Nostalgia Critic's review of The Room taken down by Wiseau Films

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TheEnglishman

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Title is self explanatory, NC did a review, the production company claimed it breached Copy Right rules and took it down. NC claims it's covered under Fair Use Laws of Copyright laws.

Fair Use Copy Right rules for anyone who cares:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

The NC has responded with this video:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/26252-the-tommy-wiseau-show

Personally considering Wiseau allows clips of the film to be put up on YouTube without fuss, this seems like a case of Wiseau just not wanting to be critisised, which is kind of douchey.

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I actually saw that video today. It was strange that he wasn't allowed to post a video of The Room. It seems that money was involved in some way, where NC had to pay the person to use these images. I guess it explains why I never saw a new video on Wednesday. Which is kinda sad. I always look forward to NC's videos, and Noah Antwilers videos too ^~^!
 

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Wow lol, that was a pretty douchebag move by Wiseau. It's such a shame, I thought that video was hilarious. Wonder what the new one is like though...
 

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Shame. I really liked that review. Hopefully it'll be up again soon. It also means there is no new NC review up today :(
 

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PurpleSky said:
On youtube? NC doesn't upload there in a long time.
No no. It was taken down from TGWTG, which is kind of annoying considering the whole point of creating TGWTG was to avoid this situation.

Though who knows, if anybody did want to see the review of the room, than perhaps that site may possible happen to possibly by some chance happen to maybe possibly have that video. Of course I wouldn't actually know myself.
 

Internet Kraken

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I'm glad I watched this movie with my brother a month back. Otherwise I wouldn't get any of these clips mocking Wiseau's ridiculous acting.

I guess this explains why there wasn't a new NC this week. You'd think by now Wiseau would have realized that he is going to be mocked no matter what he does. In fact, I thought he was trying to convince people that he made the movie stupid on purpose as some sort of parody film.
 

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Huh, It was a good review, plus It gave Lupa some nice publicity on the site, I only started watching her stuff after, too bad I missed her review. Anyway this might just be fun to watch, Wisseua will be taken down embarassingly I hope.
 

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TheEnglishman said:
PurpleSky said:
On youtube? NC doesn't upload there in a long time.
No no. It was taken down from TGWTG, which is kind of annoying considering the whole point of creating TGWTG was to avoid this situation.

Though who knows, if anybody did want to see the review of the room, than perhaps that site may possible happen to possibly by some chance happen to maybe possibly have that video. Of course I wouldn't actually know myself.
Oh sorry it wasn't very clear to me.In that case,screw that guy.These reviews are great publicity, people would later go watch the movies/shows just for kicks to laugh.
 

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TheEnglishman said:
PurpleSky said:
On youtube? NC doesn't upload there in a long time.
No no. It was taken down from TGWTG, which is kind of annoying considering the whole point of creating TGWTG was to avoid this situation.

Though who knows, if anybody did want to see the review of the room, than perhaps that site may possible happen to possibly by some chance happen to maybe possibly have that video. Of course I wouldn't actually know myself.
It's on Youtube, not by TGWTG however, still pretty good quality if you missed it though. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocFumueZq0Y&feature=related]
 

TheEnglishman

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PurpleSky said:
TheEnglishman said:
PurpleSky said:
On youtube? NC doesn't upload there in a long time.
No no. It was taken down from TGWTG, which is kind of annoying considering the whole point of creating TGWTG was to avoid this situation.

Though who knows, if anybody did want to see the review of the room, than perhaps that site may possible happen to possibly by some chance happen to maybe possibly have that video. Of course I wouldn't actually know myself.
Oh sorry it wasn't very clear to me.In that case,screw that guy.These reviews are great publicity, people would later go watch the movies/shows just for kicks to laugh.
No problem. Heck, I watched Steel afterwards because the NC reviewed it.
 

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Well, I've just come from the TGWTG forums. And I can tell you one thing, and one thing only:

The fans are not taking it well. Most of us have sworn off Wiseau films as a result (myself included-- and I was actually contemplating watching The Room after I saw the NC's review), and someone even started a group on Facebook thanks to it. (You can find it here: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=140041456013970&ref=search ) A lot of us are already sending a bunch of e-mails to Tommy Wiseau/John. (Yes, I put the slash there because it's painfully obvious by this point that John and Mr. Wiseau are the same person.) One person even got a reply. The reply from Wiseau is as follows:

Well, the issue is not what a person is like to say about "The Room" negative or positive the issue is that "The Room" was temper. We are not review any critics review or tell them what to do however you can't just copy in this case some clips from "The Room" and paste or alter the original material it's just pure MISLEADING.

Why they or he did not contact us and ask us for usage of the clips; we would be happy to provide the best res of it as well as with an instruction.

How you will fill if someone will temper your original material?

Thank you for your E-Mail.
Aside from the fact that it's the most incomprehensible thing I've ever read in my life (seriously, it makes My Immortal look like it was written by Charles Dickens), it's the most ridiculous defense of himself I have ever heard. How the hell is using clips of a movie in the way the NC used it misleading? It's called a parody! Jeez!

Anyway, I ended up writing an open letter to him that I posted on the TGWTG forums and DeviantArt in addition to sending it directly to Mr. Wiseau's e-mail. Here's my letter in its entirety:

To Tommy Wiseau,

I am writing this letter in response to a copyright claim against a fellow internet review named the Nostalgia Critic, real name Doug Walker. If my sources are correct, you (or someone named "John", although I'll get to that issue later) have taken down his review of your film The Room, claiming copyright infringement for unauthorized use of footage.

I would understand this course of action if Mr. Walker earned money for this tenure. I would understand if he worked for a major publication and did not seek out your approval.

However, your poor grasp of [American] copyright laws astounds me. Mr. Walker's review of your movie uses unauthorized footage, yes, but the thing is he is not earning a profit from it. This is an independent film critic, mainly parodizing the movies he reviews and offering an opinion on it. Nothing more; the reviews don't generate any kind of direct profit. Indirect profit? Perhaps, but that is generated from the hits that the Nostalgia Critic's show has produced since 2008 and the purchased ad-space that comes as a result of that. My point is, he is not making profit off of your movie.

If he was making profit from your movie, he was making profit from everybody else in the film industry. Let's put it this way; if your views of copyright infringement were correct, then Arnold Schwarzenegger, Joel Schumacher, Rob Reiner, Peter Jackson, John Travolta, Roland Emmerich, Don Bluth, Christopher Walken, Uwe Boll, Lou Scheimer, Ted Turner, and Mackauley Caulkin should all have sued Doug Walker by now. That they haven't done what you've done shows that they understand copyright better than you do.

Neither is he damaging the image of your movie. Is it a negative review? Yes. Does it make fun of your [ridiculously inept] acting? Yes. Does it make fun of how [dis]organized your movie is? Yes. But ultimately he recommended that the viewers watch the movie for themselves, thus promoting your movie to those that haven't seen it.

I was among those considering seeing your movie after the Nostalgia Critic's review. I was going to pay actual money to see your movie on my own so I could see it for myself. Even after his review went down, I still considered maybe even renting it.

After I found out the reason it was taken down? You'll be lucky if I ever see your smug, pretentious, and very ugly face again without me wanting to punch it.

Your taking down of his review demonstrates a poor conception of copyright law, but I've already covered that. To me, it also shows that you have a poor conception of what your 'image' is. Have you forgotten that the only reason The Room hasn't been forgotten by audiences is because of how ridiculously bad it is? Have you also forgotten that you yourself went through great pains to promote your movie when you first made it? If more people knew about this movie, then more people surely would have gone to see it.

But no. By taking down Doug Walker's review of The Room, you have shown that you are insecure.

I keep on saying that 'you' took down the review; if my sources are correct, then the one who took it down was a man named 'John'. If it really was a man named 'John', I would consider his employment, maybe give it to someone else who understands copyright better than he does.

But I know better than that.

You're not fooling anyone, Mr. Wiseau; by this point, it's fairly obvious that "John" is really you. This brings up another point entirely; the review of The Room was negative, which is almost impending given your horrible acting "skills". The fact that you took it down destroys you're already almost non-existent integrity. You speak about The Room in interviews as if it was Citizen Kane. Is it the Citizen Kane of bad movies? Certainly. But it's not Citizen Kane in the sense that you are thinking of.

And your taking down Mr. Walker's review of The Room shows that you do are unable to take negative criticism well. This is not about copyright; this is about you not liking someone else's point of view and not wanting to hear it. You know who does stuff like that? Immature teens or minimum wage workers on fanfiction websites with mental problems who flame people to draw attention to the shit they like to call 'the greatest fanfiction you've ever read'. Professional producers (like you, I hope) do not do something like that as it demonstrates a great amount of immaturity on their part. Hell, not even Uwe Boll does the things you have done; yes, he's a bad film maker, yes he doesn't like it when you say it to his face, but even he doesn't take down video reviews that have only bad things to say about his reviews.

And that is why you will never see a single penny of my money in your wallet. There is absolutely nothing I loathe more than a man who thinks he is the greatest thing that happened since sliced bread and is willing to go to any lengths to take down any body of speech that disagrees that he can take down without getting major backlash. You think you will be able to cover this just because it's on the internet? You will ultimately lose more precisely because it is the internet; word spreads very fast in this place. You have done much more damage to your image than you can possibly hope to repair, and you have incurred the wrath of an entire group of fans that enjoyed Mr. Walker's review of your movie and considered seeing it for themselves.

Oh, and because of this I have sworn off ever seeing The House That Drips Blood On Alex. Ditto for any movie you ever make after that.

-Herr Wozzeck
For those that want to send Mr. Wiseau emails, you can find him at theroom@theroommovie.com
 

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This much attention can get Anon. involved...
And the scorn of Anon is a dangerous and powerful force.

If that happens, I'm just going to pity Wiseau.
 

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I count myself lucky to have seen it then. The original review, not the film. Dear god, not the film. The Room has some awful acting in it. It's worse than that of a children's TV presenter, especially Wiseau's acting. It has no emotion in it at all!

But yeah, taking the review down is a massive dick move by Wiseau. It shows that he can't take negative criticism very well, if at all, and it marks him as a pretty pathetic individual if he scours the internet looking for reviews of his film made seven years ago.

Besides, it's not like by covering up negative responses to his film will convince people it's any good. Anyone who watches it (poor souls) will see how bad it is! The only reason people will watch it is to see how NOT to make a film.

And yeah, NC's review gave the film much more publicity than it had before. I'd never heard of it, but now I know of it, and have considered watching it for both humour factor, and to see how to not make movies, proving NC's argument.

Tommy Wiseau, you are a monsterous fool.

And now for something completely different: What are the chances of Wiseau's employee "John" closing down this thread for the negative comments about Wiseau?

EDIT: Wait, wait, wait. He owns a company called "Wiseau Films" and he hasn't made an actual film since 2004?! And THE ROOM won an award?!
 

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Wisseau has officially been added to my boycott list; if he's actually professional he should take criticism in stride, not throw a grade-school hissy fit.
 

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NC`s response
A sketch
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/26252-the-tommy-wiseau-show
 

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TheEnglishman said:
PurpleSky said:
On youtube? NC doesn't upload there in a long time.
No no. It was taken down from TGWTG, which is kind of annoying considering the whole point of creating TGWTG was to avoid this situation.

Though who knows, if anybody did want to see the review of the room, than perhaps that site may possible happen to possibly by some chance happen to maybe possibly have that video. Of course I wouldn't actually know myself.
The videos are still hosted on a hosting site (blip TV), not directly on TGWTG. The copyright claim goes there, they automatically remove the content. What happens next (should be) that the uploader files a fair use claim (a counter-notice under the DMCA) with the hoster, the video goes back up, and then the copyright holder has to decide within two weeks whether to take the issue to court and prove that the video violates copyright or not. Most people never bother with the fair use claim though.