My thoughts on Game of Thrones Season 7 concerning Jamie Lannister (Spoilers)

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So at the end of Season 6 concerning the Lannister side of the story, Cersei is crowned queen of Westeros, she succeeded in her plan to destroy the faith militant but costing the lives of Lancel, Tommen, Kevan Lannister, and the Tyrell family.


Because of that I truly personally believe Jamie will be the one to kill Cersei, the ending of the season where Cersei is crowned Queen and Jaime arrives his expression of this is not that of enthusiasm.

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And lets not forgot that Tommen and Kevan Lannister are dead because of her. Especially when we had scenes where Jamie interacted with them.

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And Jamie has expressed he cares for his family, so family killing family is beyond crossing the line, For instance Jamie says he will kill Tyrion for killing thier father Tywin if he sees him again, how is he gonna react when he finds out that Cersei is responsible for killing Kevan and driving Tommen to suicide?

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And mind you before all that Jamie just expressed his love and devotion to Cersei.

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Which probably will make Cersei's actions while he was gone all the more devestating.

So in the end your thoughts on this?

 

[DrownedAmmet]

I'm one of those nerds who read the books so it's hard for me to watch show Jaime when book Jaime was done so much better

But show Jaime left off at a weird spot where he is at Kings Landing now and I don't see how he doesn't kill Cersei in episode one. Maybe he'll fail and have to fight the Mountain or something, cuz I don't see them killing off Cersei that early

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm one of those nerds who read the books so it's hard for me to watch show Jaime when book Jaime was done so much better

But show Jaime left off at a weird spot where he is at Kings Landing now and I don't see how he doesn't kill Cersei in episode one. Maybe he'll fail and have to fight the Mountain or something, cuz I don't see them killing off Cersei that early

Obviously he's not gonna kill her in episode 1 season 7. Because than whats the point of crowning her queen of westeros and might aswell just let Dany walk in unopposed.

 

[Hawki]

What do I think?

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12041134/1/ (Shameless plug)

But, yes, I do believe that Jaime will kill Cersei.

 

[DrownedAmmet]

I'm one of those nerds who read the books so it's hard for me to watch show Jaime when book Jaime was done so much better

But show Jaime left off at a weird spot where he is at Kings Landing now and I don't see how he doesn't kill Cersei in episode one. Maybe he'll fail and have to fight the Mountain or something, cuz I don't see them killing off Cersei that early

Obviously he's not gonna kill her in episode 1 season 7. Because than whats the point of crowning her queen of westeros and might aswell just let Dany walk in unopposed.

But then what is Jaime gonna do? If he's gonna kill her, which seems obvious that he will, why would he wait? He's in King's Landing, he should find out quickly what Cersei did, I don't see how the show can drag it out

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Isn't this covered in the books?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Isn't this covered in the books?

Apperently the show has progressed beyond the books at this point.

Currently Jon Snow is still dead in the books.

 

[Saelune]

Isn't this covered in the books?

Didnt the show say "fuck the books, we're doing our own plot now"?

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Isn't this covered in the books?

Didnt the show say "fuck the books, we're doing our own plot now"?

No clue, I don't watch the show and I've never read the books. I've always just assumed one was an adaptation of the other and all the fan speculation was a pointless charade for those who hadn't read the books and didn't want to spoil the show for themselves.

 

[Sonmi]

Isn't this covered in the books?

Didnt the show say "fuck the books, we're doing our own plot now"?

They said that while they'll diverge from the books, most of the major plot points will stay the same.

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Also, didn't the entire script for the seventh season leak a couple of months ago?

 

[Laughing Man]

Because of that I truly personally believe Jamie will be the one to kill Cersei, the ending of the season where Cersei is crowned Queen and Jaime arrives his expression of this is not that of enthusiasm.

I think I called this in another thread that showed up on these forums sometime around the end of Season 5 start of Season 6. The reason at the time being that

1). It had become clear by that stage, that Cersei would quite literally do ANYTHING to gain or maintain power even in circumstances were it was just stupid to do the thing she was doing.
2). We had started to see Jamie taking on a more reflective look on his actions and had started to see a deeper divided between him and Cersei, although this is not as clear in the TV series as it is in the books.
3). Circle of life isn't it, Jamie having to kill the raving mad ruler of the seven kingdoms who is willing to do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to maintain their power even in the face of total and ultimate defeat and what a twist it would be that that person he's having to kill again this time happens to be his sister / lover and I guess, since he is now the last of the old Lannister line and given what a difficult burden being know as the Kingslayer has been to this point and given that he has had to just kill both his sister / lover, I mean what a shock it would be if the only option then would be to take his own life.

Honestly the Jamie / Cersei dynamic and how it was going to end became clear around the mid point of season 5, and the books only make the overall outcome even more obvious, season 6 only really helped to add fuel (in this case wild fire) to this fire.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Because of that I truly personally believe Jamie will be the one to kill Cersei, the ending of the season where Cersei is crowned Queen and Jaime arrives his expression of this is not that of enthusiasm.

I think I called this in another thread that showed up on these forums sometime around the end of Season 5 start of Season 6. The reason at the time being that

1). It had become clear by that stage, that Cersei would quite literally do ANYTHING to gain or maintain power even in circumstances were it was just stupid to do the thing she was doing.
2). We had started to see Jamie taking on a more reflective look on his actions and had started to see a deeper divided between him and Cersei, although this is not as clear in the TV series as it is in the books.
3). Circle of life isn't it, Jamie having to kill the raving mad ruler of the seven kingdoms who is willing to do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to maintain their power even in the face of total and ultimate defeat and what a twist it would be that that person he's having to kill again this time happens to be his sister / lover and I guess, since he is now the last of the old Lannister line and given what a difficult burden being know as the Kingslayer has been to this point and given that he has had to just kill both his sister / lover, I mean what a shock it would be if the only option then would be to take his own life.

Honestly the Jamie / Cersei dynamic and how it was going to end became clear around the mid point of season 5, and the books only make the overall outcome even more obvious, season 6 only really helped to add fuel (in this case wild fire) to this fire.

Personally I hope he does not commit suicide because of his act, because well there is still a resolution to be had with his brother Tyrion. I mean now you cannot hold it against Tyrion for killing Tywin since you did the samething Jamie. And Tyrion was at the same spot as Jamie for loosing is lease on life.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Fuck the show, books are all that matter.

And in the books one of three things better happen:
1) Jaime kills Cersei and becomes azor ahai
2) cleganebowl and the hound becomes azor ahai
3) Theon kills Ramsay and becomes azor ahai

If one of those 3 things doesn't happen I'm going to be pretty butthurt.

Was Jamie, Sandor, and Theon born under a Bleeding Star and amidst Salt and Smoke? And have Targaryan blood?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Was Jamie born under a Bleeding Star and amidst Salt and Smoke? And have Targaryan blood?

If Cersei burns Kings Landing he will be reborn amidst salt and smoke, underneath the bleeding star of the sept. Cersei is his Nissa-Nissa and his golden hand is Lightbringer. "The blood of the dragon" does not necessarily mean "the blood of the dragon in your viens". Now, where could the connection between the blood of the dragon and Jaime be huh? Where did he get his nickname again?

Was Sandor born under a Bleeding Star and amidst Salt and Smoke? And have Targaryan blood?

Sandor Clegane, born amidst salt and smoke when his brother burned his face to a crisp (alternatively, during the battle of Kings Landing where he flees from the fire), reborn under a bleeding star when he was saved by a septon of the true faith. The mountain/mountain zombie is his Nissa-Nissa. Blood of the dragon, no idea. Who cares? Cleganebowl ************. You better get hype.

Was Theon born under a Bleeding Star and amidst Salt and Smoke? And have Targaryan blood?

Amidst salt AND smoke as in, at the same time? Or just salt and smoke at different times suffice? If so, being baptised with SALTY seawater by his uncle. Reborn as Reek during the burning of Winterfell, theres the SMOKE. Under a bleeding star? The red comet is painting the sky while he is baptised. Ramsay is his Nissa-Nissa. Alternativally, Yara is his Nissa-Nissa and he kills her out of mercy before Stannis can make a gruesome spectacle of her execution. Blood of the dragon? Again, no idea. Jon gets rezzed only to be killed by him or some shit.

Can you see why Jon or Dany being AA would be super lame yet?

I like Jon Snow because he is one of the few good men in this grimdark world that is Westeros.

Are you saying book Jon Snow is worse than TV show Jon Snow?

 

[Sonmi]

Fuck the show, books are all that matter.

And in the books one of three things better happen:
1) Jaime kills Cersei and becomes azor ahai
2) cleganebowl and the hound becomes azor ahai
3) Theon kills Ramsay and becomes azor ahai

If one of those 3 things doesn't happen I'm going to be pretty butthurt.

Fuck that noise, Victarion is Azor Ahai.

The wife he beat to death was his Nissa Nissa, his smoky chary arm, Lightbringer.

His infection almost killed him, but Moqorro brought him back with whatever ritual he used, amidst salt (the sea) and smoke (fire).

 

[DaCosta]

Fuck the show, books are all that matter.

And in the books one of three things better happen:
1) Jaime kills Cersei and becomes azor ahai
2) cleganebowl and the hound becomes azor ahai
3) Theon kills Ramsay and becomes azor ahai

If one of those 3 things doesn't happen I'm going to be pretty butthurt.

Was Jamie, Sandor, and Theon born under a Bleeding Star and amidst Salt and Smoke? And have Targaryan blood?

First of all, you're mixing prophecies. Yes, the bleeding star and salt and smoke tends to be used interchangeably, but the Targaryen part has only ever been mentioned in association with the prince that was promised, and not Azor Ahai. A wood witch once told Jaehaerys II that the prince that was promised would be born of the line of his son and daughter if they married, even assuming that her prophecy is correct, the PTWP might very well not be Azor Ahai, or the Last Hero for that matter. There is no certainty that Targaryen blood is needed to make Azor Ahai. Of course I'm also leaving out the very real possibility that prophecy as a whole is bullshit.

That being said, yeah, you could say that Sandor or Jaime were born when the red star bleeds and amids salt and smoke.

The Azor Ahai prophecy goes like this:

"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt."

The red star bleeding could very well be Oberyn's death at the hands of The Mountain in A Storm of Swords, since his sigil is a red sun. In the same book around that time Saltpans was being burned by Rorge wearing The Hound's helmet, and Sandor was left to die by Arya and either nursed back to health or flat out resurrected by the Elder Brother. Jamie losing his hand was the point where his character turned around, started drifting away from Cersei and gained a new lease in life, it was a metaphorical rebirth, his wound had to be cauterized with fire and the perpretators had to salt the hand to preserve it to hang it around his neck. Either that or the moment in the bath with Brienne where he revealed why he killed Aerys and he ends up passing out from the heat and all the steam, followed by a dinner with Roose Bolton who decides to set him free, dinner and the traditional guest right being often referred in Westeros as the sharing of bread and salt.

Loads of people fit these prophecies, and that is by design.