Plight of the upper middle class.

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Aug 28, 2010
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Hello everyone.

What are some of the problems that come out of affluence? What about the dependents of wealthy parents?

I've had lots of close experiences with people in the upper middle class and have developed a short list of why it can be difficult to derive insights into the economically higher strata from the outside looking in. The knowledge of privileged is itself a privileged thing.

1) Because of the scarcity of resources, there are not nearly as many affluent people as there are non affluent people.

2) With a stronger sense of propriety in upper and upper middle classes, it can be especially difficult to have a candid discussion about the problems the drive to have money or an infusion of funding can create in life.

3) Since homelessness is perceived as a problem as opposed to indulgence, there are many more studies on the cause and effects of the homelessness compared to the latter.

4) On a similar vein as #3, we have this idea that research needs funding and funding is not provided without a potential return on investment. That is to say, if the results of research on the privileged does not match the expectations of that researcher's benefactors, it will probably be modified or remain unpublished.

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Seeing as how we all come from different walks of life, i'd like to ask for your insights into this idea that maybe privilege without balance can cause just as many problems as it can remedy.

Below are a few personal anecdotes from those few who have opened their lives up to me enough to appreciate the opportunity costs of their station in life. The information below is here to provide a little more background into my reasoning for creating this thread. All of my personal data set is male. Feel free to tl;dr.


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1) Older black male whose parents cared enough about him to send him to a private school where he experienced a similar situation to the stereotypical mulatto. Alienation from both his less fortunate black peers and from the elitist children at the school he attended. This is an issue of race, but it was compounded by an infusion of money. He now seems fairly well adjusted but has tremendous sympathy for people (with money) for reasons I cannot comprehend and seem vaguely self-serving. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for someone who is able to spend money to express via apperance exactly how dissatisfied with life they are.

2) Younger white male, extremely delusional due to being cloistered for the majority of his life. When I first met him, he thought it would be cute to put on his fencing costume and jump on the bed screaming something about nighing gales. I played along but left wondering if this kid was truly alright in the head. I find out later from his significant other that he feels that if he behaves randomly, us poor people will like him better. Effectively what he was doing was emulating what he thought might be in tune with my value system. Randomness. He has moved far away to live in high society (no support system), soon his funding will deplete.

3) Young white male who is alienated at school because he is an "emo-******", it isn't because he has problems or because he is passionate, it is because the less materialistically fortunate students see that he is spending his parents money on trendy dark cloths, shitty music, chains, exotic hair cuts, dyes, piercings, etc. All this buildup of the superficial layer and no substance. His only real problem he has is that he has no real problems. At least, his problems are perceived as trivial by his peers. This makes him an easy target.
 

Altorin

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they have money, any plights that they have can be bought out of.

the "plight" of the upper middle class is a joke.

and your final comment sort of sounds communist. Not that I personally have a problem with that, but as far as economic structures, I think it's much more important for a person to be able to earn a dollar, and spend that dollar however he wants and own that dollar. Having a dollar given to you by the government and then have you work for it or go to jail is not the right system.
 

Ironic Pirate

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I don't think you're really talking about upper middle class, as that seems to be the sweet spot. Enough money to live well but not enough to get delusions.


The problem is when people get very wealthy vary quickly, because they aren't used to it, they can't picture exactly how far a million goes. Yes, it's a lot, but it runs out fast when you start installing pools throughout your house...
 

Sonofadiddly

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Rich people have plenty of problems. Even watched one of those awful TV shows about the rich assholes who go around demonstrating how absolutely insane they are? Obviously money can't buy sanity.

You bring up an interesting point, OP. There aren't many studies about the harmful effects of overindulgence. There's a lot of tired platitudes about spoiling children, but how many studies show the effects of such treatment? Does it lead to narcissism or a general lack of empathy? Such problems are at least equally detrimental to society. Do the poor have more problems or just different problems? I think there are definitely advantages to learning humbleness and how to take care of yourself without a lot of money.
 

Dags90

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First we would have to set up a barrier for the "upper-middle class" to sharply distinguish them from other classes (like mages). In the U.S., household yearly income in the range of $100,000-300,000 generally denotes the "upper middle class". An important feature of the upper middle class as opposed to the plain upper class is a lack of significant wealth. That is to say most of their money is from labor, not investments or inheritance.

Speaking from experience as a dependent of someone in the upper-middle class, living in an upper-middle class municipality, there are problems. Many upper-middle class people move to affluent suburbs with high living costs in search of better schooling and safe neighborhoods. In order to keep up with the Joneses, many people spend outside their means (Note the large range of income). I went to school with kids who got brand new luxury cars for their 17th birthday. Some of them are leases or are bought on loans, although some of them legitimately have parents that are loaded and are upper class.

One thing I've started to realize and accept is that it's highly unlikely I will earn as much as my parents, and will probably have to adapt to a lower standard of living when I'm fully independent.

Another thing people should realize is that the social experiences people face are largely due to their relative social status, not their absolute social status (though at the extremes these are the same thing anyway). Someone whose parents make $100,000 annually who goes to school with people who's parents make $500,000 will feel poor because they are relatively poor.
 
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Ironic Pirate said:
I don't think you're really talking about upper middle class, as that seems to be the sweet spot. Enough money to live well but not enough to get delusions.


The problem is when people get very wealthy vary quickly, because they aren't used to it, they can't picture exactly how far a million goes. Yes, it's a lot, but it runs out fast when you start installing pools throughout your house...
Not in my estimation. I only know one official upper class member of society -- a trauma surgeon. He lives well below his means and only has an interest in keeping his mom happy. He's a cool guy, but I never got to know him on a very personal level.

Those upper middle class in my experience usually grow up with one of a series of serious obstacles, the most common are alienation by peers, intense pressure from parents, cloistering or sheltered existence, and easy access to damaging substances.

Yes, there are several articles available on the curse of the lottery, that is the people who have won the lottery tend to be in trouble in a short amount of time because they weren't accustomed to managing that large a figure.