Poll: A Thread about Killing and Torture

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[sub]sure hope the forum can handle a thread like this[/sub]

Is death an appropriate punishment for some things?
Would you dish out the punishment yourself if given the chance?

Don't be surprised if they have two different answers. Everyone has the capacity to kill (in my opinion) but of course such a skill is not needed anymore and I'm not complaining. Think about post-WW2, with the Holocaust. People were ordered to kill and more or less did so without complaint. Why? There could be lots of reasons.

So called "angels of death" during that time (doctors who did the opposite of what they should be doing) were known for torturing and killing people as a "profession". Whether they did this on orders or out of their own interest is what's interesting, my own belief is that they had an interest in it, and really they would operate on anyone not just the Jewish.

But the soldiers are a different story, sure people can enjoy being a soldier but they're ordered around a lot more, would you say every soldier had personal gain from doing what they did? Most common reason I would guess is perhaps its a form of delusion to assume that what they are doing is not right or wrong, just "orders".

I'm not very imaginative, all my examples will involve Nazis in some way. Do you believe in an eye for an eye or do you think that torturing/killing people is just making one more man endure agony?

Hypothetical Scenario: a soldier responsible for dumping the chemical (the name escapes me) into the people-filled chamber killing probably hundreds of thousands, is in your torture room.

My opinion is that at first it will feel good "avenging" the dead, and then after a while it will just be another person enduring agony. I feel that if they understand why they are being tortured and see the error of their ways, infinitely more progress was made then just killing him. Everyone is influenced throughout their lives and the weak willed could be more susceptible to corruption, who's to say we can't undo the change. Whether or not I'd enjoy causing pain without fear of repercussion is something I'm not going to tell you guys.

 

[jawg_t-j]

kill them when they can be used as perfectly good workers to pay for there crimes and before people call me a slave driver or somthing i mean just get the criminals to do manuel labour not just people of different races or just because someone says. and also if there is some humanity left in they might feel comforted by the fact that there work might be helping to save future genrations and such. i dont know why but i feel uneasy about talking about stuff like this so slavery and holcausts bad repentance throgh community survice good.

 

[Zirat]

Ooh boy, this will be a somewhat controversial one.

But yes, I believe in an Eye for an Eye in murders with no alterior motives but anger or greed, rape and child molesting, and other MAJOR crimes should be punished with a painful death. I know that people will throw the 'Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind' but it doesnt, it is just a saying that gets under my skin.

Im very sorry if this comes off as dark, or emo, gothic even but it is just my opinion beause there are so many people who deseve this but just get off with a light sentence (*ahem* CHARLES MANSON is one off the top of my head)

 

[IrishBerserker]

Is death an appropriate punishment for some things?

Yes, death/exacution is an appropriate punishment for a number of horrible crimes.

Would you dish out the punishment yourself if given the chance?

Yes, I would, either in self defence, resonal revenge/retribution. As for punishment for a crime, it depends on the person and the crime.

...would you say every soldier had personal gain from doing what they did?

No, not every soldier. Many of the Wehrmacht were just normal german soldiers, ignorant of the true purpose of the camps. Hell most of them weren't even Nazis.

The Schutzstaffel(SS) on the other hand knew what was happening in the camps and benifited from it.

Do you believe in an eye for an eye or do you think that torturing/killing people is just making one more man endure agony?

I personally belive both, but which one is entirely dependent of the situation and the crimes of the individual.

Hypothetical Scenario: a soldier responsible for dumping the chemical (the name escapes me) into the people-filled chamber killing probably hundreds of thousands, is in your torture room.

The chemical was called "Sarin gas"

I feel that if they understand why they are being tortured and see the error of their ways, infinitely more progress was made then just killing him.

A person that is being tortured will almost always say exactly what you(the Torturer) wants to hear, even if it isn't true. therfore very little of what they say is to be believed.

 

[vento 231]

There are too many people in this world anyway, in self defence, I would not hesitat to kill them, for revenge, yes if they harmed someone I loved (including my dog).
Edit: all deaths would be quick, not always painless, but I'll do what I can because I am against people suffering (but not their death.)

 

[Deleted]

You should go and watch some Disney movies. Maybe bake some cookies and have some warm milk too.

Tomorrow, phone a therapist and work out that seed of darkness that lives inside you.

Why don't you share your views? You can't just say I'm a psycho and imply that you're view is better.

 

[SimuLord]

I picked the sociopath option. I'm a sick fuck when someone pisses me off.

 

[Thedayrecker]

I say for self-defense, but if I could subdue my attacker without killing them, I'd either let them go (assuming it wasn't an unprovoked attack, and they aren't wanted for murder), or hold them until I could turn them over to the propper athorities.

 

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A person that is being tortured will almost always say exactly what you(the Torturer) wants to hear, even if it isn't true. therfore very little of what they say is to be believed.

You're right about that. But my intent is clear, I'm just saying what I want to achieve, not what will happen.

 

[VicunaBlue]

It is my opinion that any death is wrong. I am however in support of federal prisons being used to reduce dependency on china for manufacturing...

Torture seems rather useless. If someone is going to give in, they will say what YOU want to hear, which is not always the truth.

 

[gallaetha_matt]

Personally I don't understand death as a method of revenge. Somebody kills your family so you kill them, and then what? It doesn't actually solve very much and I can't imagine that you'd feel very good afterwards, at the end of the day you've just killed somebody else's father, or mother, or brother, or sister, or husband, or wife - what's stopping them from coming after you?

And is death really so bad? What if there is an afterlife for everybody? Wouldn't you be doing your potential victim a favour, then? If you believe in a hell then all you're doing is sending your victim to hell just so you can go there yourself later on.

What if there is no afterlife? Then there's nothing to be be afraid of, is there? The person is dead - they won't even know they've been punished and you'd still feel like shit.

I can understand death as a punishment for a serial killer, somebody really dangerous who is likely to kill again. Maybe killing them is a faster way of getting them out of society. But on saying that, you need to be absolutely sure that you have the right person before you kill them - and you definately shouldn't be calling for the death penalty on every murder in this instance.

So corporal punishment then? Torture and imprisonent? This takes a special kind of person to indulge in this. If you're willing to torture someone for killing your family then you're probably worse than they are. Then if you don't kill them, they'll kill you later. Torture might piss your victim off, which is understandable actually.

Is revenge just a flawed concept then? Brute revenge like murder, torture and beatings are, I think. You're just going to be creating deeper problems for yourself.

I'm a believer in cold blooded Machievelian schemes for revenge. That or robbing all their stuff on the sly - that way you get to destroy your enemy financially, and you get to buy some cool stuff to commemorate your vengeance. All good so long as they don't realise that you've stolen from them.

So no - torture and killing are not cool. But then I think that's something of a no-brainer.

 

[Riccan]

Murder is not justice. It makes you out to be a sociopath who can not bear the thought of not inflicting violence on someone who has wronged them. If a man murders another man, how would murdering the murderer change anything? If anything it makes you exactly like them. Torture to me depends on what you mean. Physical torture is the similar to the above statements about murder. Psychological torture would depend on how it is done. "Guilt Trips" are perfectly acceptable for helping others change if done properly.

Regardless, any action done for revenge is selfish and tainted by your emotions.

 

[JWW]

I'm not sure if I could bring myself to kill anyone. I'm fine with it morally for self-defense, and sometimes justice needs to be brought onto people, but I couldn't say if I could bring myself to take the life of another human being.

 

[Sovvolf]

I guess if it was something extreme but even then I don't know. I don't think I'd have it in me to kill someone. Maybe if my family was involved I'd tip over that scale of sanity and have it in me but at the moment... I don't think I could.

Maybe I could accidentally kill some one in self defence but it sure as hell wouldn't be some thing I'd be aiming to do. I'd personally just like to disarm and disable the attacker rather than putting him in the grave.

Life is precious and it's some thing that I wouldn't want to take away from anyone. Again if a family member or a love one was involved I think I'd take a life but I'm sure from the mixture of the strong emotions from witnessing or hearing about a loved one in trouble or dead would probably come into play with that. I doubt I'd be thinking straight and at that point I think I'd be psychopathic.

 

[Deleted]

You should go and watch some Disney movies. Maybe bake some cookies and have some warm milk too.

Tomorrow, phone a therapist and work out that seed of darkness that lives inside you.

Why don't you share your views? You can't just say I'm a psycho and imply that you're view is better.

"Psycho" is your word of choosing.

These are your words of choosing also:
"Whether or not I'd enjoy causing pain without fear of repercussion is something I'm not going to tell you guys."


I still stick by my original post.

I was trying to end the post with a subtle joke.

 

[Blue_vision]

Death is never justified in my opinion. If someone was trying to kill me, I'd definitely shoot back. But I'd never call it justified. Maybe the best course of action for the time, but not justified.

So, definitely the "there's no need for more suffering" option. The greatest punishment I'd ever dish out would be to force someone into a broken and sorry mass of flesh, destroyed by their own wrongdoings.