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Sybban

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*EDIT TO CLARIFY* This is in response to the numerous articles of gaming CEOs crying about piracy. I am not speaking about regular employees just trying to do their job. I also do not believe they are 100% percent responsible, but have played an important role. Comments on terrorism or other forms of witch hunting will not be accepted as intelligent thought in this thread*/EDIT*

Get off it.

I'm so sick of seeing articles of multi millionaires crying their little eyes out over pirates.

-YOU-, gaming CEO, created pirates. You're selfishness and ridiculous sense of fair business have started this.


I currently live in Kenya, but I have been to many other poor countries. We got a PS3 at the house and I wanted to play fallout 3. Soooo I went to like the only game store in Kenya and asked the smelly man at the counter for a copy. I did not ask the price and merrily went on my way to purchase the game. He ran my Visa card and said, "Thank you sir, that will be 10,200 schillings". My jaw dropped to the floor, I began yelling at the man for his supposed idiocy and that no fool in their right mind would pay such a price. (10200 kenyan schilling is like close to 140 bucks)

"Sir, you are mistaken, this is how much it costs everywhere in Africa"

"You're mad, there is no way they think people are that stupid"

"Sir, one thing has nothing to do with another. To recieve these games we are heavily taxed since we do not buy these items in massive bulk, it is not just Kenya, it is the rest of Africa and many many other countries worldwide"


I went back to the house to share my experience. The stinky gentlemen at the counter was correct. Simliar events to took place for my roommates in Thailand, Bratislava, and Bolivia. Upon looking further into it, almost everyone on this program runs into this.


People don't pirate games in poor countries because they are criminals and want to make a quick buck, it's because it's too fucking expensive to do it any other way. It is the ONLY way to sell games in these countries.


Piracy is becoming bigger and bigger because worldwide trade isn't something that only big companies can do. Thanks to places like ebay, the common man in Alaska can do small business with joe schmoe in Mongolia. Now the places that were just trying to keep the gaming industry alive in their country (and make a pitiful amount of money doing it) are spilling over everywhere to places that don't need it.


Seriously, look at EA, talk about causing piracy to sky rocket. They put a system on their games that pretty much drives people to piracy. Who in their right mind would choose the latter in this scenario


"Why hello sir, would you like to buy a game?"

"Why sure, I love games"

"Ok which plan would you like: A game that just works when you install it, ooooooooooooooooooooor, or new improved version that only lets you install 3 times and then you'll have to buy it again, oh but wait THERE'S MORE, we'll just give you an extra free key code if you call our special hotline number. Keep in mind there is a huge wait and we'll be charging you 2 dollars and 50 cents a minute!"

Aneurism causing stupidity.



Not to mention they basically dared people to pirate this game, that is just kind of asking for it. I'm sorry I just don't feel bad for them. I don't support illegal activities, but I sure as hell do not support poor business ethics. These business should be estatic that so many people want to play their game! Who cares how they got it? Turn all these people who purchased it illegally into hardcore fans by putting out a quality program that is worth the money. I wouldn't dare ever purchase an illegal copy of Starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 because they are both epic franchises that really care about their fanbase. EA does not have one leg to stand on.







Piracy is here to stay, deal with it. You made your bed, now sleep in it.
 

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Yay, this topic doesn't have "PIRACY is STEALING!!!!11 STEALING IS A CRIME!!11" all over it.

Though, if one goes through and ...calculates the possible wasted money which was prevented by self control, piracy, and various other methods. One has committed grand larceny. (Ha!)
 

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...Guh.

First off the price of the game is so high because it is taxed heavily. NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS by the devs. That's your government's fault. Not theirs. Should they be blamed for your bad legislation? NO. Get over it, and save some more money.

EA is also becoming more lenient on DRM, so that argument is blown outta the water...

And wait, what? That last paragraph makes no sense. NONE. Zilch. Nada. The devs are supposed to be happy that you're taking their games without paying for them? Not in my reality... And EA puts out tons of good stuff along with the bad.
 

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As I have said, I don't care about that piracy is illegal shit. I pirate everything except indie and valve games.
 

Sybban

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scotth266 said:
...Guh.

First off the price of the game is so high because it is taxed heavily. NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS by the devs. That's your government's fault. Not theirs. Should they be blamed for your bad legislation? NO. Get over it, and save some more money.

EA is also becoming more lenient on DRM, so that argument is blown outta the water...

And wait, what? That last paragraph makes no sense. NONE. Zilch. Nada. The devs are supposed to be happy that you're taking their games without paying for them? Not in my reality... And EA puts out tons of good stuff along with the bad.
1. Games aren't released worldwide which is planned by the gaming company themselves. If other places want it, they have to pay out of the ass.

2. 5 tries instead of 3 on installing, is not going to make me hold a parade for them.

3. I don't how to state it in a way you can understand if you didn't get it the first time.
 

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Your =/= you're.

Piracy for me? No demoes = I will want to try the game out. Unless it's Demigod - I respect the developing team so much (with the no DRM awesomeness) that I refuse to pirate it, at least till the end of June, so they can show a playable demo and make me choose - Prototype or Demigod.
 

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Its the companies task to entertain you.
You pay for the entertainment
You get entertained, they put food on the table for their families.
Its not just the multi-million dollar CEO's that profit from this, its also the lower down employees, they need a job, they need money to live.
And you want to steal things from them?
Thieving is thieving, no matter which way you look at it. From a public market, from a multimillionaire, nothing makes it right.
Sorry but I just have a strong stance on thieves...
And pirates are thieves. No two ways about it.
 

Sybban

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beholdmycape said:
Take a short trip over to Somalia, they're big fans of piracy.
...Have you ever been to somalia? I wouldn't go in there even if if the cure for cancer was being handed out by multiple naked women
 

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Edit:
Editted to comply with the OP.
Also because I am far too lazy to explain how piracy works outside of torrent sites, which is all anyone here appears to have encountered.
 

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I don't pirate games. Just the moving picture things with the audio and such... Im not going to flash my drive because I play live way to much.
 

scotth266

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Sybban said:
scotth266 said:
...Guh.

First off the price of the game is so high because it is taxed heavily. NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS by the devs. That's your government's fault. Not theirs. Should they be blamed for your bad legislation? NO. Get over it, and save some more money.

EA is also becoming more lenient on DRM, so that argument is blown outta the water...

And wait, what? That last paragraph makes no sense. NONE. Zilch. Nada. The devs are supposed to be happy that you're taking their games without paying for them? Not in my reality... And EA puts out tons of good stuff along with the bad.
1. Games aren't released worldwide which is planned by the gaming company themselves. If other places want it, they have to pay out of the ass.

2. 5 tries instead of 3 on installing, is not going to make me hold a parade for them.

3. I don't how to state it in a way you can understand if you didn't get it the first time.
1) Still not their fault. There is a specific process that determines the price of a good, and you got the short end of the stick. It's not their fault: that's just the price they have to have you pay to achieve a acceptable profit. If you don't like it, wait till the game drops in price. OH NOES! I CAN'T PLAY THE GAME ON RELEASE! Whine to your politicos taxing the games, which drives up the price. Not much more to be said there...

2) If you need to reinstall a game 5 times, you're doing something wrong. But the only way to get them to stop with stuff like that is to quit pirating so much.

3) Well, I gave you reasons WHY it was wrong. You could at least respond to them.
 

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Pi_Fighter said:
I understand that in Kenya, games must be ridiculously overpriced.
This is simply because there is not a large enough consumer base to make large scale retail viable.

By the same token, however, this lack of a consumer base means that piracy in an impoverished country will do very little to hurt multi-million dollar companies' profits.

What should concern you is the fact that pirates are criminals and the fact that money generated from piracy is funnelled into other criminal endeavours, and in volatile countries this could mean that the money goes towards terrorism or illegal drug manufacturing.
im not a pirate, but thats bullshit.

pirating games dosent fund terrorism.
 

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Leorex said:
Pi_Fighter said:
I understand that in Kenya, games must be ridiculously overpriced.
This is simply because there is not a large enough consumer base to make large scale retail viable.

By the same token, however, this lack of a consumer base means that piracy in an impoverished country will do very little to hurt multi-million dollar companies' profits.

What should concern you is the fact that pirates are criminals and the fact that money generated from piracy is funnelled into other criminal endeavours, and in volatile countries this could mean that the money goes towards terrorism or illegal drug manufacturing.
im not a pirate, but thats bullshit.

pirating games dosent fund terrorism.
Based on what?
Your in depth understanding of crime resulting from your degree in criminology and experience gained from years living in war torn areas?
 

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Pi_Fighter said:
I understand that in Kenya, games must be ridiculously overpriced.
This is simply because there is not a large enough consumer base to make large scale retail viable.

By the same token, however, this lack of a consumer base means that piracy in an impoverished country will do very little to hurt multi-million dollar companies' profits.

What should concern you is the fact that pirates are criminals and the fact that money generated from piracy is funnelled into other criminal endeavours, and in volatile countries this could mean that the money goes towards terrorism or illegal drug manufacturing.
You seem to be greatly mistaken about software piracy works. How can you possibly fund terrorism from an activity that DOESN'T INVOLVE MONEY?
 

Sybban

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scotth266 said:
Sybban said:
scotth266 said:
...Guh.

First off the price of the game is so high because it is taxed heavily. NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS by the devs. That's your government's fault. Not theirs. Should they be blamed for your bad legislation? NO. Get over it, and save some more money.

EA is also becoming more lenient on DRM, so that argument is blown outta the water...

And wait, what? That last paragraph makes no sense. NONE. Zilch. Nada. The devs are supposed to be happy that you're taking their games without paying for them? Not in my reality... And EA puts out tons of good stuff along with the bad.
1. Games aren't released worldwide which is planned by the gaming company themselves. If other places want it, they have to pay out of the ass.

2. 5 tries instead of 3 on installing, is not going to make me hold a parade for them.

3. I don't how to state it in a way you can understand if you didn't get it the first time.
1) Still not their fault. There is a specific process that determines the price of a good, and you got the short end of the stick. It's not their fault: that's just the price they have to have you pay to achieve a acceptable profit. If you don't like it, wait till the game drops in price. OH NOES! I CAN'T PLAY THE GAME ON RELEASE! Whine to your politicos taxing the games, which drives up the price. Not much more to be said there...

2) If you need to reinstall a game 5 times, you're doing something wrong. But the only way to get them to stop with stuff like that is to quit pirating so much.

3) Well, I gave you reasons WHY it was wrong. You could at least respond to them.

My last comment may have been a bit provoking.

I gave an example of a franchise that is highly respected and why I personally wouldn't pirate it.


I have long standing hatred for EA that dates back to playing Ultima in my high school years.

They make pathetic attempts to stop piracy and are made to look foolish after it fails miserably. Instead of complaining and coming up with a program that doesn't work and hurts their sales, they need a new tactic.
 

Sybban

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Pi_Fighter said:
I understand that in Kenya, games must be ridiculously overpriced.
This is simply because there is not a large enough consumer base to make large scale retail viable.

By the same token, however, this lack of a consumer base means that piracy in an impoverished country will do very little to hurt multi-million dollar companies' profits.

What should concern you is the fact that pirates are criminals and the fact that money generated from piracy is funnelled into other criminal endeavours, and in volatile countries this could mean that the money goes towards terrorism or illegal drug manufacturing.
Negative. The majority of piracy is produced in impovershed countries because there is no laws to regulate this. Pirates, for example in the US, will eventually be caught and sued for millions. If they put it on a torrent site, that site is gonna get sued. The only long term suppliers are those we can't get to.


*Sorry for the double post, but I didn't want to take up extra room with the previous comment and pile it into one big unintelligible post -Also if you have a problem with me posting twice look at my join date and then look at my post count. If you for example joined in the last 2 months and have posted 2000 times, you're point will just come off as ironic. I'm just saying this before hand based on past experiences*