Yet another person who does know the differences between communism and socialism. Also the fact that Obama does not want to socialize all of America, just the Heath Care Industry. The ignorance is so think you could cut it with a butter knife.sneakypenguin said:
Lol I speak tongue in cheek so to speak with comrade mocking his leadership rather than referring to him as a communist I suppose overlord would be a better term to indicate my disdain for him. In my view socialism is a greater evil than communism (at least communism is a harmless dead utopian idea) socialism is very much alive unfortunately for those of us who view the individuals rights above the collective. So hence my hatred of any advancement(and those that are in position to advance it) along a socialist path.axia777 said:
You missed the most egregious part there boyo, what he and his Red State ilk have cleverly done is intrisically attach the Laissez Faire economic attitude to our Democratic Republic form of government. And indeed, this goes back a long way, most of the founding fathers after all were business men with a huge financial stake in the absence of taxes originating from the crown. Capitalism may be engrained in American culture, but its not tied to our government in any concrete way.axia777 said:
Like I said, he does want to socialize all of American. He still believes in the capitalist system of the economy. He just believes, as do many other Americans, that the Health Care system in out nation should be not be a business. The health and well being of humans should not have a stock value involved in it at any point at all, ever.sneakypenguin said:
Calling Obama "Red State" just makes you sound paranoid. So what is your point? Obama does want to get rid of our capitalistic system of our economy. He just want to disconnect the Health Care system from the blood sucking corporations that run it. Like I said above, the well being of humans should not be a business. The Health Care system should not have a stock value attached to it. Heath Care should be an intrinsic right of all citizens of our nation. Just like Freedom of Speech.sp86 said:
We could argue back and forth about him his policies his advisors and whatnot. we have a socialized retirement (and healthcare for said retirees) we have socialized education, we spend the most in the world on welfare. I just think the expansion of government is bad enough even if socialization of an industry isn't the ultimate goal. But to each their own (opinion)axia777 said:
Actually, I miscounted according to wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots]. There have actually been 14 presidents who have been the subject of an assassination attempt. So that raises the percentage from 25 to 32.orannis62 said:
It is a right though. Just not free. I'd rather keep our #1(in responsiveness) healthcare system. Then spend billions in taxpayer money to fund a socialist or semisocialist system. Plus even if your not insured hospitals and drug companies work with you. A lady in my church pays 20 bucks a month on her hip replacement, hospitals will write things off as charity cases they will put you on payment plans, there are free clinics, those without insurance have options. I just don't think taking my money should be one of those.axia777 said:
Huh. Live and learn. Although please tell me that you aren't referring to the Shoe Incident with W, I don't think that counts. Was there a different one I haven't heard of?paypuh said:
All of the options you listed are useless in the face of a real health crisis. In fact, health care bills are the number one reason Americans file for bankruptcy. We have just over 50 million people with no health care in a nation with a population of 304,059,724 as of July, 2008. You are woefully uninformed it appears. America is in a crisis. And it is only going to get worse. So stay greedy. And ignore the situation as the our Health Care system fall apart around us.sneakypenguin said:
Those figure don't account for 20+ million illegal aliens. Those than don't have it cause they don't want/need it. I work at target part time and I have a killer plan. Most people just don't wanna sacrifice pleasures or take care of themselves to fund their health. Granted there are a few that are genuinely out of luck and charity usually pays or someone writes it off.axia777 said:
Stories like this make me sad; I'm not the most religious person in the world but I have a strong faith. Its these token crazies that cause people to form conclusions such as this. I don't like blanket statements against any group, and I certainly don't like blanket statements made about a group I'm part of.flare09 said:
