Poll: Convince me to keep watching Arrow.

[EOTD]

I know it's rolling on season 4 at the moment, but I have only now decided to watch Arrow. Wanting to make sure I didn't spoil the show for myself, I just had a quick glance on how it's viewed:

IMDB. 8.1
TV.com. 8.8
Rotten Tomatoes. 87%

DAMN! I seem to be missing out on something good here. So I have just finished watching the pilot and after the credits finished, all I can say is, well, it wasn't really that good. A 4/10, if I was to score it. I looked up the reviews for the pilot and was taken aback to how well nearly everyone praised like the second coming. I'm not saying I hated it, it just seemed to show low quality in many areas that contradict the high score (to me anyway).

As I said at the start, the show is now on it's fourth season now, so it must be doing something right. Does it get better, if so, how long before it gets there?

 

[DefunctTheory]

It would probably help if you told us what you didn't like. You may simply not like what the show is at its core.

 

[DoPo]

I watched the first two or three episodes. I was not really impressed - it's pretty much...erm, Batman. Who has a bow. I wasn't really up to watching a guy who growls while being awesome at everything and dark and brooding, so I didn't watch further. It didn't help that the show was moving really slow.

People who had seen it, really lamented the fact that it wasn't quite good at the beginning. I've been told things improve as the series go further and it takes some time for the episodes to find a good pace. I couldn't really be bothered with waiting for that but if you could - it should become better after you've watched it for a while. Again, so I'm told.

 

[springheeljack]

Honestly what does your backlog look like and much time do you have to watch TV? If you have the time and you like being caught up on all the trends then watch it. Or at least watch a few more episodes before deciding.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

The Flash is on the other channel.

Same channel actually. Both are on the CW.

OT: Watch Flash instead, it's better and has a more likeable cast.

 

[EOTD]

It would probably help if you told us what you didn't like. You may simply not like what the show is at its core.

I'll do my best.

I understand that as a pilot, it has to pull you in and give you a nice taste of what's ahead. I felt as if I needed to ask others if I should keep watching. I could say I was just being nitpicky, but I think it's more then that. The setting up of the characters felt too rushed, with most of the dialogue being pure exposition. I'm a big fan of the DC animated movies (cannot wait for "The Killing Joke") and I understand that every movie has to be seen as it own (give or take the odd sequel). With that, exposition is part of the game. Sometimes you don't have time to dedicate to characters, Superman and Batman need no introduction, but maybe (insert any other DC superhero) is not that well know to new audiences. Never hurts to get a little info dump and it never bothered me. Here, it came of as something said just to label the characters.
It also felt poorly executed. Things like when Queen snuck out the car or how no one noticed the arrow with the flashing light, this and other things bugged me.

It was like it wanted to be Batman.

I know that sometimes shows need a little bit of time to get a good flow going. I just don't want a "It get's good after 20 hours" situation. it it worth it to skip a few episodes and just read the cliff notes?

 

[EOTD]

I watched the first two or three episodes. I was not really impressed - it's pretty much...erm, Batman. Who has a bow. I wasn't really up to watching a guy who growls while being awesome at everything and dark and brooding, so I didn't watch further. It didn't help that the show was moving really slow.

The "Batman" vibe was quite strong.

 

[McMarbles]

It's just getting good again.

 

[omega 616]

I watched the first two or three episodes. I was not really impressed - it's pretty much...erm, Batman. Who has a bow. I wasn't really up to watching a guy who growls while being awesome at everything and dark and brooding, so I didn't watch further. It didn't help that the show was moving really slow.

People who had seen it, really lamented the fact that it wasn't quite good at the beginning. I've been told things improve as the series go further and it takes some time for the episodes to find a good pace. I couldn't really be bothered with waiting for that but if you could - it should become better after you've watched it for a while. Again, so I'm told.

I don't understand, people fawn over Batman like he is jesus to Christians, given him a green make over and a functional weapon and all of a sudden he isn't that great?

Anyway, I enjoyed the series (despite not like batman) and if you watch it and didn't like it, don't watch it? I don't know why you feel you need us to big it up for you, so you will watch it.

Everybody goes cray cray for GOT and I think it's crap, so I don't watch it. I don't ask people to get me psyched for it.

 

[DoPo]

I don't understand, people fawn over Batman like he is jesus to Christians, given him a green make over and a functional weapon and all of a sudden he isn't that great?

Sure, people may like Batman, however, I don't. I don't hate him either but I just find him boring.

 

[DefunctTheory]

The setting up of the characters felt too rushed, with most of the dialogue being pure exposition.

This changes. They do a pretty decent job of fleshing the pilot cast out over the show, and new characters are usually added in slow enough to make sense of them.

It also felt poorly executed. Things like when Queen snuck out the car or how no one noticed the arrow with the flashing light, this and other things bugged me.

This, too, gets better. Things get a whole lot less bizarre as the season goes on.

It was like it wanted to be Batman.

This version of Arrow is, in fact, Batman. So, you should expect that as you go on, for better or worse.

I know that sometimes shows need a little bit of time to get a good flow going. I just don't want a "It get's good after 20 hours" situation. it it worth it to skip a few episodes and just read the cliff notes?

If your into the kind of show Arrow is (Batman) then its worth watching the whole thing. If you don't want to watch Bow and Arrow Batman, then just walk away at this point and go watch Flash (Which, in my opinion, is a better show anyway).

The TL;DR version is that Arrow=Batman, since Gotham is about Commissioner Gordon but they still need Batman on TV. The execution gets better, the dialogue gets better (Oliver Queen always seems a bit off, but it becomes more apparent that its because they're rolling with the 'Bruce Wayne is Batman's mask, not the other way around' thing), and the action gets better (Currently on TV, I think only Blacklist does action better, but that's because they quite unabashedly give the advantage to the people who have the initiative in pretty much every fight, rather then take the 'He's a bad ass, so he's always on top' approach).

Personally, the thing that bothers me most about Arrow is that the island flash backs are about 20% better then the rest of the show, so I want them to make an Island only season. But that's just me I guess.

 

[EOTD]

SNIP

Now it makes sense, thank you.

Why not make a live action Batman tv show again, you know, instead to morphing an existing hero to be like him.

 

[DefunctTheory]

SNIP

Now it makes sense, thank you.

Why not make a live action Batman tv show again, you know, instead to morphing an existing hero to be like him.

While DC has made it clear that the DC Movie-verse and the TV-verse are two separate things, they still are trying to make sure they don't step on each others toes too much. So Supergirl replaces Superman, Arrow replaces Batman, and the Flash never gets a chance to be in the Movie-verse Justice league, which is a crying shame if you ask me.

 

[Hagi]

It could've been a good show. If it wasn't for the main character who's basically a complete marty sue with additional angst thrown in.

The side characters are pretty awesome. The overall plot isn't too bad.

I just can't stand the main character.

 

[McMarbles]

SNIP

Now it makes sense, thank you.

Why not make a live action Batman tv show again, you know, instead to morphing an existing hero to be like him.

While DC has made it clear that the DC Movie-verse and the TV-verse are two separate things, they still are trying to make sure they don't step on each others toes too much. So Supergirl replaces Superman, Arrow replaces Batman, and the Flash never gets a chance to be in the Movie-verse Justice league, which is a crying shame if you ask me.

Man, Ezra Miller's gonna be disappointed.

 

[McMarbles]

Don't know about Arrow, but Flash is fucking terrible, Flash is a poor man's spider man, every decent revelations is ruined pre emptively and dear god the main heroine is god aweful.

Can't hear you over GIANT LAND SHARK.

Flash is the most unashamedly comic booky show ever and I love it.

 

[DefunctTheory]

SNIP

Now it makes sense, thank you.

Why not make a live action Batman tv show again, you know, instead to morphing an existing hero to be like him.

While DC has made it clear that the DC Movie-verse and the TV-verse are two separate things, they still are trying to make sure they don't step on each others toes too much. So Supergirl replaces Superman, Arrow replaces Batman, and the Flash never gets a chance to be in the Movie-verse Justice league, which is a crying shame if you ask me.

Man, Ezra Miller's gonna be disappointed.

Context would have been nice.

For people, like me, who obviously aren't up to date on this, and can't figure out what the hell this means, there is going to be a Flash movie.

While I can only guess this was supposed to be some sort of insult, I'm ecstatic. Though I don't know anything about Mr. Miller, and his Wikipedia page isn't much of a help. Interesting their actually going with a Flash voice actor though. Judging on his appearance, their going with Barry Allen, which is doubly surprising.

EDIT: Just saw he's in the credits for Dawn of Justice. Jesus Christ, how many super heroes can they jam into that thing?

EDIT: I don't know why I did or said that. I'm gonna go lay down.