One Love Manchester, the most important modern concert in the UK?

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So yesterday a concert was held in Manchester, 13 days after a bomb killed 22 people and injured many more at an Ariana Grande concert, including many children/young teens/parents picking up their kids. In response, Ariana organised a concert for the victims, featuring lots of guests.

It was amazing. I have never been so emotional, so proud, watching a concert. Maybe it's because I wasn;t born when the first live aid was performed and only saw snippets of live 8, but wow. The feeling of unity from the crowd, the footage of policemen and security dancing with the kids, Ariana performing with a school choir... And that performance of "Somewhere over the rainbow" brings a tear to my eye.

I think the most important thing is that it shows that Britain is not cowed by terrorism, that we won;t be divided by hate from any side. Are there problems? Of course. But it honestly gave me hope, and that's something I think the UK needs now.

What are your thoughts on the concert?

Some of the key performances/moments (for me anyway)

P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.

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It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
 

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http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
 

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Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
 

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It was a nice thing to do, though I wonder where they money is going. I'm not suspicious or anything, I'm just wondering what sort of charity they're doing it for.
 

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FateBinds said:
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
The attacks are means to ends. If those ends aren't eventuating, they aren't winning.
 

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FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
seriously ? what have you against gay people? did one bedazzle your kitten or something?

as for your question. no they arent winning when people stand up to terrorism and are defiant in the face of it
 

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Thaluikhain said:
FateBinds said:
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
The attacks are means to ends. If those ends aren't eventuating, they aren't winning.
You do realise, their only goal is to kill people, right? ISIS themselves have said time and time again that they're not out for any political goals. They just want to exterminate us.

And you're saying that them killing us, isn't achieving that?

pookie101 said:
FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
seriously ? what have you against gay people? did one murder your kitten or something?

as for your question. no they arent winning when people stand up to terrorism and are defiant in the face of it
I don't recall mentioning my opinion on gay people at all, if you must know though, being a woman in Orlando, they don't really affect me much, so I don't really care. But, I don't think child's themeparks are a place to talk about having sex, whatever your orientation is.

Also, a rabbit can be defiant in face of a hawk, it doesn't really change the outcome much.
 

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FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.
I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.
 

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I don't know how I feel about it. I actually live a 7 minute walk from where the terrorist attack happened so it felt quite real to me. I absolutely love live music, but the love manchester concert seemed like someone was trying to smooth things over and make everything seem normal after all those children had died. It felt like a celebration rather than standing in solidarity the way everyone was acting. I'm not sure how I feel about it or if it was appropriate.

Whenever things like this happen, it's all feels a bit contrived, like the government is trying to drive specific emotions in people so they don't panic and society's cogs can keep on turning. I'm not saying there's any other choice but to carry on as normal or anything - but you do notice people acting strangely, so it doesn't feel quite normal. Just a thought.
 

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FateBinds said:
I don't recall mentioning my opinion on gay people at all, if you must know though, being a woman in Orlando, they don't really affect me much, so I don't really care. But, I don't think child's themeparks are a place to talk about having sex, whatever your orientation is.
You saw a gay person act inappropriately (assuming the incident itself is not made up, which is more good faith than this deserves), and then came to make generalised comments about the demographic as a whole.

Your attitude is rather self-evident. Or, at least, your refusal to adopt even basic critical thinking is.
 

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Silvanus said:
FateBinds said:
I don't recall mentioning my opinion on gay people at all, if you must know though, being a woman in Orlando, they don't really affect me much, so I don't really care. But, I don't think child's themeparks are a place to talk about having sex, whatever your orientation is.
You saw a gay person act inappropriately (assuming the incident itself is not made up, which is more good faith than this deserves), and then came to make generalised comments about the demographic as a whole.

Your attitude is rather self-evident. Or, at least, your refusal to adopt even basic critical thinking is.
When did I say this reflects all gay people?
 

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FateBinds said:
Bob_McMillan said:
FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.
I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.
It may not be their "real" goal to spread terror, but it's the only goal they will ever be able to accomplish, and I'm pretty sure deep dowm, somewhere in their brains where reason still exists, they know that too. A single terrorist organization taking on a country much less the whole world is mathematically impossible. Why else would they claim responsibility for every single violent incident that happens? Hell, they claimed that the casino robbery here was their doing, and now we know it most definitely was not. If they thought it would fool people they would claim responsibility for an earthquake.

Besides, who gives a fuck what they think. At most, things such as these concerts deny them the satisfaction of seeing a nation "reeling" (like the media is trying to spin it). Everyone knows these things won't change a damn thing about ISIS. But it brings people together, uniting everyone to show that you don't have to be scared and that life can go on as normal. This won't defeat ISIS, in fact it most likely will encourage more attacks, but at least some people can have a good time for a few hours after a week of sadness and grieving.
 

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A concert of terrible musicians is a concert of terrible musicians. Good cause or no.
 

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FateBinds said:
Bob_McMillan said:
FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.
I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.
Fear causes restlessness among the population and loss of confidence on their own government. This creates exploitable fissures in the system that the terrorists can take advantage of, for more damaging attacks.

Besides, what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?
 

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FateBinds said:
When did I say this reflects all gay people?
You didn't; instead, you made generalised comments about what "gay people" were doing in the wake of the attack.
 

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Silvanus said:
FateBinds said:
When did I say this reflects all gay people?
You didn't; instead, you made generalised comments about what "gay people" were doing in the wake of the attack.
I don't seem many gay people wanting to actually act to stop the belief causing these attacks, do you?

CaitSeith said:
FateBinds said:
Bob_McMillan said:
FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.
I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.
Fear causes restlessness among the population and loss of confidence on their own government. This creates exploitable fissures in the system that the terrorists can take advantage of, for more damaging attacks.

Besides, what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?
Are you suggesting people shouldn't be restless and distrustful of governments that don't act to stop these attacks from happening? Any government that willingly allows this belief into their borders is at least partly to blame. The question as to why it's been allowed to exist when it represents a threat to us isn't one that should go unanswered.

She could use her platform to spread any message she wanted. A message of "We won't do anything, but, we're united against you, just like we were before you attacked us, and before you attacked that place, and that place, and that other place, and the place before that, and the place before that, and before that..."

Has this event increased people's "Unity" against Islamic attacks? We were not united after Paris? After Germany? After Orlando?



Bob_McMillan said:
FateBinds said:
Bob_McMillan said:
FateBinds said:
Thaluikhain said:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

rosac said:
P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.
She's American, so she can't get one.

FateBinds said:
It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.
Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.
So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?
They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.
I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.
It may not be their "real" goal to spread terror, but it's the only goal they will ever be able to accomplish, and I'm pretty sure deep dowm, somewhere in their brains where reason still exists, they know that too. A single terrorist organization taking on a country much less the whole world is mathematically impossible. Why else would they claim responsibility for every single violent incident that happens? Hell, they claimed that the casino robbery here was their doing, and now we know it most definitely was not. If they thought it would fool people they would claim responsibility for an earthquake.

Besides, who gives a fuck what they think. At most, things such as these concerts deny them the satisfaction of seeing a nation "reeling" (like the media is trying to spin it). Everyone knows these things won't change a damn thing about ISIS. But it brings people together, uniting everyone to show that you don't have to be scared and that life can go on as normal. This won't defeat ISIS, in fact it most likely will encourage more attacks, but at least some people can have a good time for a few hours after a week of sadness and grieving.
Just because they "Can't realistically achieve" their goals doesn't mean we should do nothing and just allow ourselves to be killed. We should fight tooth and nail against this ideology, they don't want to talk. They don't want to debate. They want blood, and given all our diplomatic options have run, I don't believe we should now just give up and accept the death of a "Small amount" of people.
 

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I don't seem many gay people wanting to actually act to stop the belief causing these attacks, do you?
Uhrm, that depends on what "acting to stop the belief causing these attacks" actually involves. You haven't been very specific. If I were to guess, I'd say you're probably going to limit it to acting in the way you think appropriate.

A secondary question would be why on earth you believe that since you don't see it happening, it therefore isn't happening.
 

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FateBinds said:
I don't seem many gay people wanting to actually act to stop the belief causing these attacks, do you?
Uhrm, that depends on what "acting to stop the belief causing these attacks" actually involves. If I were to guess, I'd say you're probably going to limit it to acting in the way you think appropriate.

A secondary question would be why on earth you believe that since you don't see it happening, it therefore can't be happening.
Well, let's go with "Proven to work" then.

Has holding hands, wearing red shirts and claiming this "We weren't united after the past 50 terror attacks, but, this time we are!" stopped terror attacks?

I live in Orlando, I see plenty, thank you.