with no breathing room, we don't get to see the ins and outs of Ironforge City or Stormwind City and the races that dwell there. We don't know who this Guardian is and what is his purpose, we don't know what are the rules of this world. When I saw it in the theater I was like "slow down you already showing me at least 3-4 things that have really huge backgrounds" and it really hurts the first half of the movie because of how ridiculously paced the movie is.


2. The casting of the Human charcaters: This movie may go down in history as the prime example of never cast unknown and unproven actors to any kind of movie.

The issue with the acting is that all the charcaters even the Orcs sometimes are too softspoken and un-emotive. Watching the movie I was like "Speak louder I can't hear what the fuck you guys are saying"

And the human chacraters are perticularly bad.

The actor playing Khadgar is increadibly miscast, he does not remind me of Khadgar in his youth one bit.

The King of Stormwind Llane Wrynn is dull and this is a shock coming from the actor who I know can act better than this. Heck in the games there are better acted Human King charcaters than this guy.

The Medivh actor is way too soft spoken in the sense that I can barely hear him and un-emotive.

But the central problem is that these actors.....does not ham it up. Warcraft has the most awesome hammy voice acting ever. Just look at this cinematic from the games and look at it from an acting perspective and compare it to the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG3RVCEwCPg

Now compare it to the acting of the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW4U6IZqUJI

Its just inferior all around. And I don't care if there is a difference between live action acting and voice acting. Anyway can act good if they are passionate about it whether acting or voice acting. And these actors are not living up to the Warcraft name.

3. The music.

You may think "Music how is this important" music can do wonders to a film, would Star Wars be where it is now without its steller soundtrack? Would Jaws be memorable without its main signature theme, would the Rohirrim of Lord of the Rings still be awesome without that epic violin soundtrack?

The Warcraft games is famous for its increadible and epic Orchestral Scores, its some of the best ever done.

But this movie's score is just shameful, its barely memorable and worse they don't even try to put any of the memorable music pieces from the games. Now I must make another comparison I want you to listen to this piece of music from the games, the Overture of the Expansion Pack called Catacylsm:


Now compare it to the main theme song of the movie:


It just sounds so bland and generic. Heck I think I heard this same orchestration from somewhere else, example:


The mostly poor soundtrack of the movie utterly fails at capturing the athmopshere of Warcraft.

Finally and in my opinion the reason the movie fails is because they had poor vision, the director clearly has a poor vision and making a movie to properly introduce the outsider audiance to the Warcraft franchise. One of the things I blame is trying to make the Orcs not completely evil, but the problem is you have to now balance establishing the Orcs properly while at the same time building up the humans and clearly the movie and directors were treating the Orc parts with love which baffles me considering how much screentime the humans get

All in all its a dissipointingly flawed movie for me. I was defending it because I was hoping a much better sequal comes out because the lore gets much better from this point on if they followed it faithfully for example the baby Orc at the end? He grows up to be one of the most awesome charcaters in the lore. Thrall, the Son of Durotan.

Sometimes I just think I could have made a better movie than this, I certainly have the better vision on how to start and introduce Warcraft to a outsider audiance. The only thing I can recommend is the action was great. Even though it was a very few at times.

Well thats that.

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so basically, they tried to cram too much into a movie. From the clip you linked, normally i would say Garona was not too bad, except orcs would not be that soft spoken. Thrall, maybe. Hell, Garona in the game was not that soft spoken. There would have been threats or a harsh rebuke.

It is mind boggling how the movie can be bad when Blizzard regularly produces gold with its cinematic team. Maybe it would be better as a TV series like Game of Thrones.
 

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Honestly, it's pretty straightforward as to why it failed - it was poorly scripted. It felt like they got caught in the middle of appealing to everyone who didn't have a clue what Warcraft was while also appealing to all the people who did know what Warcraft was, so there was this awkward mix of beating the audience to death with exposition while also not explaining just who X important character was. End result - people coming into the series wouldn't have a damn clue who the characters are and aren't given any reason to care, while people who know the lore come in and are throttled with lore and info-dumps they've been playing for the better part of 20 years.

Maybe if the script was tighter with less exposition and a tighter focus, it'd have been a better movie. As it stands it's a 2 hour movie that feels like both a slog and like it's too short, and ends up not appealing to anyone because of it.

Samtemdo8 said:
All in all its a dissipointingly flawed movie for me. I was defending it because I was hoping a much better sequal comes out because the lore gets much better from this point on if they followed it faithfully for example the baby Orc at the end? He grows up to be one of the most awesome charcaters in the lore. Thrall, the Son of Durotan.
Thrall? Awesome? I mean, sure, he's got the most fantastic suit of plot armour the world has ever seen, but... awesome? I dunno about that. Maybe if they stuck to his Warcraft 2/Warcraft 3 character, sure, since his power was at least more grounded then. But his World of Warcraft character quickly took 'awesome' into the realm of ridiculousness given everything he ended up doing... oh, the trials and tribulations of being the OC of the lead writer.
 

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Wrex Brogan said:
Honestly, it's pretty straightforward as to why it failed - it was poorly scripted. It felt like they got caught in the middle of appealing to everyone who didn't have a clue what Warcraft was while also appealing to all the people who did know what Warcraft was, so there was this awkward mix of beating the audience to death with exposition while also not explaining just who X important character was. End result - people coming into the series wouldn't have a damn clue who the characters are and aren't given any reason to care, while people who know the lore come in and are throttled with lore and info-dumps they've been playing for the better part of 20 years.

Maybe if the script was tighter with less exposition and a tighter focus, it'd have been a better movie. As it stands it's a 2 hour movie that feels like both a slog and like it's too short, and ends up not appealing to anyone because of it.

Samtemdo8 said:
All in all its a dissipointingly flawed movie for me. I was defending it because I was hoping a much better sequal comes out because the lore gets much better from this point on if they followed it faithfully for example the baby Orc at the end? He grows up to be one of the most awesome charcaters in the lore. Thrall, the Son of Durotan.
Thrall? Awesome? I mean, sure, he's got the most fantastic suit of plot armour the world has ever seen, but... awesome? I dunno about that. Maybe if they stuck to his Warcraft 2/Warcraft 3 character, sure, since his power was at least more grounded then. But his World of Warcraft character quickly took 'awesome' into the realm of ridiculousness given everything he ended up doing... oh, the trials and tribulations of being the OC of the lead writer.
Well Thrall right now has been more or less re-grounded again after the Catacylsm:



And in Legion relinquishes the Doomhammer to the Enhancement Shaman players.
 

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As a none-hardcore Warcraft I can tell you why it failed; The acting was atrocious, the actors looked like cosplayers, and the scenery was so green screen-y it hurt my eyes. Also the design of the orcs looked stupid, but that's mainly a personal thing. Though I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought that.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
As a none-hardcore Warcraft I can tell you why it failed; The acting was atrocious, the actors looked like cosplayers, and the scenery was so green screen-y it hurt my eyes. Also the design of the orcs looked stupid, but that's mainly a personal thing. Though I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought that.
1. Acting. I already covered that it was flawed and how it does not live up to the acting of the games.

2. I don't really think the Costumes were that Cosplay-ish. I mean the Robe-like clothes that Medivh, Khadgar, and the King looked OK and come on you complain about these costumes yet not say anything bad about any Superhero/Villain costumes?




3. Every modern special effects driven movie is Greenscreen so your arguement is worthless when many other movies, including well received ones, are guilty of thing. And I can tell its CGI anyway, that does not really take me out of the experiance.

4. Orcs are meant to look like that, and its what makes them iconic looking, they look more Orcy than the Orcs from both LOTR and the Hobbit movie I which I dislike:

 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Well Thrall right now has been more or less re-grounded again after the Catacylsm:



And in Legion relinquishes the Doomhammer to the Enhancement Shaman players.
Ah. Yes. The WoD Cinematic. Where he... cheats at Makgora by using the elements. And nobody calls him on it.

While Cataclysm was the height of his power (what with the whole 'I AM ASPECT OF EARTH! WHY? BECAUSE CHRIST METZEN DEMANDS IT' thing), MoP and WoD showed the major problem which was that there isn't any conflict with him. He Is Always Right, No Matter What, and numerous characters fall over themselves fawning at his feet to give him praise (Frostfire was notably bad about this), he never gets called out when he does fuck up and if he does then whomever did the calling out is Wrong And Bad. Not... not the character I'd want a movie to focus on, honestly.

Legion handles him better, which is shocking - mainly, he shows vulnerability, conflict, he's not the God-King of Elemental Death and Righteousness that he tends to be. It's what made him a good character from Warcraft 3 - he had to work for peace, for a place for the Horde to live, and often knocked heads with Grom and the Alliance, trying to deal with their hostility. Him dealing with Grom constantly fighting the alliance, the alliance themselves constantly attacking the Horde and the various dangers of Kalimdor while trying to hold the New Horde together and broach peace with Jaina's faction of the Alliance is waaay more interesting for a potential film than every most notable lore figure going 'Damn, you're awesome!' to him as he walks past.
 

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As someone who was a complete outsider going into this movie (who went to see it with a devoted insider) and now plays WoW and crammed a giant chunk of the lore in a very short amount of time (thanks Nobble87), it was okay....

It strikes me in the same way as a movie made from a book, the most memorable characters were Medivh, Gul'dan and Durotan, most other characters in the movie just fade from my memory. I...don't remember Khadgar being in it at all... and the guy isn't exactly easy to miss. I remember seeing Stormwind but not Ironforge.

It was pretty cool hearing afterward about Thrall and what would become of him. If I were to watch the movie a second time, now knowing more lore, I would probably get more out of it, but it's interesting to think about what particularly stuck out before I knew anything about the source material.
 

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As someone whose experience with Warcraft lore is basically limited to Hearthstone, I thought the movie was kind of trash. I don't see how so many fans say it was made for them and outsiders didn't like it because they just don't get it. I got it just fine. The plot is actually quite simple (not that that's necessarily a bad thing). I don't like that it was yet another story about evil magic corrupting people to do evil things. That kind of story works better when it's not given center stage (like in Lord of the Rings). It's boring and often robs the story of any drama IMO. I suppose it can be done well, but an example isn't really coming to mind.

As you mentioned, the acting was atrocious. When the main character's son dies, he barely acts like he has been affected. Also, the love story was perhaps the worst I've ever seen on film. It was generic in the set up and unbelievable in its development. When Medihv transports the half orc to her "loved one", my eyes nearly rolled out of my head.

To be honest, the movie felt like it was just trying to check boxes without caring about quality. I'm honestly shocked that fans seem to like it so much and that it was created by people who love the lore. It feels like a cheap, by the numbers, cash grab. Then again, maybe the problems I have with the movie are the same as those that I'd have with the games... I see people talking about Warcraft's story a lot though, so I just assumed it was a lot better than this. Do they like it simply because they're seeing the world come to life on the big screen and everything else just doesn't matter to them? I'd say raise your standards, but whatever floats your boat.

I know that if Lord of the Rings had come out this way, I would have preferred that it just stay in the books.
 

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RedDeadFred said:
I see people talking about Warcraft's story a lot though, so I just assumed it was a lot better than this. Do they like it simply because they're seeing the world come to life on the big screen and everything else just doesn't matter to them? I'd say raise your standards, but whatever floats your boat.
The game story is a lot better. The best critic quote I can describe for this movie is from Movie Bob[footnote]Yeah, I know[/footnote], who said it was like "someone reading the game manual to you... loudly" What the movie covers is the bare bones. One of the most significant characters, Thrall (the son of Durotan) is a footnote in this film.

The WoW fan I went to see it with used it as an opportunity to lecture me about the lore until I felt like my head would explode, so, at least for the fans who enjoyed it, I think the appeal is more from knowing what will happen as a result of the events in the movie, rather than the events of the movie itself.

They don't care about the story of the movie, they care about Sargeras, the Legion, If the Horde will ever have a leader as good as Thrall again, what possessed Vol'jin to make Sylvanas leader of the Horde and why the hell Gul'dan won't just die and stay dead already.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
2. I don't really think the Costumes were that Cosplay-ish. I mean the Robe-like clothes that Medivh, Khadgar, and the King looked OK and come on you complain about these costumes yet not say anything bad about any Superhero/Villain costumes?



Well. we weren't specifically talking about superhero movies. But now that we're on that subject, I don't particularly like most of the costumes in superhero movies either. But I can accept them more easily since those costumes feel representative of what they are; flashy spandex and rubber. In Warcraft what should be impressive suits of iron looked like plastic and rubber, probably because that's what the props were actually made of.

3. Every modern special effects driven movie is Greenscreen so your arguement is worthless when many other movies, including well received ones, are guilty of thing. And I can tell its CGI anyway, that does not really take me out of the experiance.
Just because every such modern movie has green screen doesn't mean some can't do a shitty job at it.

4. Orcs are meant to look like that, and its what makes them iconic looking, they look more Orcy than the Orcs from both LOTR and the Hobbit movie I which I dislike:

Like I said, this is a personal issue. In my opinion, if you design a character (that's not demonic or supernatural) you should make sure there's a practicallity to how they look. Giving them 15 inch tusks jutting out of their lower jaw and a ridiculously bulky physique kinda breaks my suspension of disbelief. It makes me question why these guys aren't drooling constantly with their mouths hanging open like that, or how they could be great warriors when simply walking around must chafe their skin like crazy. Mind you I'm only talking about the cartoonish male orcs; the female orcs looked perfectly fine. They looked strong, but nimble enough. And their tusks looked pronounced, but not stupidly so.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Samtemdo8 said:
2. I don't really think the Costumes were that Cosplay-ish. I mean the Robe-like clothes that Medivh, Khadgar, and the King looked OK and come on you complain about these costumes yet not say anything bad about any Superhero/Villain costumes?



Well. we weren't specifically talking about superhero movies. But now that we're on that subject, I don't particularly like most of the costumes in superhero movies either. But I can accept them more easily since those costumes feel representative of what they are; flashy spandex and rubber. In Warcraft what should be impressive suits of iron looked like plastic and rubber, probably because that's what the props were actually made of.

3. Every modern special effects driven movie is Greenscreen so your arguement is worthless when many other movies, including well received ones, are guilty of thing. And I can tell its CGI anyway, that does not really take me out of the experiance.
Just because every such modern movie has green screen doesn't mean some can't do a shitty job at it.

4. Orcs are meant to look like that, and its what makes them iconic looking, they look more Orcy than the Orcs from both LOTR and the Hobbit movie I which I dislike:

Like I said, this is a personal issue. In my opinion, if you design a character (that's not demonic or supernatural) you should make sure there's a practicallity to how they look. Giving them 15 inch tusks jutting out of their lower jaw and a ridiculously bulky physique kinda breaks my suspension of disbelief. It makes me question why these guys aren't drooling constantly with their mouths hanging open like that, or how they could be great warriors when simply walking around must chafe their skin like crazy. Mind you I'm only talking about the cartoonish male orcs; the female orcs looked perfectly fine. They looked strong, but nimble enough. And their tusks looked pronounced, but not stupidly so.
Regarding the costumes:

Personally I feel the Armor of the Human Solider could have been much more faithful to the games which has a more simpler design, this is how the Common Human Footman looks like in game:

 

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Casual Shinji said:
Samtemdo8 said:
2. I don't really think the Costumes were that Cosplay-ish. I mean the Robe-like clothes that Medivh, Khadgar, and the King looked OK and come on you complain about these costumes yet not say anything bad about any Superhero/Villain costumes?



Well. we weren't specifically talking about superhero movies. But now that we're on that subject, I don't particularly like most of the costumes in superhero movies either. But I can accept them more easily since those costumes feel representative of what they are; flashy spandex and rubber. In Warcraft what should be impressive suits of iron looked like plastic and rubber, probably because that's what the props were actually made of.

3. Every modern special effects driven movie is Greenscreen so your arguement is worthless when many other movies, including well received ones, are guilty of thing. And I can tell its CGI anyway, that does not really take me out of the experiance.
Just because every such modern movie has green screen doesn't mean some can't do a shitty job at it.

4. Orcs are meant to look like that, and its what makes them iconic looking, they look more Orcy than the Orcs from both LOTR and the Hobbit movie I which I dislike:

Like I said, this is a personal issue. In my opinion, if you design a character (that's not demonic or supernatural) you should make sure there's a practicallity to how they look. Giving them 15 inch tusks jutting out of their lower jaw and a ridiculously bulky physique kinda breaks my suspension of disbelief. It makes me question why these guys aren't drooling constantly with their mouths hanging open like that, or how they could be great warriors when simply walking around must chafe their skin like crazy. Mind you I'm only talking about the cartoonish male orcs; the female orcs looked perfectly fine. They looked strong, but nimble enough. And their tusks looked pronounced, but not stupidly so.
On point 3.

The special effects were directly done by ILM, the special effects house that has been here since the first Star Wars movie and has made many landmark Special Effects, including CGI ones.
 

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Ah. Yes. The WoD Cinematic. Where he... cheats at Makgora by using the elements. And nobody calls him on it.
Well, I mean, he lost the majority of his power from it. The Horde is pretty much past blind orcish "LOK'TAR! BLOOD AND THUNDER AND SHIT!", they knew Garrosh needed to go. It makes sense they'd forgive him, out of loyalty to him and pragmatism. But the elements didn't forgive it, and massively depowered him. I'm really expecting them to kill him off either near the end of Legion or the start of the next expansion.
 

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After just watching the movie on the weekend, I have to say that yes, they tried to cram too much into it. Too many characters, too many locations and too many groups being presented ended up diminishing everything in the movie.
 

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After just watching the movie on the weekend, I have to say that yes, they tried to cram too much into it. Too many characters, too many locations and too many groups being presented ended up diminishing everything in the movie.
Exactly like in the first half I was like "Slow down man I wanted to see more of Stormwind and understand theses chacraters"

I personally blame Universal for this, they hire a reletively unknown director and actors so they have more control over it.
 

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Did not want to make a new thread for this so I bumped this one to show you this piece of news, appearently Duncan Jones the director said he would do another Warcaft movie, but under certain conditions. And those conditions are a Lower Budget and less "cooks in the kitchen"

Meaning appearently the issue with the Warcraft movie was that there were too many hands in the production of the movie thus is squandered Jones' vision and potential of the movie.

http://www.pcgamer.com/duncan-jones-would-love-to-do-another-warcraft-film-but-under-the-right-conditions/

What interest me is the lower budget comment, the budget was too high and I wonder where did all that money go to? Its certainly not for the casting of the Live action character actors because who has heard of these actors that played Khadgar and Medivh and Garona?

And it concerns me because the special effects will take a massive hit, its gonna look cheap, and people thought the CGI looked fake now imagine them doing those same CGI effects but on an even cheaper budget?