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Sometimes you just can no longer feel sorry for characters when they bring misfortune upon themselves.

I was watching a movie recently. I don't know what it was called, but it took place on the moon and it starred Christian Slater. The premise is the moon has organisms that come back to life when exposed to human-favourable atmospheric conditions (of course) and the team which is stranded there decides to investigate.

So of course the woman gets infected, tells no one and grows a baby (ripped straight from Prometheus visual aesthetics and all) and is put in quarantine. Problem with putting her in quarantine is the crew seems to not have the slightest fucking clue what "quarantine" means. They CONSTANTLY go into the room wearing NOTHING to protect them from a biological contaminant they know is on board every time she gets upset. Around the third time they did this, I left the room and growled "this is Darwinism in action and I hope they all die horribly."

Under what circumstances have you lost sympathy and/or empathy for characters because they're far too stupid to warrant it?

EDIT: Due to a common misfortune with a commentator in this thread, I felt that I had to find the movie that spurred this article. If you're really bloody curious to understand why I got so upset, here it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranded_(2013_film)
 

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Well, while on the subject of Prometheus... the characters in that were pretty fucking stupid.

Beginning with the imbecile geologist who gets lost in a cave even though he has a fully rendered 3D map of the cavern he's exploring (which is circular by the way, not exactly hard to navigate) as well as a video connection with the outside world...



...as well as his biologist buddy, who apparently can't tell a dangerous species from an innocuous one, even if it looks like a fucking snake...



... and ending with this piece of beauty.

 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Well, while on the subject of Prometheus... the characters in that were pretty fucking stupid.

Beginning with the imbecile geologist who gets lost in a cave even though he has a fully rendered 3D map of the cavern he's exploring (which is circular by the way, not exactly hard to navigate) as well as a video connection with the outside world...



...as well as his biologist buddy, who apparently can't tell a dangerous species from an innocuous one, even if it looks like a fucking snake...



... and ending with this piece of beauty.

Everything about that comic is just gold, I wonder why I stopped reading it....time to catch up.
 

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Several episodes of several sitcoms, off the top of my head most notably Eric from That 70's Show and Frasier from...Frasier.

There are SEVERAL episodes of these shows where a single ounce of common sense telling them "stop talking right now." or "No, that's a BAD idea..." would do wonders for them...but no...they're dumb because the story has to continue.
 

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Strain42 said:
Several episodes of several sitcoms, off the top of my head most notably Eric from That 70's Show and Frasier from...Frasier.

There are SEVERAL episodes of these shows where a single ounce of common sense telling them "stop talking right now." or "No, that's a BAD idea..." would do wonders for them...but no...they're dumb because the story has to continue.
Well to be fair to Eric, he is high like 70% of the time, so of course his common sense superpower isn't working right.

On topic: Any movie in which the phrase "don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes" or any similar phrase is uttered, baring films that take place before the invention of rifling and detachable magazines. Why? Because if you're being attacked by a horde of enemies you should shoot them BEFORE THEY'RE FUCKING ON TOP OF YOU. That's what guns were made for, to shoot people who are far away from you before they're able to get within punching distance. I give a pass to period media because muskets and the like had terrible accuracy and reload times, so it was prudent to get closer to enemies to make sure your shots counted, but in the modern era doing that is ridiculously stupid.
 

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Any time a group of goons/soldiers/dumb teenagers decide to split up to find some kind of powerful monster/alien/superhero/supervillain with powers and/or abilities far beyond their own. What on God's green earth are you hoping to accomplish?!

They always get picked off one by one, leaving the remaining survivors increasingly rattled and jumpy. You'd think they'd realize after the first or second one and order everyone to regroup, but no. They let the thing they're hunting dictate the pace of the engagement until you're left with one hysterical redshirt whimpering and cowering at shadows before meeting their inevitable fate. I realize scenes like this are often used to raise tension, but most of the time I can't get past the sheer idiocy of the plan.
 

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Strain42 said:
There are SEVERAL episodes of these shows where a single ounce of common sense telling them "stop talking right now." or "No, that's a BAD idea..." would do wonders for them...but no...they're dumb because the story has to continue.
this is the reason some comedies are difficult to watch

....funny thing though, a long time ago we were watching the old British Sitcom "only fools and hoarses" which if I recall often centered around of the main characters trying some sort of scheme to get money

the episode in question they found a watch that was apparently worth a lot of money

I couldn't watch it...because I knew...just KNEW something would go wrong, someone would screw it up or they would just have bad luck and they'd lost it all

except they didn't...because it was the very last episode...they actually got the money
 

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PainInTheAssInternet said:
Sometimes you just can no longer feel sorry for characters when they bring misfortune upon themselves.

I was watching a movie recently. I don't know what it was called, but it took place on the moon and it starred Christian Slater. The premise is the moon has organisms that come back to life when exposed to human-favourable atmospheric conditions (of course) and the team which is stranded there decides to investigate.

So of course the woman gets infected, tells no one and grows a baby (ripped straight from Prometheus visual aesthetics and all) and is put in quarantine. Problem with putting her in quarantine is the crew seems to not have the slightest fucking clue what "quarantine" means. They CONSTANTLY go into the room wearing NOTHING to protect them from a biological contaminant they know is on board every time she gets upset. Around the third time they did this, I left the room and growled "this is Darwinism in action and I hope they all die horribly."

Under what circumstances have you lost sympathy and/or empathy for characters because they're far too stupid to warrant it?
Prometheus.

Dear god, Prometheus.

That fucking movie. If you added every single character's (with the possible exception of the ship's bridge crew) IQ up you probably wouldn't reach 100 total. Went to see it with several friends; I missed the part from the biologist dying to the bit where the Engineer-guy starts snapping necks because I just had to get up and leave for a bit before my brain started dribbling out of my ears.
 

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Well just because I have it on the brain since I convinced a friend to read it recently Rendell and co in Locke and Key.

Major spoilers for clockworks, the ending and a big ass rant under the tag

It's not the fact that Rendell wanted to open the black door and others went along with it. You shouldn't be playing around with soul parasite demons but metal you can use to craft your own magic key? It still not wise but that is a big prize and since you're safe so long as you don't look thru the doorway there are ways to make this risk minimal. I would assume his ancestor got more metal this way. However the way they went about was just so stupid. For a start they should have called it off the instant Duncan found about it instead of "Oh no, its ok. The 9 year old promised he wouldn't follow us down here after I told him it was a dangerous and exciting big kid thing" and dose the "where are you going?" "X dangerous place isn't for kids so you can't come" mistake ever actually happen? why would you specify where you are going when he doesn't know? Then for some reason they go with his set up.



HEY LET"S STAND DIRECTLY IN FRONT Of THE DOOR! It's not stated anywhere but I'm going to assume they aren't being completely stupid about this and you need someone standing in front of the door for the demons to come thru (I'm not sure they do but I'm being generous because if you don't this is even worse) however even if that's true this still a moronic way to go about it. I doubt Dodge would be to stop Rendell with one hand if he went for the door anyway. He is more likely to get pulled around and thru the door as well. If you need someone as bait why not blindfold the person you're using as bait and have them held in place either by tying them up or getting the shadows to hold them so they can't accidentally glance at the door and even if they do can't get to it? Why the hell would you give the person standing in front of the door who most likely to be hypnotised or possessed the shadow crown (which grants control over the shadow constructs) instead of giving it to someone not at risk so they can order the shadows to grab people and close the door if they hear something go wrong? The shadows can act semi independently so you could probably summon some and order them to do that automatically. If Rendell had gotten possessed (which seems to be an instant thing) he could have use the crown against them and they would all be screwed. Why are the others sitting off to the side uselessly rather than being look outs to make sure no one else comes down?
Naturally the little kid didn't stay out of it and looked through the door. Dodge goes to grab him and ends up glancing at the door as well in the process. He manages to get to the door and stick his hand thru it before Rendell wakes the hell up (with how much dialogue there was it not like there was no time to react) and gets the shadows (finally! you're actually using them for something) to grab him and close the door.
They weren't stupid enough to take Dodges word for it that he was fine and figured if he was possessed he would go for the key so make a trap for him although they did let him get all the way up to a sleeping Rendell and put an axe against his throat before grabbing him even though they really didn't need to let him get that close since him showing up with axe was evidence enough.
They don't want to kill him but they can't cure him so they opt to take all his memoires of them, the keys and the door out of his head and let him loose while they look for a better solution. They realise he still very dangerous like that so agree to keep keys on themselves for self defence (except Ellie who is his GF and still in a bit of denial). Well that's fine and dandy for them but what about everyone else who isn't aware Dodge is now a demon possessed psychopath? what if he went home and knifed his parents or flatmates or whatever? Not to mention he was before that point Rendells best mate, Ellie's boyfriend and they're all in the drama club together so I don't how they expected nobody to think it's weird that he now doesn't know who they are and mention this to him...which they do so he follows Ellie (that he was able to do this means they weren't keeping an eye on him properly either) and finds where they where they are keeping his memories. His memories were being held in the well-house guarded by the echo of Rendells dead mother who attempts to get Dodge to back off with threats. Ellie freaks out and pushes her out of the well-house which causes her to disappear (because echoes are banished if they leave thru the well-house door) and leaving her alone with him, argh at least she realised she screwed up when she did it.
I don't know what's stupider, the fact that Dodge gender bent himself to try and distract Cho with tits (although I think he just thought it would be funny) or that it worked and resulted in Cho's death. Death by unwanted boner!

At the end of the series Tyler shows he's inherited Rendells stupidity when he's uses the well-house to bring back an echo of Dodge. Like opening the black door I don't think that is a terrible idea in itself. It's been established that there is an afterlife and you remain possessed after death. Since he never manage to use the alpha key on Dodge to remove the demon before he got killed again and Dodge isn't a bad guy (just a stupid one) I can see why he would want to bring him back to free him. The problem is he dose it as stupidly as possible. He tells no one he is doing it and takes every key into the well-house with him on a key chain including the omega key (which opens the black door and is what Dodge has been after the entire series) and the anywhere key (which allow you turn a door into a portal to another door. Echoes can use it to circumvent the well-house door rule and this is how Dodge came back to cause trouble the first time around!) but he uses non of them for defence. He could have (once again) used the shadows to grab Dodge and hold him place, or maybe the music box to control him and he could have done this from outside the well-house. He could have at the very least used the Hercules key to make himself much stronger and more durable. If he really needed to fight Dodge without the aid of any keys for pride or drama or some shit he should have left them with Lindsey. Tyler is bigger than Dodge and demon possession doesn't give him any powers (he can sorta levitate due to be an echo but that seems to be it) but Dodge isn't a weakling. He is capable of snapping a persons neck, he won't hold back at all and he doesn't feel pain. It would have been almost poetic if he smashed Tylers head in and continued his plans.
 

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For me, it's when the monster advances menacingly on a highly trained soldier who just looks at it and screams until it eats them.

Now, in the UNIT era Doctor Who stories, whichever monsters were attacking that story were almost always immune to bullets, because the British soldiers would always try shooting them like sensible people, and if they killed them all off the story would end. Whenever the UNIT soldiers would run into a monster that bullets worked on, it wouldn't got so well for the monster. And when bullets didn't work, they'd try using increasingly more powerful weapons until they found something that did or the Doctor found another solution, whichever happened first.

Because any reasonable person is going to do that. If you're not a trained soldier, you might empty your weapon on full auto, spray bullets everywhere, but you'd be at least trying to kill the monster.
 

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Aurion said:
PainInTheAssInternet said:
Sometimes you just can no longer feel sorry for characters when they bring misfortune upon themselves.

I was watching a movie recently. I don't know what it was called, but it took place on the moon and it starred Christian Slater. The premise is the moon has organisms that come back to life when exposed to human-favourable atmospheric conditions (of course) and the team which is stranded there decides to investigate.

So of course the woman gets infected, tells no one and grows a baby (ripped straight from Prometheus visual aesthetics and all) and is put in quarantine. Problem with putting her in quarantine is the crew seems to not have the slightest fucking clue what "quarantine" means. They CONSTANTLY go into the room wearing NOTHING to protect them from a biological contaminant they know is on board every time she gets upset. Around the third time they did this, I left the room and growled "this is Darwinism in action and I hope they all die horribly."

Under what circumstances have you lost sympathy and/or empathy for characters because they're far too stupid to warrant it?
Prometheus.

Dear god, Prometheus.

That fucking movie. If you added every single character's (with the possible exception of the ship's bridge crew) IQ up you probably wouldn't reach 100 total. Went to see it with several friends; I missed the part from the biologist dying to the bit where the Engineer-guy starts snapping necks because I just had to get up and leave for a bit before my brain started dribbling out of my ears.
The only sensible thing to do for the crew of Prometheus would be to only send the drones and the android in at first.
Ok, David had an agenda.
But that way they at least didn't die because of stupidity.
(wouldn't make a good movie though)


Strain42 said:
Several episodes of several sitcoms, off the top of my head most notably Eric from That 70's Show and Frasier from...Frasier.

There are SEVERAL episodes of these shows where a single ounce of common sense telling them "stop talking right now." or "No, that's a BAD idea..." would do wonders for them...but no...they're dumb because the story has to continue.
Sitcom's can be split up in 2 types:
1: about dumb people doing what they consider normal stuff (married with children for example)
2: about intelligent people doing dumb stuff (like Friends)

Now that i think about it, maybe this is why i like married more than Friend.

In general sitcom's aren't the pinnacle of common sense, nor they try to be.


But in series and movies alike we need a little stupidity to push the plot along.
Or to drag it out, you don't want them to catch the killer 5 minutes in, even though the crime scene has enough evidence for a life sentence.

so we have to put up with it for the most time, and hope it's not to cringe worthy.
 

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DementedSheep said:
Well just because I have it on the brain since I convinced a friend to read it recently Rendell and co in Locke and Key.

Major spoilers for clockworks, the ending and a big ass rant under the tag
whoa...thats a lot

for me it was

[spoiler/]having a fucking afters party in the fucking cave...

and I'm kind of pissed off Bode gets plot death imunity because he's a kid buit british freind and girl in the tux had to die...[/spoiler]
 

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Vault101 said:
DementedSheep said:
Well just because I have it on the brain since I convinced a friend to read it recently Rendell and co in Locke and Key.

Major spoilers for clockworks, the ending and a big ass rant under the tag
whoa...thats a lot

for me it was

[spoiler/]having a fucking afters party in the fucking cave...

and I'm kind of pissed off Bode gets plot death imunity because he's a kid buit british freind and girl in the tux had to die...[/spoiler]
Well, I did say it was a big ass rant. Now if only I churn out that many words this quickly when its an assignment.

Yeah you would think they would want to avoid that cave after everything that happens there.
Sucks that Lindsey friends died. I did like them.
The thing that annoyed me about Bode was that he was bought back in way that seemed unnecessary convoluted. Tyler had figured out that Dodge used the soul door on him but he was sedated and they cremated his little brother before he woke up? really? And now there is a random sparrow in spirit form stuck at their house for god knows how long. Maybe forever.
 

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Strain42 said:
Several episodes of several sitcoms, off the top of my head most notably Eric from That 70's Show and Frasier from...Frasier.

There are SEVERAL episodes of these shows where a single ounce of common sense telling them "stop talking right now." or "No, that's a BAD idea..." would do wonders for them...but no...they're dumb because the story has to continue.
That's a form of cringe-humor that I never understood. While some people are of the opinion that comedy is only funny if someone gets hurt/miserable (Doug Walker in particular did a number of filibusters on this), I always find "comedy" where people are doing stupid, illogical things or get hurt in improbable ways to be enamel-grindingly irritating, whether is is a comedy or just comic-relief in a more serious work.
 

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...as well as his biologist buddy, who apparently can't tell a dangerous species from an innocuous one, even if it looks like a fucking snake...
This only looks worse because they cut out half of the fucking movie.

The Biologist guy is supposed to have found a harmless smaller identically coloured worm like alien bug earlier. So the reason he drops his guard and examines the face-hugger snake is because he simply thinks it's a grown-up version of the harmless worms he found earlier. Plus he's on a ego boost from already being the first human to find an alien animal which makes him some what more daring when then face-hugger snake appears than he might have been otherwise.
 

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thaluikhain said:
For me, it's when the monster advances menacingly on a highly trained soldier who just looks at it and screams until it eats them.

Now, in the UNIT era Doctor Who stories, whichever monsters were attacking that story were almost always immune to bullets, because the British soldiers would always try shooting them like sensible people, and if they killed them all off the story would end. Whenever the UNIT soldiers would run into a monster that bullets worked on, it wouldn't got so well for the monster. And when bullets didn't work, they'd try using increasingly more powerful weapons until they found something that did or the Doctor found another solution, whichever happened first.

Because any reasonable person is going to do that. If you're not a trained soldier, you might empty your weapon on full auto, spray bullets everywhere, but you'd be at least trying to kill the monster.
The best part is when you compare UNIT to soldiers in moden movies. When UNIT found that bullets did not work, they would stop using bullets and use other stuff. Now look at Man of Steel. the army guys found that bullets and missiles did not work on the kryptonians so of cause they keeps shooting them anyway. Hell one guy pulls out a knife for god's sake.

The Incrediable Hulk was even worse. Always shooting the Hulk despite the fact that they have seen many, many, many times that is dosen't work!
 

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thaluikhain said:
For me, it's when the monster advances menacingly on a highly trained soldier who just looks at it and screams until it eats them.
This one reminds me of the Pupa anime. A unit of highly trained soldiers go in to capture a dangerous flesh eating monster. Only they apparently never discussed how they were going to capture the monster because when they found it they stood and stared blankly while it walked over and ripped one of the soldiers in half. The best part is when the soldier standing right next to the guy that got ripped in half say "Yuri? Are you okay?"

I don't think a single bullet was fired and the monster remained very not captured.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
thaluikhain said:
For me, it's when the monster advances menacingly on a highly trained soldier who just looks at it and screams until it eats them.

Now, in the UNIT era Doctor Who stories, whichever monsters were attacking that story were almost always immune to bullets, because the British soldiers would always try shooting them like sensible people, and if they killed them all off the story would end. Whenever the UNIT soldiers would run into a monster that bullets worked on, it wouldn't got so well for the monster. And when bullets didn't work, they'd try using increasingly more powerful weapons until they found something that did or the Doctor found another solution, whichever happened first.

Because any reasonable person is going to do that. If you're not a trained soldier, you might empty your weapon on full auto, spray bullets everywhere, but you'd be at least trying to kill the monster.
The best part is when you compare UNIT to soldiers in moden movies. When UNIT found that bullets did not work, they would stop using bullets and use other stuff. Now look at Man of Steel. the army guys found that bullets and missiles did not work on the kryptonians so of cause they keeps shooting them anyway. Hell one guy pulls out a knife for god's sake.

The Incrediable Hulk was even worse. Always shooting the Hulk despite the fact that they have seen many, many, many times that is dosen't work!
Well, if a hammer is the only tool you know how to use.
guess what you are going to use to fix the lose screw in the coffee table?