Need some WOW related stuff explaining

[Thebabyboom]

Right i know this is probably the hardest thing to ask but explain Deathwing to me and his role in wow lore also can you defeat him in wow in like a quest yet or is he still flying over and shit, also Arthus and his dethroning by that guy Bolvar whats goin on there and why is it important that the lich king has to exist if anyone can help cheers in advanced cos wikis are useless

 

[VladG]

For the Arthas story you have to play Warcraft 3. He's one of the main characters and certainly one of the plot drivers. It's too complicated to explain here.

For Deathwing you have to read the extended universe novels (mostly War of the Ancients and Day/Night of the Dragon). You also learn a lot by doing quests in wow.

And no, you can't kill him as part of a quest. He will be kill-able as part of an endgame raid to be launched with the 4.3 patch. In the meantime, he's still flying around.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Wikis are useless? Dude, wowwiki.com. Go. Now. Everything is explained there.

But, to explain briefly (though I have to say I'm shocked someone is asking about Warcraft lore) Deathwing used to be a good Dragon, Neltharian. He eventually turned on the others and became known as Deathwing. He ended up being entangled in a lot of big events in the world's history, but was basically defeated during the time of Warcraft 2. He went into hiding and became far more powerful. Then he decided to fuck shit up. That, though, is the bare-bones basic of it. Seriously, look at his wowwiki page.

As for why a Lich King is needed, if no one is around to control the undead horde, they'll just run loose and cause mass mayhem. A chaotic army of powerful undead is actually more dangerous than a controlled one. That's why the dude takes over.

... I think. It's never really 100% clear, but that's heavily implied.

 

[WarBossTilt]

deathwing was a good guy like the rest of the dragon leaders till some old gods got to whispering into his ear and making him all evil and shit.

and there has to be a lich king cause otherwise the undead would just go nuts and do there own shit. which is generally killing things so yeah why not keep most of them on a shitty ice Continent right?

sums it up enuf?

 

[Appleshampoo]

Deathwing will be available to kill in the next patch.

*cracks knuckles*

There must always be a Lich king to command the dead, without control they'll pretty much just go on a rampage and cause a holy fuck ton of slaughter and damage to everything. There's millions of undead out there, if there's no one to sit there and be like 'Hey, dead guy, just stand there ok?' then like a tidal wave they'll crash over everything.

Deathwing was one of the Dragon aspects, who were gifted powers by the Titans to help safe guard the world from any who would want to fuck it up. Unfortuntatly he was corrupted by the old gods and went a little mad. After nearly being killed in a fight a while ago he crashed into Deepholme and recovered. In intense pain and with more whispers from the old gods he just snapped and now wants to destroy everything simply because he's bat shit insane.

Hope that clears stuff up for you!

 

[Appleshampoo]

Wikis are useless? Dude, wowwiki.com. Go. Now. Everything is explained there.

But, to explain briefly (though I have to say I'm shocked someone is asking about Warcraft lore) Deathwing used to be a good Dragon, Neltharian. He eventually turned on the others and became known as Deathwing. He ended up being entangled in a lot of big events in the world's history, but was basically defeated during the time of Warcraft 2. He went into hiding and became far more powerful. Then he decided to fuck shit up. That, though, is the bare-bones basic of it. Seriously, look at his wowwiki page.

As for why a Lich King is needed, if no one is around to control the undead horde, they'll just run loose and cause mass mayhem. A chaotic army of powerful undead is actually more dangerous than a controlled one. That's why the dude takes over.

... I think. It's never really 100% clear, but that's heavily implied.

It is stated in the death cinematic of Arthas - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAIrj_Vqdfc at 1:02 they talk about it.

 

[Amnestic]

When the world was young, the Titans (read: Gods of the Warcraft universe) imbued five dragons with powers to act as guardians of Azeroth.
-Ysera The Dreamer, the Green dragon in charge of Nature and the Emerald Dream.
-Malygos the Spellweaver, Blue dragon in charge of magic. He was recently made deceased in Wrath of the Lich King and is being replaced by Richard A. Knaak's retardation Kalecgos.
-Alexstrasza the Lifebinder, Red dragon in charge of...well, Life. She plays a pretty prominent part against Deathwing.
-Nozdormu the Timeless, Bronze dragon in charge of Time. He's fated to become leader of the Infinite Dragonflight who you've already seen in the Caverns of Time. In the upcoming End of Time instance, you will fight Nozdormu while also fighting alongside Nozdormu (LOL TIME TRAVEL).
-Neltharion the Earthwarder, now called Deathwing. Originally the Black dragon in charge of guarding the Earth, corruption seeped into Neltharion's mind (likely due to the Old God's influence) and eventually drove him batshit insane. Following the events of Warcraft 2, Deathwing went into hiding and has recently come back to bring death upon the world, naming himself the Aspect of Death.

As for whether you kill him, not yet. In patch 4.3 (the one which is right around the corner) Deathwing will be killable as part of the new raid instance which is supposedly going to stretch over multiple locales and encounters.

As for Arthas, when he was dethroned, King Terenas Menethil's (Arthas' Dad) spirit said that there must always be a Lich King. Originally Tirion Fordring - Highlord of the Argent Dawn/Crusade/Ashen Verdict - was going to take his place but the burned semi-dead body of Bolvar, kept alive by the flames of Alexstrasza, chose to take his place.

Personally I think it's bullshit that there always needs to be a Lich King when both Sylvanas' and Darion Mograine's ability to exert control over mindless undead has been well established, but whatever. I guess if it means more questing alongside the Banshee Queen I'm fine with it.

 

[miketehmage]

I never understood the whole "there must be a lich king" thing. The demon (can't remember his name) created ner zul (the original lich king) to destroy Azeroth. So he had control over the undead. He then merged with arthas, creating arthas the lich king. But if killing the LK makes the undead more destructive, then why did the demon create him in the first place? Or why didn't arthas just let them off their leash?

Deathwing was originally the black dragon aspect of earth. He fought in the first battle for Azeroth against the demons( who were interested in the well of eternity(now the maelstrom) but he was injured and driven insane, becoming deathwing.)

 

[WanderingFool]

I never understood the whole "there must be a lich king" thing. The demon (can't remember his name) created ner zul (the original lich king) to destroy Azeroth. So he had control over the undead. He then merged with arthas, creating arthas the lich king. But if killing the LK makes the undead more destructive, then why did the demon create him in the first place? Or why didn't arthas just let them off their leash?

Deathwing was originally the black dragon aspect of earth. He fought in the first battle for Azeroth against the demons( who were interested in the well of eternity(now the maelstrom) but he was injured and driven insane, becoming deathwing.)

Im not sure about the stuff prior to Arthas, but Arthas was basically controlled by power, and was using the undead to gain this power. So just releasing them wouldnt make sense. Also, I believe the demon created the first lich king so to control and raise the army of the undead. While the undead could be destructive without the leadership, they could be even more dangerous with focus from a leader, thus why there was a lich king. Or... the undead being more dangerous without a lich king could be a type of Xantos Gambit the demon pulled, so if heros manage to defeat the lich king, they still lose... cause all demons are dicks...

 

[Appleshampoo]

I never understood the whole "there must be a lich king" thing. The demon (can't remember his name) created ner zul (the original lich king) to destroy Azeroth. So he had control over the undead. He then merged with arthas, creating arthas the lich king. But if killing the LK makes the undead more destructive, then why did the demon create him in the first place? Or why didn't arthas just let them off their leash?

Deathwing was originally the black dragon aspect of earth. He fought in the first battle for Azeroth against the demons( who were interested in the well of eternity(now the maelstrom) but he was injured and driven insane, becoming deathwing.)

The scourge were originally meant to weaken Azeroth so the Burning legion could take it easier. However, the first lich king had a mind of it's own and called Arthas to it. Arthas merged with it and for a while there was two beings sharing the same body, but eventually Arthas managed to 'kill' the first Lich king and took over completely thus Arthas being the only Lich king.

And as for why he didn't just let them run around I believe it's because Arthas didn't want to destroy the entire world, he just wanted to control and be the ruler of Azeroth and the dead. Letting the scourge of their leash would have destroyed it all, and it's no fun being the king of an empty world of grass.

 

[Appleshampoo]

I never understood the whole "there must be a lich king" thing. The demon (can't remember his name) created ner zul (the original lich king) to destroy Azeroth. So he had control over the undead. He then merged with arthas, creating arthas the lich king. But if killing the LK makes the undead more destructive, then why did the demon create him in the first place? Or why didn't arthas just let them off their leash?

Ok, I'll try to explain the supidity before my brain hurts.

Apperently, even though Arthas was mindcontrolled, he won a psycic battle against Ner'zhul, somehow. Why Ner'zhul would engage him in a batlle of wills, or how Arthas could even defeat him, is unexplained. So when Arthas, who is a good guy, is in control, he holds the scourge back from destroying everyone, but this is where it starts to get really fucking stupid.

Even though it's stated that he is holding back, the Scourge attacks Orgrimmar when World-Shaman and Garrosh are battling, for some reason. Then we also get to see more weird shit, because apperently The battle consisted of 3 wills, Ner'Zhul, Arthas, and Arthas good side, Methias Lehner (Oh! An anagram! Blizzard are clevur!), nevermind the fact that Arthas was originally a good person, he is now evil, and was evil before he was corruped. So Arthas has banished the good side of himself and Ner'Zhul. But then we can't get why he is holding back, but then he isn't holding back, because the scourge attacked Orgrimmar, and AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

Ok, so now when evil Arthas is in charge, he is trying to create 10 captains by letting them kill almost all of the scourge (what the hell?), so when we finally come to the final battle, the ultimate stupidity comes.

Tirion (an unitresting Uther-clone) and the players are engaging Lich King in a fight. Instead of just using the goblins nukes, but whatever. Lich King encases Tirion in ice, somehow, and then he let's to players wail on him for an hour or so. Then he just says "Fuck it!" and kills them, and then proceeds to raise them...

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! Why couldn't he kill them from the start? Let's continue, Tirion somehow, yeah, somehow, jumps out of the ice. Then he jumps on the Lich King, one-hits fucking Frostmourne (!) and this somehow kills the Lich King...

Yeah, after a game, a WC3 expansion and a WoW expansion, that was really a dignified end to him...Seriously, Tirion just one-hits the most powerful sword in existance, oh, but this is explained

Apperently, some Guy named Mograine is speaking to some other guys in a "Caverns-of-Time" instance. Let me recall what happens; Mograine explaisn that he has found an orb ten years ago (!), it's an orb of ultimate darkness! Then a pirest starts light-zapping the orb for some reason (unexplained), and the orb apperently consumes the light. Then everyone starts zaaping it and it turns out to be an orb of light, pretty good timing since light is super-effective against undead, which can insavde any moment. Yes, retconn from WC3, in which the Scourge had to just clever tactics to destroy Lordaeron. Mograine forges it into a Sword light.

A lot of shit happens, and it ends up with Tirion having the sword. Blaeh, I don't even care anymore.

So the Lich King dies (somehow, never explained) and Arthas's fathers Ghost says "There must always be a Lich King. He explains it with "Otherwise Undead are mindless berserkers who will kill everyone and a leader will keep them at bay", nevermind the fact that we have killed 90 % of the Undead, this brings the question; Why didn't Arthas just invade the fucking world?

No, seriosuly, if the undead are mindless and without a leader, and their numbers have been reduced A LOT, but they can still conquer the qorld, WHY DIDN'T HE?!

Ok, let's go back, a guy named Bolvar takes the crown. But since there are Scourge left in the world, attacking people (take Western PLaguelands for instance) he's not doing a very good job, and there's the risk that he mihgt be corrupted, which give the undead an even bigger advantage.

Sorry, I just needed to vent a little...

Haha, a lot of rage there.

But really just talking about the end of your post 90% of the scourge aren't dead. Remember, for every living person that died in combat with the scourge they got re-animated and bought into the machine that is the undead. Simply put they can kill and kill and kill but it'd take many years and everyone involved has to survive 100% of the fight all the way through. Even one death means the scourge still stands. So it's just not possible.

As for Bolvar he stated that no one should know he is the Lich king now to protect the people of Azeroth. If people believe that the Lich king is dead and gone, then the scourge that remain will just be mindless zombies that need to be killed, instead of a giant army of zombies that could wipe out everything.

It's basically just a way of making people believe they are safe and fighting mindless things, when they are not. If Bolvar just made all the scourge jump into a giant pit people would question why, and thus come to the conclusion that the lich king isn't dead and would go bat shit trying to find him and cause a crap load of trouble.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

The Lich King had to exist because the demons needed a way to control the undead. Obviously, there was a break between those two, in WC3, which is where all the relating lore can be found. It's a pretty good game anyways, go play it!

 

[Appleshampoo]

Haha, a lot of rage there.

But really just talking about the end of your post 90% of the scourge aren't dead. Remember, for every living person that died in combat with the scourge they got re-animated and bought into the machine that is the undead. Simply put they can kill and kill and kill but it'd take many years and everyone involved has to survive 100% of the fight all the way through. Even one death means the scourge still stands. So it's just not possible.

As for Bolvar he stated that no one should know he is the Lich king now to protect the people of Azeroth. If people believe that the Lich king is dead and gone, then the scourge that remain will just be mindless zombies that need to be killed, instead of a giant army of zombies that could wipe out everything.

It's basically just a way of making people believe they are safe and fighting mindless things, when they are not. If Bolvar just made all the scourge jump into a giant pit people would question why, and thus come to the conclusion that the lich king isn't dead and would go bat shit trying to find him and cause a crap load of trouble.

For games to be a respected medium of telling a story or forming art, Blizzard is the main enemy that must be defeated. Since instead of making games a respectable medium, they act around like a clown, competing over who can put the stupidest shit in a videogame. The one who created Goblin-Hitler is in the lead, but the others are not far behind. But yes, I tend to freak out more than usual with Blizzard.

Well, we killed all the important scourge, seeming that the Lich King probably called everyone to him when attackers were 50 yards from his giant fortress of doom. I doubt that there are billions of scourge just living in a cave somewhere, just waiting to come out.

I if I recall, that Terenas's ghost explains that the undead could pose a threat, which is just bollocks.

And I doubt people would freak out if they heard that all Scourge jumped in a volcano, sure there'd by rumors a new Lich King, but hardly any proof of it. And since he apperently made all the scourge jump in a volcano, he obviously is friendly.

But I think we're thinking deeper into this than Blizzard ever did.

Aye, thinking way too much into it. I think the real reason for most of this stuff just comes down to the fact that if the lich king DID do the obvious things then it'd be a pretty boring game to play. I.E no game.

Much like Deathwing has already proven he can crack the world, why not finish the job? Because there'd be no game left. It all comes down to that tired old 'It'd be boring the other way' kinda thing.

Just like if a giant eagle flew Frodo to the mountain to drop the one ring in. It'd be crappy.

 

[Appleshampoo]

Aye, thinking way too much into it. I think the real reason for most of this stuff just comes down to the fact that if the lich king DID do the obvious things then it'd be a pretty boring game to play. I.E no game.

Much like Deathwing has already proven he can crack the world, why not finish the job? Because there'd be no game left. It all comes down to that tired old 'It'd be boring the other way' kinda thing.

Just like if a giant eagle flew Frodo to the mountain to drop the one ring in. It'd be crappy.

The problem with this is that you shouldn't write yourself into a corner. Like in every actionmovie ever made, where the villain just talks instead of shotting the hero. If you're a talented writer, you ask yourself and people why those actions don't make no sence.

There are a number of ways that you can avoid writing yourself into a corner like this, but since Blizzard seems to have a fond of stupid, crazy, superpowerful world-destroying villains, this will keep on going.

Of course, it'd be far better to write a reason for everything but how many people can do that? With all those who work at Blizzard eventually someone will create something that you just can't write your way out of no matter how hard you try.

I get annoyed at this in a lot of books and movies I read, the character just does the complete opposite of what any sane person would do and it drives me nuts. But unless I get off my lazy ass and write something of my own, I'll just have to live with it.

But I would much rather prefer better reasons for things other than 'I can't think of anything else so this is just the way it is'.

Bond villains are a good example of the big speech thing, although some of them do it because they are boasting about having caught the worlds greatest spy. Others just do it because they are hired guns who are idiots.