Only a 9.3/10 - Fanboys! Also: 100% scores?

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Woodsey

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I can't believe how many times I've seen this sort of comment on the comments section on gaming sites.

Sites that review all games on all platforms are often accused of biased towards a particular console because they rate games higher. This may be the case for some individual reviewers, but I think people are taking things a little too seriously when they think entire gaming sites are corrupted by MS fanboys or whatever.

Recently on a review of Uncharted 2 the game was given 9.3/10 to which someone commented that the game 'looked like it should get a 9.7' to which it was then speculated the reviewer was biased. In what way exactly? It's a very high score. VERY.

I have been a reader of PC Gamer (in the UK) and they have never, NEVER given a game higher than 96%, and games don't make it in to the 90's all that often. The same goes for the US version (although I believe they gave a 98% once). They never receive any whiny complaints. No one ever says they think a game should have gotten 3% more. For the mathematically illiterate, 9.3 = 93%, so when people call for a game to be rated 9.7 instead, they're asking for a 4% difference.

4%. In my books, that doesn't make someone a fanboy. Like at all. And yet there are huge debates on scores about what people that have never played the game think it should get.

Yeah OK, if you'd of played the game and someone had given it a 6 and you thought it deserved a 9, go ahead and DEBATE.

If you haven't played the game, and the difference is minuscule and totally irrelevant, then shut up.

On a side note, does anyone else agree that 100% and 10/10 scores don't exist? No game is perfect, so don't score it so.
 

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If they give a high score they are accused of being fanboys/on the take. If they give a low score they are accused of being fanboys/haters. The clear solution is not to have scores attached to reviews.
 
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Woodsey said:
I have been a reader of PC Gamer (in the UK)
You sir have made me happy.

I must say I agree that no game should ever receive a 100% or something to that effect, due to, as you said, the fact that there is no such thing as the perfect game. Instead we must judge what comes close to perfect.

However, I can't believe that this reviewer was called biased, even though that 9.3 score is synonymous with "Everyone should try this game out". However, that is why I never EVER listen to reviews written by amateurs (I do not trust Amazon reviews etc.).
 

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Souplex said:
If they give a high score they are accused of being fanboys/on the take. If they give a low score they are accused of being fanboys/haters. The clear solution is not to have scores attached to reviews.
This pretty much sums it up for me.

And also, gaming mags, when you review a game, do not admit to being fanboys. Just a hint. You've just basically saying your going to give it a high review, no matter what.

Oh, and 10/10 do actually exist. In OXM, they gave it to Bioshock, PGR4 and GTA IV.
 

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This is why I beleive i would be best freinds with addam sesler from x play. We both agree the gsming comunity would be so much more civilized if we got rid of the scores system. It just leads to fighting.
 

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Woodsey said:
I have been a reader of PC Gamer (in the UK)
You sir have made me happy.

I must say I agree that no game should ever receive a 100% or something to that effect, due to, as you said, the fact that there is no such thing as the perfect game. Instead we must judge what comes close to perfect.

However, I can't believe that this reviewer was called biased, even though that 9.3 score is synonymous with "Everyone should try this game out". However, that is why I never EVER listen to reviews written by amateurs (I do not trust Amazon reviews etc.).
I meant he was called biased for the 360, because he gave Uncharted 2 a 'low' (IT'S 9.3!) score.

And it was on Gametrailers, sorry. Thought I'd mentioned that.

I agree with what most have put, scores aren't needed.

Having said that, I like them in PC Gamer because it always seems to be right (for me at least) and like I said, they've never said a game is perfect.
 

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I would prefer a simple system that says "Buy, Rent, or Avoid". We really don't need anything more than that. However, some people like to see a numerical value, because they seem more understandable. I don't mind scores, but I don't like to flaunt scores as some kind of evidence that your game sucks.
 

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Seriously absurd. I find the notion that one or even multiple people, can decide with such accuracy, how much someone is going to like something to be kind of stupid.

Xplay is right you know, out of a 5 star system you get an almost unanimous agreement on scores. I mean honestly, who decides whether it gets a 90 or a 93? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

A personal opinion can vary up to about 2 or 3 points out of 10!
 

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i hate it when people say that just because a game comes out on what they see as an "inferior" system that the game cant possible score as high as a game on there "godly" system
Ex. a game on the wii scoreing as high as a ps3 game
 

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Oh, and 10/10 do actually exist. In OXM, they gave it to Bioshock, PGR4 and GTA IV.
And yet none of those games are perfect. Sorry, unless I've written it wrong I think you've mis-read. I put (or meant to put) that they shouldn't/can't exist, not that they haven't been given out before.
 

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sasquatch99 said:
Souplex said:
If they give a high score they are accused of being fanboys/on the take. If they give a low score they are accused of being fanboys/haters. The clear solution is not to have scores attached to reviews.
This pretty much sums it up for me.

And also, gaming mags, when you review a game, do not admit to being fanboys. Just a hint. You've just basically saying your going to give it a high review, no matter what.

Oh, and 10/10 do actually exist. In OXM, they gave it to Bioshock, PGR4 and GTA IV.
OXM is a very biased magazine, considering it's just for the Xbox crowd, Bioshock and PGR4 both being MS exclusives(Bioshock atleast when it was reviewed), and GTAIV was a 7.5 at best.

I have found Game Informer very biased in giving most games that will sell really well higher than normal scores.
 

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Woodsey said:
sasquatch99 said:
Oh, and 10/10 do actually exist. In OXM, they gave it to Bioshock, PGR4 and GTA IV.
And yet none of those games are perfect. Sorry, unless I've written it wrong I think you've mis-read. I put (or meant to put) that they shouldn't/can't exist, not that they haven't been given out before.
I probably misread...
Ah well...I shall facepalm.
 

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This is why i go by the Pass, Rent, and Buy rating system when i make my own reveiws, no one can get mad at your for saying its a good game go buy it, or vice versa. I also say IN MY OPINION.
 

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Woodsey said:
On a side note, does anyone else agree that 100% and 10/10 scores don't exist? No game is perfect, so don't score it so.
Well, I think if you have scores, be they percentages or marks out of 10, the top score has to be there. I have never actually seen a game get a 100%, though I know Edge Magazine have a given a few games 10/10, though such a score is of course not indicative of a game being completely perfect, perhaps merely that it's flaws are so small they are barely worth registering as a whole. As long as such a score is back up by reasoning for why it received said score, it's fine by me. You're not going to find out whetehr you should invest in a game based solely on a percentage scoring or a mark out of 10.

After all, as was said, no game is perfect. Even Super Mario Galaxy. Can anyone remember which game site had a video in which they gushed about how Super Mario Galaxy had no flaws they could speak of and was in fact the perfect game. I've never actually played said game, but I still call that a bogus claim, as nobody can develop a perfect game, not even the "mighty" Nintendo.
 

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4%??? Are you serious? Someone made a big issue about a 4% difference? Unbelievable. I say, who's the fanboy, 'cause it sure as hell ain't the reviewer. 4%, does he realize how mathematically insignificant that is?

As to your other question, yes I agree completely. There is no such thing as a perfect game. Every game, no matter how great, always has SOMETHING that can be improved upon. So no perfect scores cannot exist, and anyone who gives perfect scores are either blind or payed off to ignore the imperfections. ...or both.
 

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Just furthers my argument (and many others') that scores are bad in reviews; they add artificial precision and a false impression of objectivity to what is a fairly imprecise and subjective process. I'm not even certain I can go with Pass/Rent/Buy either; it doesn't reflect differences in tastes. I don't think even the most glowing review of a Pokemon or Magic game would get me to pick one up, for instance... they're just not my thing.

I'm a bigger fan of reviews that say something like, "if you're a fan of (x) then (y) will interest you" or some such. Or even, "this game will only appeal to die-hard fans of (z), and even some of the will be disappointed by (list of flaws)." The number of titles that deserve a blanket "must buy" or "avoid at all costs" is actually fairly small these days.

-- Steve